True Grit: John Wayne vs Jeff Bridges (a Watch with History episode)

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welcome to Talk With History.

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I'm your host Scott here with my wife and historian, Jen.

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Hello.

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Today's podcast is the first in a brand new series we are

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calling Watch with History.

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The Watch with history series will focus on your favorite historical

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films where Jen and I will review the Hollywood historic classics

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we all know and love, while also discussing the history behind these.

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Films along with some interesting facts.

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We hope you enjoy watch with history.

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3, 2, 1.

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Here we go.

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Now Jen, the first watch with History episode is leading off with

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the man himself, one of your favorites.

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Yes.

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And Mr.

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John Wayne and one of one of his more popular movies.

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Yes, and it is.

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It is True Grit.

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So what we are actually doing today, we're covering today, is the 1969.

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I'm calling it the Old True Grit versus the 2010.

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New true grit.

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So there's two, it was made twice.

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Yes.

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And we'll get into the details and everything else surrounding it.

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But let's start off with the 1969 True Grit.

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Okay.

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Says Life Magazine true grit is good enough for me.

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It's good enough for you.

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And if it isn't good enough for some movie company, then the free enterprise

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system is really going to help.

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Hold on God.

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They tell me you're a man with true grit.

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What do you want?

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Speak up.

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Roy Wrinkle the paper.

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It's pretty loose because your makings are too dry.

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I'm looking for Tom Cheney.

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Who is he?

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He's the man that shot and killed my father.

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Frank Ross says The New York Times as touching as it is, irreverently amusing.

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Marshall Luster.

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Cogburn and I are going after the murderer.

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Tom Cheney.

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How did you light on that greasy vaon?

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They say he has grit.

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He's a notorious thumper.

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He's not a man I would care to share a bed with, nor would I.

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And now Paramount Pictures presents the Hal Wallace production True Grit,

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starring John Wayne as Rooster Cockburn, the most colorful

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character he's ever played.

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If I smelled as bad as you, I wouldn't live near people.

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Kim Derby as Matt Ross.

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Hey here.

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Bye.

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God.

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C reminds me of me, Glenn Campbell, in his first big screen roll A

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little earlier I gaz some thought to stealing a kiss from you.

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Although you are very young and you're unattractive to boot, but

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now I'm of a mind to give you five or six good licks with my belt.

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True Grit was originally a book that was written by Charles Portis in 1968

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with the movie adaptation with John Wayne being released just a year later in 1969.

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The book is known for its humorous and colorful characters, as well

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as its depiction of the rugged and violent American West.

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Now, the original True Grit released in 1969 was directed by Henry Hathaway

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and it Star John Wayne, Kim Darby, Glenn Campbell, who will talk a

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little bit about and actually features featured a very young Dennis Hopper.

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The film was based on the novel and tells a story of a young girl, Maddie Ross.

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Seeking revenge for her father's murder.

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With the help of the gruff US Marshall Rooster Cogburn along the way, they are

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joined by a Texas Ranger named LeBeouf.

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Who's also hunting the same man for a different crime Now, the original True

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Grit was a box off of success earning just over 31 million domestically

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in its initial release, which was a significant amount of money back in

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19 60, 69, adjusted for inflation.

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That would be the equivalent of about 230 million in 2023.

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Wow.

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That's a good.

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And it actually only cost about 3 million to make back then.

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Yeah, you can see that so they did pre it did pretty well.

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Now this classic Western was nominated for four Academy Awards, including Best

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Picture, best Actor for John Wayne.

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Best supporting Actor for Dennis Hopper.

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And best music score.

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John Wayne won the Oscar for best actor for his role as Rooster Cogburn, which

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was his first and only Academy Award win.

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Inside is one of the following names, all of whom have been nominated

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for the best performance by an actor.

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Peter O'Toole in Goodbye, Mr.

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Chips.

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Dustin Hoffman in Midnight Cowboy, John Hoyt in Midnight Cowboy, Richard

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Burton in Anne of the Thousand Days and John Wayne in True Grit.

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I'm not gonna tell you the winner is.

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John Wayne.

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Wow.

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I've known that I'd have put that patch on 35 years earlier.

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So Jen, can you, before you tell us what you think of this movie, cuz

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we can tell that you already enjoy it just by the glow coming off of you.

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Can you give us a little bit of the, the historical setting

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of when this movie was set?

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Sure.

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When they talk.

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About her and her father in the West.

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And then when Cogburn meets the buff for the first time, they ask

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of what did you do in the war?

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Yeah.

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Where were you in the war?

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That's a very significant thing at that time in the 1880s to be asking

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people, cuz everyone fought in the Civil War, and of course he's from Texas,

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so of course he's asking what side he is on Texas as a Confederate state.

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Yeah.

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But parts of Texas fought for the North, so he's asking, he wants

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to just know where his allegiance lies, and they both talk about.

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Who they fought for.

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Yeah.

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More than what their leaders.

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It comes up a couple times.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So we're in the 20 years after the Civil War when the West is really being settled.

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It's

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The late 1870s, early 1880s.

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Yes.

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1880s, right around that time.

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And

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it's taking place, Fort Smith, Arkansas.

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Yep.

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So this is, Western expansion.

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Yeah.

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Then Oklahoma, I think

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we need, so they're gonna venture into Oklahoma, which is very much

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territories, American Indian territory.

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And that is why it's so significant that Rooster Cogburn is a Marshall Yeah.

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A US Marshall and La Beef is a Ranger.

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So the law is very much getting useful at this time, the kind

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of writing the law at this time.

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How do you govern a lawless wilderness

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area?

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Yeah.

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In the, it seems like at this time in the more populated areas that kind of.

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For lack of a better word, that civil contract between the people and the

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law and the government is solidifying.

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Yes.

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Sworn this morning, you're still sworn take the stand.

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Defense will cross examine.

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Mr.

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Cogburn, you testified for the prosecution this morning.

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Now, in order to refresh our memories, Allow me to summarize what you said.

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Now, according to your story, CC Wharton grabbed up a shotgun and killed

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Marshall Padlet, and then he turned the gun on you, you say, and you shot him.

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Then you say the father swung his axe and you shot him too.

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The defendant here tried to run, you say, and you also shot him, just winged

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him, or he wouldn't be here to pay up the old man and CC hit the ground dead.

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How long have you been a Deputy Marshall, Mr.

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Cogburn?

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Four years.

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Come March.

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How many men have you shot in that time?

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The prosecution objects overruled.

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How many men have you shot since you became a marshal?

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Mr.

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Cogburn?

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I never shot nobody.

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I didn't have to.

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That was not the question.

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How many, uh, Shot or killed.

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Oh, let's restricted to killed.

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So we may have a manageable figure.

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Well, 12 to 15.

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Stopping men in flight and defending myself.

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12 to 15.

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So many that you cannot keep a specific count.

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But there is still these just like wild west areas, outlaws.

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And that's where Rooster Cogburn and Maddie Ross.

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She picks him because he, I think she, I'm pretty sure she picks

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him and I don't think she's not.

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She doesn't really hide it because he's more likely To shoot the guy.

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Yes.

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To kill the guy that she's after.

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Yeah.

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And go after the person.

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So Maddie, if you realize She's very dictated.

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Yeah, she's very much following rule of law lawyer.

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Yeah.

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She brings up her in the original, the 1969 version.

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She brings up the lawyer a lot

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I will not be pushed about when I'm in the right.

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I'll take it up with my attorney now.

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I will take it up with mine, lawyer Dagget and he will make money.

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And I will make money and your lawyer will make money and you, Mr.

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licensed auctioneer You will foot the bill.

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You are damn nuisance Lawyer.

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Dagget lawyer Dagget, who is this famous pleader, whose name I was

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happily ignorant of 10 minutes ago?

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In the West.

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Yes.

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We're trying to adhere to a territory.

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We're trying to adhere to a federal system where the judge has a jury and we bring

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people in, but it's still very loose.

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Yeah.

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People are getting killed and interfacing.

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That's what Rooster Cogburn is known for, is he doesn't really bring people

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in as much as he just kills them.

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That's, so that's

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the court case.

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That's the court case.

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So that's the court case and one of the things.

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And we'll just dive into kind of how we felt and what we thought, through

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the movie for the 1969 version.

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But John Wayne played much more of a character to me Yes.

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In this he played to me, and I've been watching a bunch of John Wayne movies

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recently, so that's a future watch with this history episode coming up.

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But he played, more, a little bit more comedic role.

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You are a lot of trouble.

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Wait till I finish this hand.

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You can never tell what's in the Chinaman's mind.

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That's the way he best yet.

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Cards

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I go.

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Mr.

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Rat, I have a writ here, says to stop eating Chan's corn meal fourth with

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now it's a rat writ rit for a rat, and this is lawful service of same.

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See, doesn't pay any attention to me

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outside is place for shooting.

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I'm serving some papers.

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But he played that out.

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He was a little bit more of an out.

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Outward expressive character.

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Yes.

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This kind of drunk, gruff.

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Yes.

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Western, like probably an outlaw in some states, and then now he's a US Marshall.

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So it's very much like you're very much skirting the letter of the law.

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Yeah.

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And that's why Rooster Cogburn knows what she's talking about with the

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lawyer and stuff, but he's also laughing at her like, I, that's great.

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That's not gonna work here.

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Did you think that someone's gonna.

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Care about your lawyer, but that's not gonna work here.

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And you're also dealing with a lot of other stereotypes.

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He lives with an Asian man, Yep.

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Which, the Asian people had come over to help dig the railroad Yep.

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And start the railroad.

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So it's very much these stereotypes

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that he's, and he I loved the cat.

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Yeah.

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He called the cat.

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Like the general the general.

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So he's sleeping in like the back of this, this China man's shop.

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Yeah.

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That's where he lives, that's where he lives, in this.

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In this town and he plays cards and drinks with the China man.

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And then he calls the cat the general, and that's just what he does.

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He goes after bad guys and drinks.

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Then one of the first things she does when she gets to Fort

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Smith, which is like the city close to her, is as a hanging.

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Yeah.

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As a public hanging.

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So that was interesting to me and.

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When I watched the 69 version, my first thought was like, oh my gosh,

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was that what it was really like?

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Was did, so did people, if you haven't seen the 1969 version in quite some

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time, They, she comes into town and she's trying to see the coroner and

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they're like coroner's out at the hanging because he's expecting three more bodies.

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And these bodies that are about to be hung.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
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And the whole town's out there, the whole town.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:06</time>
People had come into town for this hanging people, selling kids.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:09</time>
Kids were penis playing kids.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:10</time>
People were selling peanuts.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:11</time>
They were singing hymns.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:13</time>
So is that relatively accurate at the time?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:15</time>
That's fairly really accurate.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:16</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:16</time>
That cause that's entertainment That surprised me and I don't know, it's

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:20</time>
just because I've never really watched movies like this, but that was one of the

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:23</time>
things I remember jotting that down was like, is that what it was really like?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:27</time>
So

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:27</time>
I thought that was very, if it was public, and you still are getting public

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:31</time>
hangings in the 1880s until prisons.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:34</time>
Are really made.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:36</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:36</time>
And when executions will happen inside a prison it will be public until.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:41</time>
That happens.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:42</time>
So you're getting in those, in these territories, in these settled

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:45</time>
territories where they're holding court.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:48</time>
And it is one of those things where you're found guilty and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:51</time>
you're walked outside and hanged.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:54</time>
It's not where you have this stay of execution and you're

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:56</time>
waiting and it's none of that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:58</time>
It's just like you're found guilty and now you have to hang.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:01</time>
It's very expedient.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:02</time>
Cause they don't have the time or the resources to hold people.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:05</time>
Yeah, there's no giant.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:06</time>
Federal prisons and all that stuff.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:07</time>
They're like, okay, you're guilty.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:09</time>
You're gonna go hang.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:09</time>
Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:10</time>
And so she sees that right away.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:12</time>
She sees Rooster, Cogburn testify.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:14</time>
He's very truthful.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:16</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:16</time>
Even in his shortcomings.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:17</time>
He's very truthful.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:18</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:18</time>
He's very colorful.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:20</time>
And he entertains her and he listens to her.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:22</time>
And and he also, I think, recognizes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:27</time>
Who the bad guy is or who he might be

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:30</time>
running with, who might be running with it's like

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:32</time>
something Pepper, Ned Pepper.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:33</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:33</time>
Ned Pepper.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:34</time>
So he knows, he recognizes the guy.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:35</time>
He's oh, he's probably, he probably linked up, or I think she tells him,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:38</time>
yeah, that she heard that he linked up with Ned Pepper and he is oh, Ned Pepper.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:41</time>
I know that guy.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:42</time>
And then he knows

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:42</time>
he'll go to Indian territory, which he then he knows as a Marshall.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:47</time>
You're the only one who has jurisdiction Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:49</time>
Of her Indian territory.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:50</time>
So he's willing to go in there and look for him because she's paying cash.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:54</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:54</time>
Too.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:55</time>
Which they don't make that much money.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:56</time>
I think it's $2 a ahead per person.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
And I, and he's paying, I enjoyed dollars.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:00</time>
I enjoyed in the original, even though her character, I think we both agree that the

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:05</time>
twenty ten one, that the girl was a better actor, but the better actor and younger

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:09</time>
the 69 1, the dialogue I felt was actually good and a little bit more believable.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:14</time>
She was very aggressive, very, just like you could tell.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:17</time>
It used to be her father running the house.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:18</time>
And now it was her.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:19</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:19</time>
And you could absolutely see this 14 year old girl running a household.

True Grit 1969 00:16:30
They are all for sale, except those, uh, four scrubby

True Grit 1969 00:16:36
ones and, uh, who they belong to.

True Grit 1969 00:16:40
The heirs of the late Frank Ross.

True Grit 1969 00:16:42
I'm Maddie Ross and I'd like to sell you back those ponies that my father bought.

True Grit 1969 00:16:47
I fear that is outta the question.

True Grit 1969 00:16:49
My father bought those ponies for breeding.

True Grit 1969 00:16:51
Now I've looked at them and they're all geldings.

True Grit 1969 00:16:54
You cannot breed geldings.

True Grit 1969 00:16:56
Oh, that hardly concerns me.

True Grit 1969 00:16:58
Your father bought four ponies and paid a hundred dollars for

True Grit 1969 00:17:00
them, and there's an end of it.

True Grit 1969 00:17:02
I want $300 for Papa Saddle Horse that was stolen from your barn.

True Grit 1969 00:17:05
You'll have to take that up with the man who stole it.

True Grit 1969 00:17:07
Tom Cheney stole it while it was in your care.

True Grit 1969 00:17:10
You are responsible.

True Grit 1969 00:17:13
I admire your son, but I'm not liable.

True Grit 1969 00:17:16
I will take it to the law.

True Grit 1969 00:17:17
Well, you must do us.

True Grit 1969 00:17:18
You ain't best.

True Grit 1969 00:17:20
We will see if a widow and three small children can get fair

True Grit 1969 00:17:23
treatment in the courts of this city.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:25</time>
She's dealing with the horse trader.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:27</time>
She's very book smart and she's dealing with.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:30</time>
Ru Cogburn.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:30</time>
She dealt with LA beef.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:32</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:32</time>
At the Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:32</time>
At the she's

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:33</time>
talking to the lady at the boarding house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:34</time>
Yep.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:35</time>
And so the boarding house is also very accurate.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:37</time>
What a boarding house would look like.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:38</time>
And shacking up her grandma.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:40</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:40</time>
Everybody's sitting around the table.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:41</time>
Sitting around the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:41</time>
table to eat.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:42</time>
Yep.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:42</time>
And you pay for the meal Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:44</time>
Of the evening.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:45</time>
So that is all accurate and well done.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:48</time>
I think, and that's what she meets LeBeouf.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:50</time>
Who's Glenn Campbell, who is a singer at the time.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:53</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:53</time>
So I didn't realize that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:55</time>
Yeah, he's not really an actor.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:56</time>
He's a singer and he's a pretty well-known country singer.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:59</time>
And they had gone after Elvis Presley I think when had read.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:03</time>
But Elvis wanted top boy, El Elvis's Management wanted

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:06</time>
top billing over John Wayne.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:08</time>
And they're like, that ain't happening.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:10</time>
So it was John Wayne actually approached Glen Campbell.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:12</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:13</time>
And asked him to be ated.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:14</time>
And Glen Campbell was like, yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:15</time>
And I like Kim.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:16</time>
I think he does a fair job.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:17</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:18</time>
I

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:18</time>
warmed up.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:18</time>
I, for him, I feel like I warmed up to him.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:21</time>
Eventually.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:21</time>
And they played up in the 1969 version.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:24</time>
A little bit more of a potential, not really romantic, but like she was

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:29</time>
like initially interested but then disgusted because he was just this

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:33</time>
Texas ranger who was talking down to her like she was a little girl.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:36</time>
And then later on Yeah, she actually was like trying to care for him.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:39</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:40</time>
And you could tell that she might.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:42</time>
May have some feelings, and I think it was more just born out of the hardship

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:45</time>
that all three of them had gone through

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:47</time>
together.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:47</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:47</time>
And I actually like his character.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:49</time>
I like, I think Matt Damon plays him better in the 2010 version,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:54</time>
but I like that his character, I.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:56</time>
Dies in the 1969 version.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:58</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:59</time>
A little more realistic because he dies, he saves them.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:02</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:02</time>
And then he dies.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:03</time>
And he really he is also, I think, someone who has true grit.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:07</time>
Like he's showing that he doesn't he's all in and then he dies, and you get

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:12</time>
the backstory that Rooster Cogburn goes back for his body, puts him in his full.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:17</time>
Ranger uniform takes him back to Texas and Leif's talking up about some girl,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:22</time>
some sweetheart that he has, and Rooster says, no sweetheart ever showed up.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:25</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:26</time>
So there's more of that story that you get , in the 1969 version than in the 2010.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:31</time>
And I liked that too.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:33</time>
They're filmed in different areas as well.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:35</time>
They were the 1969 version is filmed in Colorado.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:38</time>
Okay.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:39</time>
And and then the, this version, the 20 10, 20 10 is New Mexico.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:44</time>
Okay?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:45</time>
So you get.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:46</time>
Different backdrops and scenery.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:49</time>
But I know the, what's interesting about the 1969 version, it is, it

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:53</time>
comes out right after the book.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:54</time>
Yep.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:55</time>
And the book's a big deal.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:56</time>
And John Wayne loved the book.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:57</time>
And then the person who wrote the screenplay, he loved the screenplay.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:01</time>
Oh, okay.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:02</time>
And he.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:03</time>
He gunned for the part.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:04</time>
He wanted that part.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:06</time>
Oh, interesting.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:07</time>
And so when he finally did get the part, I think I told you this, he thinks one of

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:10</time>
the best scenes ever written was the one where he's up on the mountain with Maddie

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:15</time>
and they're talking about his past life.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:18</time>
. True Grit 1969: How'd you lose your eye?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:20</time>
I was in the war, the loan jack, little scrap outside of Kansas City.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:26</time>
What'd you do after the war?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:29</time>
I robbed me a federal paymaster and went to Cairo, Illinois and bought a eating

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:33</time>
place there called the Green Frog.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:35</time>
Married a grass widow place, had a billard table.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:40</time>
You never told me you had a wife.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:42</time>
Oh, well I didn't have her long.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:45</time>
My friends was a pack of river rats and.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:48</time>
She didn't crave their so- society, so she up and left men, went back to

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:53</time>
her first husband who was clerking in the hardware store in Paducah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:59</time>
Goodbye Ruben.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:00</time>
She says, A love of decency does not abide in you.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:04</time>
That's a divorced woman talking for you about decency.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:09</time>
Well, I told her, I said, goodbye Nola.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:13</time>
And.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:14</time>
I hope that nail selling bastard makes you happy this time.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:20</time>
Did you have any children?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:22</time>
Hmm?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:24</time>
There was a boy, Nola taking him with her.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:29</time>
He never liked me anyway.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:32</time>
A clumsier child you'll never see than Horace.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:36</time>
I bet he broke 40 cup.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:40</time>
Never did get you for stealing that money.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:43</time>
I didn't consider it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:45</time>
Stealing didn't belong to you.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:47</time>
I needed a road stake.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:49</time>
It was like that little high interest bank in New Mexico needed

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:52</time>
a road stake, and there it was.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:54</time>
I never robbed no citizen taking a man's watch.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:58</time>
It's all stealing.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:00</time>
That's the position them new Mexicans took.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:03</time>
I had to flee for my life.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:05</time>
Suppose a young colt then, no horse could run him into the ground.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:10</time>
When that posse thinned out, uh, I turned old bo around and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:16</time>
taken them reins in my teeth.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:18</time>
I charged them boys firing two Navy six s.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:23</time>
They must have all been married men that loved their families cause

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:27</time>
they scattered and run for a home.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:29</time>
With his ex-wife and his son, horse, and he's talks about his shortcomings.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:34</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:34</time>
Basically.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:35</time>
And he thinks that's a great.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:37</time>
One of the best scenes ever written.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:39</time>
And so you see John Wayne really, making a character here and you

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:45</time>
see the real humanization of him.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:48</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:49</time>
And that's one of the things, again, having watched a fair amount of

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:52</time>
John Wayne movies recently, this was the first time that I saw,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:56</time>
More backstory for his character.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:59</time>
He's not just John Wayne, with a different name, who can knock out a

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:04</time>
guy in one punch and he's like the bigger, he's taller and bigger than

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:07</time>
everybody and tougher than everybody.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:09</time>
Like he's talking about his deficiencies.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:12</time>
His, like you said, his shortcomings.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:13</time>
And that's what really.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:16</time>
Builds a true character in a movie like this.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:19</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:19</time>
And I think that's, that has to be one of the reasons that, aside from

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:23</time>
everything else the great lines and all some of the classic one liners

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:27</time>
that come out of it That's one of the things I think that really put, probably

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:30</time>
put him over the top for the Oscar.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:32</time>
And of course he has the best scene and he's gonna have the best

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:36</time>
scene in this 1969 version and the 2010 version where it hits him against four.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:40</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:41</time>
And that is by far Rooster Cogburn's best scene because it shows you how

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:45</time>
brave this man is and just, is it stupid?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:48</time>
Is it brave or it's his job, but he doesn't back

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:52</time>
down.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:53</time>
Farrell, you and your brother stand clear.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:57</time>
I got no interest in you today.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:59</time>
Stand clear and you won't get hurt.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:05</time>
What's your intention?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:06</time>
Do you think?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:07</time>
One on four is a dog Fall.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:11</time>
I mean to kill you in one minute, Ned, or see you hanged in Fort

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:16</time>
Smith at Judge Parker's convenience.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:18</time>
Which will it be?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:20</time>
I call that bull talk for a one eyed fat man.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:25</time>
Fill your hand.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:27</time>
You son of a bitch.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:37</time>
They're too far.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:37</time>
They're moving too fast.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:44</time>
No grit Rooster Cogburn, not much.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:47</time>
and the interesting part is he talks about how he had done this before

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:50</time>
with one on seven or something like that.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:51</time>
Yeah.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:52</time>
And he was just like, oh yeah, those men, this must have loved their wives because

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:55</time>
they turn around and ran, and if you charge hard enough and they'll run away.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:58</time>
And so then all of a sudden at the, towards the end of the movie when, Katie

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:02</time>
Ross's has been rescued and now it's him versus Ned Pepper and the other

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:06</time>
in his gang, the other gang members.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:07</time>
Ned Pepper's sitting there oh, he's sitting there all cocky thinking, Mr.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:10</time>
Cogman's gonna turn around and run.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:12</time>
And he's what are you doing over there?

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:13</time>
He's I am to kill you in about a minute.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:14</time>
And then you see Ned Pepper, just do this double take wait, what did he just say?

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:18</time>
Yeah.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:19</time>
And then he just you realize he settles in to start getting ready for

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:22</time>
a fight and he actually insults him.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:24</time>
He's look that's pretty big talk from a fat man with one eye.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:27</time>
Yeah.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:28</time>
And then he I've actually clipped this before he says, I

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:30</time>
think he says, fill your hands.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:32</time>
You son of a bitch.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:33</time>
Yeah.

<cite>, Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:33</time>
And

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:34</time>
then he, so it's get your guns ready.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:35</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:35</time>
He's like brave.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:36</time>
And I like, even before that, he tells the other people, I have no beef with you.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:42</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:42</time>
So if you wanna leave, you should leave now.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:44</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:45</time>
He was just going for Ned Pepper.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:46</time>
I'm just going for Ned Pepper.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:47</time>
So if you wanna stay, it's up to you, but I'm telling you, you can leave.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:51</time>
Yep.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:51</time>
And so I like that he's, it's very, brave.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:55</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:56</time>
A stupid brave.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:57</time>
I don't know.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:57</time>
But so now they all stay, so it's four against one.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:00</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:00</time>
And

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:00</time>
then he throws those reigns in his mouth.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:02</time>
He just gets going and he going, he charges them.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:05</time>
And it was, and they're watching it from up

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:07</time>
high.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:07</time>
So the buff and Maddie are watching, is it Maddie?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:10</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:10</time>
Yeah, they're watching from up high and LA Buff is, has the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:13</time>
rifle, but he's not a great shot and they've already distinguished.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:16</time>
He's not a great shot.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:17</time>
He likes to shoot horses

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:18</time>
out for people.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:19</time>
Yeah, he just says that like his carbine, can shoot someone from 300 yards.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:23</time>
John Wayne takes out everybody but Ned Pepper.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:26</time>
He wings him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:27</time>
He wings him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:28</time>
And he's basically, he knows he's a goner, but Rooster Cogburn, his horses

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:34</time>
have been shut out from underneath him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:35</time>
And the, he's landed on his leg and he can't, so he's not

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:38</time>
shot, but he's incapacitated.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:40</time>
He can't reach his weapon.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:42</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:42</time>
So Ned Pepper thinks it's gonna be an easy kill, and that's when

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:46</time>
the buff is able to shoot him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:48</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:48</time>
Off the horse.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:50</time>
Just as he's getting ready to shoot

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:52</time>
John Wayne.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:53</time>
Just says he's gonna make to shoot John Wayne.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:55</time>
And then the bad guy with the mark on his face hits him on the head with a

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:58</time>
rock.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:58</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:58</time>
Hits him on the head.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:59</time>
And and that's when

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:00</time>
Maddy falls

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:01</time>
into the snake pit.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:01</time>
And the interesting thing is that in each of the movies and

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:04</time>
in 1969 you get Dennis Hopper.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:07</time>
So he was actually nominated for the best supporting actor.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:10</time>
That's

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:10</time>
interesting.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:10</time>
Cuz Duval plays Ned Pepper.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:12</time>
But Dennis Hopper's character dies earlier in the movie.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:14</time>
Dies early.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:15</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:15</time>
In the dugout.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:15</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:15</time>
He has a

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:16</time>
decent sized role.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:17</time>
He does.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:17</time>
And very dramatic.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:19</time>
Gets his fingers cut off.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:20</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:21</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:21</time>
They show a lot more in the 2010 version.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:23</time>
But the, so that, that was very interesting.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:25</time>
And even seeing Robert Duvall, I was just pleasantly surprised because

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:28</time>
I wasn't expecting to see either of those, those well-known actors.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:31</time>
And that was in their early days for them.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:33</time>
This was towards the later end of John Wayne's career.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:36</time>
But I really enjoyed.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:38</time>
True grit.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:39</time>
I enjoyed John Wayne's character

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:41</time>
a lot.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:41</time>
I do too.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:41</time>
And one of the things that I actually wrote down and I was saving this

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:45</time>
for the another watch with history we have planned, but I actually wrote down,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:50</time>
because you assume Maddie says, When she first hires Rooster Cogburn, she says,

True Grit 1969 00:27:55
They tell me you're a man with true grit.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:57</time>
And I actually wrote down about halfway, two-thirds

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:00</time>
of the way through the movie.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:01</time>
I was like, maybe, I think she's actually the one with true grit.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:04</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:05</time>
And that's what they're showing you.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:06</time>
Nobody ever actually says that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:07</time>
Sure.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:08</time>
But that's what they're showing you.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:09</time>
Here's this 14 year old girl.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:11</time>
You wanna talk about someone that's got true grit.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:13</time>
She like jumps her horse in the water and swims it across the river.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:16</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:16</time>
To Chase Rooster Cogburn and lab beef and all this stuff.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:20</time>
She shoots Cheney.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:21</time>
She shoots Cheney.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:22</time>
And she keeps fighting back.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:24</time>
And she's bitten by the snake.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:25</time>
Bitten by the snake and, hangs in there.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:27</time>
It was, Pretty, it was pretty

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:29</time>
incredible.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:30</time>
It was pretty incredible.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:31</time>
And what you get, and I hope these are spoilers, if no

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:34</time>
wouldn't have seen the movie.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:34</time>
So if you haven't seen it and you don't wanna hear these spoilers, turn this

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:37</time>
off, but even at the end, both movies make a point that she's respectful.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:42</time>
He's made such an impact in her life that she wants him buried in her family

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:47</time>
plot, in her family plot in both movies.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:48</time>
Do that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:49</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:49</time>
And I think that's significant to show that she thinks almost

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:53</time>
like the shared hardship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:54</time>
Like now he's family and she thinks of him as family.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:57</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:57</time>
And in the end of the 1969 version John Wayne actually

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:03</time>
makes that jump on that horse.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:10</time>
Trust you to buy another tall horse.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:12</time>
Yeah, he's not as game as Bob, but Stonehill says he

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:18</time>
can jump a four rail fence.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:20</time>
You're too old.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:21</time>
Too fat to be jumping horses.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:27</time>
Well come see a fat old man sometime.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:31</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:47</time>
Yeah, you told me that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:48</time>
I, that's pretty impressive.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:49</time>
Cause I think he was like 60 and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:50</time>
he had already had the lung surgery, so he usually had a stunt double.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:55</time>
But this was his horse and this horse was young and it was a jumper

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:00</time>
and they weren't sure if John Wayne was gonna do it in the last scene.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:03</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:04</time>
And he actually did it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:06</time>
And he's wait to say, come see an old Fatman sometimes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:09</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:09</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:09</time>
Could Fatman jump over a fence sometimes And then he just goes and does it.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:12</time>
Does it?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:13</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:13</time>
It was, it's such a great scene.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:14</time>
It was.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:15</time>
It was pretty cool.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:16</time>
We'll move on to the 2010 version here in just a second.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:21</time>
But there's an interesting fact that I dug up.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:23</time>
So there was actually a true grit television show made in the late 1970s.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:28</time>
A show was called True Grit, A Further Adventure, and it

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:30</time>
aired for one season in 1978.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:34</time>
The show starred Warren Oats as Rooster Cogburn and followed the

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:37</time>
character as he continued to work as a US Marshall and take on various

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:40</time>
cases across the American West.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:42</time>
Now the show is not a success but it was based on the same characters and

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:47</time>
storylines from the novel and despite the popularity, it only did about 11 episodes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:53</time>
But a fun fact about Warren Oats, if you don't know that name, He so he played

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:58</time>
Rooster in this, in the TV show, but he went to later on to play the role

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:03</time>
of Sergeant Holka, the drill instructor in the 1981 Bill Murray Comedy Stripes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:10</time>
So it's the same actor.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:11</time>
So just a fun little, like he was definitely working actor.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:14</time>
He did a lot of stuff.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:15</time>
Sure.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:15</time>
But I looked him up and then looked up kind of some of the more popular

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:19</time>
movies he was in, and that's one that a lot of people in, including those

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:22</time>
who've seen or probably watching this.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:23</time>
They've probably seen Bill Murray in

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:25</time>
Stripes They Pro.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:26</time>
Oh, absolutely.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:27</time>
So I just think it's so cool.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:29</time>
I, we'll, we have a, we will talk about what I think is John Wayne's

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:32</time>
best performance another time, but I do like this performance.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:37</time>
I do think this is a performance as well.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:39</time>
Like it does warm my heart that he did win an Oscar and he won it for this

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:43</time>
role.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:43</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:44</time>
No, it was very good.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:45</time>
I enjoyed the 1969 very version, very much.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:47</time>
Now, the 2010 gr True Grit.

True Grit 2010 00:31:50
Mr.

True Grit 2010 00:31:50
Cogburn, in your four years as US Marshall, how many men

True Grit 2010 00:31:56
have you shot, shot or killed?

True Grit 2010 00:31:59
Let us restrict it to killed so that we may have a manageable figure.

True Grit 2010 00:32:10
Mr.

True Grit 2010 00:32:10
Cockburn, what do you want, bro?

True Grit 2010 00:32:12
I'm looking for the man who told my father man's name is, Tom Cheney

True Grit 2010 00:32:17
and I need somebody to go after him.

True Grit 2010 00:32:19
What's your name?

True Grit 2010 00:32:20
My name is Maddie Ross.

True Grit 2010 00:32:25
Are you some kind of law?

True Grit 2010 00:32:27
I'm a Texas Ranger.

True Grit 2010 00:32:30
I know Channey.

True Grit 2010 00:32:31
It is at least a two man job taking him alive.

True Grit 2010 00:32:35
Why car break?

True Grit 2010 00:32:38
Can we depart this afternoon?

True Grit 2010 00:32:40
We.

True Grit 2010 00:32:41
I'm going with you.

True Grit 2010 00:32:43
Congratulations.

True Grit 2010 00:32:44
You're graduating from Marauder to Wetters.

True Grit 2010 00:32:48
We're being followed.

True Grit 2010 00:32:50
Marshall,

True Grit 2010 00:32:54
you missed your shot.

True Grit 2010 00:32:55
Cockburn.

True Grit 2010 00:32:56
Best let this go.

True Grit 2010 00:32:57
I thought you were gonna say the sun was in your eyes.

True Grit 2010 00:32:59
That is to say.

True Grit 2010 00:33:01
Your eye.

True Grit 2010 00:33:03
You got a lot of experience with mounting hunters.

True Grit 2010 00:33:05
Steve, that is a silly question.

True Grit 2010 00:33:07
I am 14.

True Grit 2010 00:33:07
You can run home for a long time.

True Grit 2010 00:33:11
Time for you to go home.

True Grit 2010 00:33:12
I don't like you.

True Grit 2010 00:33:13
I will not go back.

True Grit 2010 00:33:14
Not without Cheney.

True Grit 2010 00:33:15
Dead or alive.

True Grit 2010 00:33:16
Leave.

True Grit 2010 00:33:16
You gotta cut you.

True Grit 2010 00:33:19
Downey's Here.

True Grit 2010 00:33:21
Help me Marshall.

True Grit 2010 00:33:25
Now what?

True Grit 2010 00:33:25
Cogburn them boys.

True Grit 2010 00:33:28
You don't think about the wrath that's about to set down on it.

True Grit 2010 00:33:34
And this gang a rough, not your father.

True Grit 2010 00:33:48
I will kill this girl.

True Grit 2010 00:33:50
The biggest mistake you ever made.

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Help me.

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I couldn't do nothing for you son.

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I.

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Is directed by the Cohen Brothers.

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It stars Jeff Bridges, Matt Damon and Haley Steinfeld and Josh Brolin.

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And Josh Brolin.

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He comes in a little bit later the movies a remake of the 1969 film

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of the same name, and we even get a lot of the same iconic lines between

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the characters as Matt Ross Rooster Cogburn, and the Texas Ranger.

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The beef travel through the Indian territory.

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They encounter similar obstacles and dangerous terrain, and

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the film culminates in the.

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Same classic showdown between Rooster Cogburn and the criminals he's pursuing.

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And Jeff Bridges even gives us the line that John Wayne made famous.

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Fill your hands, you son of a bitch.

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And charges straight towards the four outlaws with reins in his

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mouth and two guns firing away.

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Now this movie is a Tale of vengeance.

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Justice and the roughness of the American West and features,

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strong performances from its cast and beautiful cinematography.

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I did notice that very clearly in the 2010 version, the cinematography.

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I just loved some of those scenes.

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I think you could just literally turn into a picture.

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It was gorgeous.

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The.

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2010 release of True Grit was a surprise Cohen Brothers commercial

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success, and it grossed over 252 million at the box office.

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It was nominated for 10 Academy Awards.

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Wow.

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Including Best Picture, best Director for the Cohen Brothers

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Best adapted screenplay.

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Best actor for Jeff Bridges best supporting actress for Haley Steinfeld.

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The film also received nominations for best cinematography, sound

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editing, sound mixing, best costume design and best art direction.

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Wow.

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So it, they knocked out of the park on this one.

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And here's an interesting movie Critics fact for you.

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Jeff Bridges was nominated for playing Rooster Cogburn and the role that

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John Wayne won his Oscar for, and it's very rare for two actors to win

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an Oscar for the exact same role.

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Sure.

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It's, I can't name any off the top of my head.

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You might be able to, but Joaquin Phoenix, we'd have to, we'd have to look that up.

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And

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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Heath Ledger a Joker.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
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But one year earlier, so this is the 2010 version,

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one year earlier in 2009.

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Bridges had actually just won for his first Oscar for the film Crazy Heart.

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Which was seen at the time as like a career kind of achievement award for him.

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Yet many critics felt that Bridge's role as Cogburn was

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actually the better performance.

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And if not for his , Oscar win a year earlier for Crazy Heart.

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, most critics believe he would've won it for True Grit as Rooster Cogburn.

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So I just thought that was very interesting.

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Interesting.

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Because, Jeff Bridges is phenomenal.

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He does play

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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it very well.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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He does.

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He plays a different booster.

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Cogburn, like you said, not quite as humorous.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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Yep.

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He takes a little bit of the humor away, but he does play the same gritty ness

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and I think what, and this was nominated for so many Oscars, I think westerns.

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Really set themselves up to be shot beautifully cinematically.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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Oh, a hundred percent.

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Because you're on the raw western landscape and it's beautiful.

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That is what draws people to the west.

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That's what draws these cowboys and these rangers to live off the

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land is that beauty of the land.

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And so wait, if you can shoot that and shoot that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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It really is beautiful.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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There

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was just some amazing cinematic shots.

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One of the things that I actually noticed as I was watching the

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movie, I watched it today.

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But one of the things that I noticed while I was watching the movie and I, when I was

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doing some research online, they called it out as well, is a lot of Some of the

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characters are mirror opposites, so he actually wears the patch on the other eye.

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Ah, it's interesting.

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And so actually Cheney's character, right?

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So that was Brolin.

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He's his pet his scar is on the other cheek.

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His like Is his powder burn.

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Gunpowder burn.

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The gunpowder burn is actually on the other cheek.

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It's interesting.

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And so I think the Cohen brothers, what I read was they tried to stay

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a little bit more true to the book.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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Sure.

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Because she loses her arm in this one.

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Yeah.

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She doesn't lose her arm in 1960 nine's version in this

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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version, she loses her arm.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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And in both versions he stays with her until she's well, but she

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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sees him again right away in the 1969 version in the 2010 version.

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She never sees him again.

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She gets a letter from him.

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She goes to visit and he's already

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passed.

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Yeah.

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And also the thing that was different, and I assume this must be more accurate to the

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book, was they actually split up from Lae.

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Yes.

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He survives.

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They get into an argument actually pretty early on.

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Oh yes.

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Before they get out to the, get into the initial shootout with some of

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Ned Pepper's, gang, they split up and, so it's just him and Maddie.

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It's just Rooster and Matt for a little while until they get to that one place

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where the two outlaws kind of get killed.

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Yeah.

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The deck out and peppers came, comes in later.

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They meet up with the beef and then they split up again.

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Yes.

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And he hears the gunshots, so that must be more accurate to the book.

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Whereas in the 1969 version, they basically stay together the entire time.

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Yeah, they do.

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So I thought that was interesting.

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And I, Matt Damon I liked Matt Damon as an as acting role.

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Yes.

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I think he did a great job.

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He dallied in Monroe, Louisiana, and Pine Bluff, Arkansas

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before turning up at your father's place.

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Well, why did you not catch him in Pine Bluff, Arkansas or Monroe, Louisiana.

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He's a crafty one.

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I thought him slow witted myself.

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That was his act.

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That was a good one.

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Are you some kind of law?

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That's right.

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I'm a Texas Ranger.

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That may make you a big noise in that state.

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In Arkansas, you should mind that your Texas trappings entitled Do

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not Make you an object of Fun.

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Why have you been?

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I effectually pursuing Chaney.

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He's shot and killed a state senator named Bibbs in Waco, Texas.

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Bibbs family put out a reward.

True Grit 2010 00:39:47
Well, how came Channey to shoot a state senator?

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My understanding is there was an argument about a dog, you know, anything

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about the whereabouts of Cheney.

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Oh, he's in the territory and I hold that little hope for you winning your bounty.

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Why is that?

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My man will beat you to it.

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I've hired a Deputy Marshall, the toughest one they have.

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Annie's familiar with the lucky net pepper gang.

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They say Cheney's tied up with.

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Well, I will throw in with you and your Marshall.

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No, Marshall Cogburn and I are fine.

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It'll be to our mutual advantage.

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Your Marshall, I presume, knows the territory.

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I know Cheney.

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It is at least a two.

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Man.

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I've taken him alive.

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When Chaney is taken, he's coming back to Fort Smith to hang.

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I'm not having him go to Texas to hang for shooting some Senator.

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It is not important where he hangs, is it?

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It is to me.

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Is it to you?

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It means a great deal of money to me.

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It's been many months work.

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Oh, I'm sorry that you were paid.

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Peace broken, not on wages and that you have been alluded

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The winter long by half witch.

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You give out very little sugar with your pronouncements.

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While I sat there watching you, I gave some thought to stealing a kiss.

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Though you are very young and sick and unattractive to boot, but now

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I have a mind to give you five or six good licks with my belt.

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Hmm.

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Well, one would be as unpleasant as the other.

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If you wet your comb might tame that cowlick.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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It's difference between an actor and a singer.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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Glenn Campbell was a singer.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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He's trying to act and he does a fair job.

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But Mac Damon is an actor.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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He's

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better.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
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Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
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Matt Damon did a great job.

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And especially with, if you've ever seen these movies, if you haven't That

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Maddie, what she does esp, especially with Libi, is she's very quick witted.

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And so he keeps saying, it's oh, I was thinking about sneaking a kiss from

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you, but maybe instead I'll you bend you over my knee and give you a switch.

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And she's I think both would be just as miserable.

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And he just He's shocked.

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He's surprised.

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He's like, how does this 14 year old girl she just keeps giving it to him.

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She's very, and so eventually he just gets frustrated and he's

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okay, I'm not dealing with this.

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Yeah.

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But so Matt Damon did a fantastic job as Lae.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
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Yes.

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<time>00:41:47</time>
And

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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I think the 2010 version, like I said, there is some parts of it

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:41:52</time>
that I think are more realistic.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:41:55</time>
There is a part in the dugout when the.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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The brother is dying.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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And Jeff Bridges stands over him and

True Grit 2010 00:42:06
Help me.

True Grit 2010 00:42:07
I couldn't do nothing for you son.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:11</time>
he's help me.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:12</time>
And he's I can do nothing for you.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:14</time>
John Wayne delivers that line you're standing on my foot.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:16</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:17</time>
I can do nothing for you.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:18</time>
Where Jeff Bridges gives you more of a sense of you're dying.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:22</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:23</time>
It's nothing I can do where I didn't really.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:25</time>
Get quite that same sentence from when John Wayne delivered the line.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:28</time>
So there is so much difference with inflection Sure.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:31</time>
And how people are setting up the scene, which I found very interesting.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:35</time>
And it's neat to see two really good actors play a very colorful

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:40</time>
character like this in different ways.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:42:42</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:42:42</time>
And I think that, I felt like Jeff Bridges actually played a little

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:42:48</time>
bit more of that person that was.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:42:51</time>
Closer to the edge of what's legal and not

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:54</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:54</time>
And he gets very drunk.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:56</time>
You don't see so much of that from John Wayne, except John Wayne gets drunk and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:42:59</time>
falls off the horse and says, we're gonna

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:43:00</time>
kill here.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:43:00</time>
I actually wrote down John Wayne drank from very, he was drinking the whole time.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:43:04</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:43:05</time>
Whereas Jeff Bridges was about halfway through the movie before his

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:43:08</time>
character actually started drinking.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:43:09</time>
And they also goes on a huge bender in the 2010 version they introduced, this must

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:43:14</time>
have been in the book like some random.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:43:16</time>
Doctor, like this wilderness Dr.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:43:18</time>
Guy who's wearing like a big bur bare fur in the bare head.

True Grit 2010 00:43:30
You are not LeBeouf.

True Grit 2010 00:43:33
My name is Forrester.

True Grit 2010 00:43:36
Now, practice dentistry in the nation.

True Grit 2010 00:43:40
Also veterinary arts and medicine on those humans that will sit still for it.

True Grit 2010 00:43:49
They have your work cut out for you There.

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Traded for him with an Indian who said he came by him.

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Honestly, I gave up two dental mirrors and a bottle of expectorant.

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Do either of you need.

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Medical with attention.

True Grit 2010 00:44:10
No.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:12</time>
Very strange, very random interaction, but that, that

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:15</time>
had to have been in the book.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:16</time>
Sure.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:17</time>
So that just really stuck out cause it was, they didn't have

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<time>00:44:20</time>
that in the first version at all.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:21</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:44:22</time>
I do love the dialogue and I even love, I really

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:44:25</time>
appreciate Maddie's dialogue.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:44:26</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:44:26</time>
Like you said, she is very of the time.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:44:30</time>
She's using jargon of the time.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:44:32</time>
She's really legal eased and she's cri witted.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:44:35</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:44:35</time>
And she's just very, she has a response for everything, and I

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:44:41</time>
think that's another thing where Ned Pepper finds her a formidable.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:44:46</time>
A foe, I guess in a way when he meets her because Yeah she

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:49</time>
Earns respect pretty quickly.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:50</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:51</time>
She

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:44:51</time>
answers his question.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:44:52</time>
She's very

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:52</time>
forthcoming because cuz Ned Pepper doesn't really care about Cheney.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:55</time>
Cheney just joined in with him.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:56</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:57</time>
He's oh yeah, he shot that guy.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:58</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:58</time>
He probably deserved it, right?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:44:59</time>
He killed your dad.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:00</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:00</time>
It's okay, yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:01</time>
I can tell you're holding your own, right?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:02</time>
Don't hurt her.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:03</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:03</time>
And she's my, my pistol misfired.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:06</time>
And he goes, yeah, they'll do that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:07</time>
So he's very he's honest with her too.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:09</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:10</time>
So I found it very interesting.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:12</time>
They still have the same guy who makes the animal sounds Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:16</time>
Just showing you like, there's still crazy

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:18</time>
people.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:18</time>
There's crazy.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:19</time>
He's he sounds like a Turkey.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:21</time>
Too thin rooster, too thin.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:24</time>
You're your five minutes is running.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:26</time>
No more talk.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:28</time>
Get on up that hill.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:37</time>
And then he's That was in the first movie too.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:39</time>
Yeah, that was in the first movie too.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:41</time>
And I think he died in, I think that character died in each of 'em.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:44</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:45:44</time>
So

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:44</time>
they, yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:45</time>
They die in that fill your hands.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:46</time>
You son him a bitch.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:47</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:47</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:48</time>
There's are other lines.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:45:48</time>
John Wayne makes this, the statement looking back is a bad habit.

True Grit 1969 00:45:52
They don't call him lucky Ned Pepper for nothing.

True Grit 1969 00:45:56
That man gave his life for him.

True Grit 1969 00:45:57
He didn't even look back.

True Grit 1969 00:45:59
Yeah, looking back is a bad habit.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:46:02</time>
So he doesn't say that

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:03</time>
In the second one.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:04</time>
Does is second one.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:04</time>
I didn't catch it.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:05</time>
I was li I was listening for it, but that was, that's a pretty famous line.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:08</time>
I think you have a shirt with that on it.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:09</time>
Looking back as a bad habit I don't think Jeff Bridges had that line in there.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:13</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:14</time>
But

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:46:14</time>
so it's neat.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:46:15</time>
The snake bite.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:46:17</time>
Happens in both.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:46:19</time>
He rides the horse to its death in both.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:46:22</time>
He carries her to safety to the back of the house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:46:25</time>
In both a little different when,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:27</time>
And then, like you said earlier, the beef lives in the second one.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:31</time>
In the 2010 version.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:32</time>
So again, I assume that must be more like the book.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:34</time>
Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:46:35</time>
Although she says she hasn't seen him, she said he'd be well.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:46:38</time>
Into his 70 eighties.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:46:40</time>
By now, I would like to have a talk with him.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:42</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:42</time>
So the end of the 2010 version, I actually appreciated seeing,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:47</time>
she said it's 25 years later.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:50</time>
I had the body removed to our plot and I have visited it over the years.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:59</time>
No doubt.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:46:59</time>
People talk about that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:01</time>
They say.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:02</time>
Well, she hardly knew the man.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:04</time>
Isn't she a cranky old maid?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:08</time>
It is true.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:08</time>
I have not married.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:10</time>
I never had time to fool with it.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:15</time>
I heard nothing more of the Texas officer LeBeouf.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:19</time>
If he is yet alive, I would be pleased to hear from him.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:22</time>
I judge he would be in his seventies now and nearer.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:25</time>
80 than 70.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:27</time>
I expect some of the starch has gone out of that cowlick.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:33</time>
Time just gets away from us.

<cite>. Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:37</time>
But I appreciated seeing her and her tracking down,

<cite>. Scott:</cite>
<time>00:47:40</time>
trying to track down Rooster

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:47:41</time>
Cogburn.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:47:41</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:47:41</time>
He sends her he's basically running with the Cole Younger,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:47:44</time>
kinda like a Buffalo Bill show.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:47:46</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:47:46</time>
They're doing a Wild West show and the Cole Younger gang from Jesse James,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:47:50</time>
Frank James and the Cole Younger.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:47:51</time>
They're doing a show and they're very old men.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:47:53</time>
And Rooster Cogburn must have been part of their show.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:47:56</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:47:56</time>
To some degree telling his.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:47:57</time>
Stories and he sends her a letter to come visit them in

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:48:01</time>
Memphis, which is also very cool.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:48:03</time>
Cause we used to live in Memphis.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:48:04</time>
And when she gets there and she talks to, I think Mr.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:48:06</time>
Younger, he informs her that booster has died three

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:11</time>
the weeks earlier.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:12</time>
No, it was like three days.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:48:13</time>
Oh, three days.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:48:14</time>
I know.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:48:14</time>
She must have been three days.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:48:14</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:48:15</time>
And they buried him in Jonesboro, Arkansas.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:48:18</time>
And she has them dug up and brought back to her family, to

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:21</time>
her family plot.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:22</time>
But for some reason I appreciated that ending a little bit.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:25</time>
More.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:26</time>
It was two very different endings.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:27</time>
Two very different endings.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:28</time>
The first one, the ending was Rooster Cogburn, jumping his horse over a fence,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:32</time>
and you get that sense of oh, there he is off back, off into the wild west.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:36</time>
And then the next one, You actually appreciate the closure?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:40</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:40</time>
A little bit.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:40</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:41</time>
Because, that he's gonna die in some random weird, alone.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:45</time>
Alone.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:46</time>
Like his character knows that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:48</time>
He knows that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:48</time>
That's him talking about his ex-wife and his.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:50</time>
Son who was clumsy, kept, could never stay on a horse, and broke about 40 cups.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:55</time>
Broke 40 cups.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:48:57</time>
So there were differences between the 1969 and the 2010 version that I appreciated

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:03</time>
some things that I missed Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:05</time>
In the 2010 that I enjoyed in the 1969.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:08</time>
Like I said, I think overall to bring this.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:11</time>
All back together.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:13</time>
I enjoyed the character of John Wayne's Rooster Cog and a little

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:18</time>
bit more cause I liked the humor.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:20</time>
It was, there was a little bit more humor in there and I just,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:23</time>
me personally, I appreciated that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:25</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:25</time>
The cinematography into the 2010 version was gorgeous.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:29</time>
It's not even a comparison to me.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:30</time>
No.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:30</time>
But Matt Damon's character I think was a little better in the second Maddie

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:34</time>
Ross, her, the actress the young lady.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:37</time>
She was amazing.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:38</time>
She's amazing.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:49:39</time>
And she's young.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:49:40</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:49:40</time>
Where Kim Derby is not 14 years old.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:49:42</time>
In the 1969 version.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:49:44</time>
Okay.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:49:44</time>
So which one did you like better?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:46</time>
Oh goodness.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:47</time>
I would go with the 1969 version really?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:49</time>
With the John Wayne version.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:50</time>
I would go with that one just because I enjoyed that version of Rooster

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:54</time>
Cogburn and a little bit more.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:55</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:56</time>
And John Wayne is just so iconic.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:49:59</time>
In that role, with the lines that he gives.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:50:02</time>
And I think the, to me, hid the lines when he gives those famous one-liners,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:50:07</time>
they have a little bit more oomph to him.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:50:09</time>
A little bit.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:50:09</time>
More, a little more of a ring.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:50:11</time>
If I was gonna go just from cinema, cinematography,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:50:13</time>
videography, the 2010 version.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:50:15</time>
Hands down.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:50:16</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:50:16</time>
But I think I enjoyed the 1969 version a little bit more.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:19</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:20</time>
I think same thing.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:21</time>
I enjoy the characters in the 1969 version a little bit more.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:25</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:26</time>
As far as cinematography wardrobe, I do like 2010.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:30</time>
I like Ben Foster, I think a little bit more as Ned Pepper.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:34</time>
Oh yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:34</time>
Than Robert Duvall.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:35</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:36</time>
As well.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:37</time>
I'm a big Ben Foster fan.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:38</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:38</time>
And I do like how rugged he looked.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:41</time>
Ugh.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:42</time>
As compared to, they, which they, when you saw his teeth and everything, which

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:46</time>
they do a really good job, I think, in later westerns to show how hard

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:52</time>
these men look living off the land.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:54</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:50:54</time>
Like

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:50:54</time>
they do.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:50:55</time>
Even Josh Brolin, who plays Cheney, his character, it's not a,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:50:59</time>
he's a pivotal character, but he doesn't have a lot of screen time.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:02</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:03</time>
But he plays this downbeat.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:05</time>
Josh Brolin's a huge actor.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:51:07</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:51:07</time>
He's downbeat.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:51:08</time>
He also seems very simple-minded as well.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:51:11</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:51:11</time>
And the world is against him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:51:13</time>
Everyone's against him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:51:14</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:51:15</time>
And so it shows you again, like these maybe cognitive limitations.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:51:19</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:51:20</time>
That may people into the outlaws that they became.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:23</time>
But yeah, I think overall I enjoyed the 1969 version a little bit more.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:27</time>
If you haven't seen these movies I highly recommend both of them.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:32</time>
Yeah, they're both very enjoyable.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:33</time>
I do too.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:33</time>
The John Wayne won.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:34</time>
If you're a John Wayne fan, I'm guessing you probably clicked on this

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:38</time>
thumbnail to watch this video because you're a John Wayne or True Grit fan.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:42</time>
So I'd be curious to hear what your guys' favorite version is, whether the

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:45</time>
1969 version of 2010, and maybe your thoughts on your favorite characters

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:49</time>
and why you like one over the other.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:51</time>
Drop it in the comments below.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:52</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:51:52</time>
Are your favorite lines from the movie?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:51:54</time>
Absolutely.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:55</time>
I'd like to hear that too.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:56</time>
Yeah, that'd be fun.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:51:57</time>
So thank you for listening to our first ever watch with history segment.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:01</time>
As we've discussed, true grit had a significant impact on our popular culture,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:06</time>
particularly in the Western genre.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:08</time>
It, even just the term true grit has a little bit more meaning just because

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:13</time>
of this film and it's been added.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:17</time>
It's been adapted into multiple films, a television show, and I think I

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:20</time>
read somewhere, even a stage play.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:22</time>
At its core, true Grit is a story about the pursuit of justice and revenge

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:26</time>
in a lawless and dangerous world.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:28</time>
It explores the themes of determination, perseverance, and loyalty, as

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:33</time>
well as the human desire for redemption and a sense of purpose.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:37</time>
As viewers, we get a peak into the historical context of the American

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:42</time>
Old West depicting a time of conflict and upheaval in the country's history.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:47</time>
Through its portrayal of rugged landscapes, violent encounters in

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:50</time>
the pursuit of justice, true grit captures the spirit of the American

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:54</time>
frontier and its enduring mythology.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:52:57</time>
So whether you're a fan of Westerns, John Wayne, or simply appreciate a

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:53:01</time>
great story, true Grit is a film that continues to captivate audiences and

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:53:05</time>
leave a lasting impact on us today.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:53:08</time>
If you enjoyed this watch with history segment, please reach out

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:53:11</time>
to us through the link in our show notes and we as we love hearing from

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:53:14</time>
you, and we would be curious to hear what movie you want us to talk about

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:53:18</time>
for our next watch with history.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:53:20</time>
We'll see you next time.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:53:21</time>
Thank you.

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