Stonewall Jackson’s Arm: The Strangest Burial in History

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<p>Perhaps you have heard of the separate burial site of Stonewall Jackson's arm.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>That famous Confederate General who stood there like a Stonewall</p>
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<p>at the Battle of Bull Run, was not buried with his left arm.</p>
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<p>In fact, he outlived it by just over a week.</p>
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<p>So join us this evening as we talk about the strange story of Joan</p>
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<p>Stonewall Jackson's left arm, and how he lost it at Chancellor's.</p>
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<p>So what are we talking about tonight?</p>
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<p>So we're</p>
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<p>talking about Stonewall Jackson's arm, right?</p>
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<p>Specifically that he's buried without it.</p>
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<p>And it's buried in a separate location.</p>
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<p>Can</p>
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<p>you again set the scene for.</p>
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<p>Chancellor's Ville, kind of what's going on just before Yes.</p>
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<p>And then up into that and how this, how this all happens.</p>
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<p>So Chancellor's Ville is a, is a couple day long battle.</p>
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<p>It's not, uh, so it's, it's not like a one day battle.</p>
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<p>It's a couple day long battle and it's a Confederate win.</p>
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<p>And Stonewall Jackson is leading that battle.</p>
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<p>It's in the Virginia area.</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>And there will have a couple battles in that general area.</p>
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<p>Further on down in the Civil War, but that first day is</p>
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<p>successful for the Confederacy.</p>
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<p>And in the evening, Stonewall Jackson is riding along the line at night</p>
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<p>and it's a dark night and he's riding along and he comes across the North</p>
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<p>Carolina, the 18th, North Carolina, and they yell out and he's with.</p>
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<p>His aids.</p>
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<p>You can imagine it's not just him by himself.</p>
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<p>He's with his aids.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>He's got a whole haunt, like a, like four or five people with him.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>I mean, four or five people die, so he probably has like 10 people with him.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And the 18th Kara line yell, halt, who's there?</p>
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<p>But before they can answer, they just start shooting.</p>
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<p>And so then they say, stop.</p>
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<p>You're firing on your own.</p>
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<p>Men.</p>
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<p>Stop.</p>
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<p>We ain't, we're not Yankees.</p>
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<p>And they don't believe 'em.</p>
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<p>They think they're lying.</p>
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<p>And so they, they fire some more.</p>
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<p>Oh, okay.</p>
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<p>And so they end up killing several men, Stonewall Jackson's men.</p>
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<p>And I tried to look up the names of those men.</p>
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<p>So if anyone knows.</p>
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<p>The names of those men, I would be interested in that because you would</p>
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<p>think that would be folklore saying, I died, or our family member died the night</p>
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<p>that Stonewall Jackson lost his arm.</p>
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<p>Sure.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>But Stonewall Jackson has hit three times, uh, in his, twice in his left arm,</p>
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<p>uh, halfway between his elbow and his shoulder, and then in his left wrist.</p>
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<p>And then he's lift, he's hit in the right palm of his hand as well.</p>
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<p>And if you remember from the first Battle of Bul, and he's also shot in his.</p>
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<p>He's, uh, he's shot in his right hand and through his finger, and that's when he</p>
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<p>wraps up and kind of holds on his, um, side when he side when he's posing there.</p>
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<p>Interesting.</p>
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<p>So, um, so I, it seems like he gets hit in his arms kind of often, but</p>
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<p>anyway, he gets hit three times, uh, and it basically shatters his left arm.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And so this is the night of May 2nd, and more than likely they've shot</p>
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<p>his horse and, uh, I don't think they actually kill his horse, but they more.</p>
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<p>He doesn't have a horse now because they carry him on a stretcher.</p>
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<p>Oh, okay.</p>
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<p>And the, this is another thing that's gonna cause his demise.</p>
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<p>He's carried on a stretcher and he's dropped twice from stretcher height and</p>
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<p>he's dropped so hard on his side that he has very bad bruising on his side.</p>
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<p>And this is what they think contributes to his pneumonia.</p>
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<p>Oh,</p>
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<p>cuz that's what</p>
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<p>gets him later.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>Cuz he's so injured in his side and it's starting to, you</p>
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<p>know, Liquid and, and blood.</p>
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<p>And so interesting.</p>
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<p>So they, they get into a hospital tent and if you watch our video, we</p>
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<p>not only go to where the gunshots happened that shattered his arm, we go</p>
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<p>to the hospital tent where his arm is amputated and his arm is amputated by Dr.</p>
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<p>Hunter McGuire and we've gone to Hunter McGuire's grave.</p>
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<p>Yep.</p>
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<p>Hunter McGuire is a.</p>
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<p>Very well known doctor in the Civil War, and not just Confederate doctor.</p>
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<p>He is the one who's gonna write to President Abraham Lincoln</p>
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<p>when doctors are captured.</p>
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<p>And he's going to have this program called the Winchester Accord, which is very, the</p>
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<p>very first, um, non-combatant article.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>Okay.</p>
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<p>Where he, he makes a case to President Lincoln.</p>
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<p>We should release doctors on both sides when they're captured.</p>
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<p>So kind of just like that, that.</p>
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<p>That, um, what do you call it, like kind of rule of engagement?</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>Where, hey, if they're on there with</p>
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<p>the, with the Yes.</p>
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<p>And then they can.</p>
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<p>Either side.</p>
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<p>Like they, they, you don't have to release them right away, just release, they're</p>
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<p>not prisoners and they'll just help.</p>
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<p>Oh, interesting.</p>
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<p>And they say that because he did that and because Lincoln was like, yes.</p>
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<p>He right away released the Confederate doctors and the</p>
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<p>Confederacy released union doctors.</p>
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<p>They say that they saved so many more lives and would've</p>
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<p>been lost because of that.</p>
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<p>Oh, interesting.</p>
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<p>So Hunter McGuire did that.</p>
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<p>Huh?</p>
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<p>And so is that the statue that we saw in Richmond?</p>
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<p>That's the statue we saw in Richmond.</p>
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<p>Okay.</p>
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<p>That's the grave we went to in Richmond.</p>
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<p>And he amputate.</p>
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<p>Jackson's arm.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And he's also Jackson's personal doctor.</p>
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<p>He's gonna be with him when he gets Jackson's last words.</p>
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<p>He's also at the surrender at the battle.</p>
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<p>And, and, and one</p>
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<p>thing to remember too is at this point in the war, right,</p>
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<p>it's been about almost two years.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>And.</p>
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<p>And he is Stonewall Jackson.</p>
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<p>I mean, he has the name, he has the reputation, he is this legend.</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>For the Confederate, he's on both sides, right?</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>It's not just for the Confederacy.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>You know, on the other sides, they're like, oh my gosh, like we're</p>
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<p>going up, up against the Stonewall.</p>
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<p>I'm sure there were soldiers that were like, they would, were dread that they're</p>
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<p>like, they, they would hear, they're going up against, you know, Stonewall Jackson,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:07:31</time>
<p>and, and that carries so much weight and so that's why this was kind of such</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:35</time>
<p>a big.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:35</time>
<p>Yeah, so Stonewall Jackson, he's the class of 1846 at uh, west Point.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:41</time>
<p>Okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:42</time>
<p>And he's teaching at V M I from 1851 to 1861.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:45</time>
<p>So 10 years.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:46</time>
<p>He's taught at V M I.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:47</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:47</time>
<p>And then when the South Secedes in May of 1861, he joins.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:53</time>
<p>And it's in July of 1861 that he gets the reputation Stonewall Jackson.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:58</time>
<p>So it's not even two months.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:59</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:00</time>
<p>After the war.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:00</time>
<p>Cuz it's that first battle of Bullen that he gets that reputation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:03</time>
<p>Can you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:04</time>
<p>imagine?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:04</time>
<p>I mean that just, that thought just pops into my head.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:06</time>
<p>Like imagine being one of his students.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:09</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:10</time>
<p>And all of a sudden you hears your teacher and like you hear this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:12</time>
<p>like massive reputation, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:14</time>
<p>How like I am sure there's plenty of young southern men soldiers that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:18</time>
<p>were ins truly inspired by that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:20</time>
<p>Um, you just thinking about putting yourself in their shoes and not,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:25</time>
<p>not calling one side or the other, but that's one of the things we</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:28</time>
<p>try to look at is what was it like?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:30</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:30</time>
<p>You know?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:31</time>
<p>And just, it's interesting thinking</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:33</time>
<p>about that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:34</time>
<p>Well, you, the other things I found interesting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:37</time>
<p>It, it's general B.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:38</time>
<p>Who makes that statement?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:39</time>
<p>Look, look at him standing there like a stonewall.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:42</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:42</time>
<p>Rally up behind the Virginians.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:45</time>
<p>They don't know if that was meant to be a compliment or if he was like mad at him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:50</time>
<p>Oh, interesting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:51</time>
<p>Uh, because B gets killed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:53</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:53</time>
<p>And they never get a chance for him to clarify his statement.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:56</time>
<p>Huh.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:56</time>
<p>So some people say he's mad, like, look at him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:58</time>
<p>Just stand there while we're trying to defend everything.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:02</time>
<p>Or it could be, look at him standing there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:04</time>
<p>Get behind him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:05</time>
<p>He, he's given us a lot of, uh, morale right now.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:08</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:08</time>
<p>So, and another thing I found interesting is that, All this time, Jackson</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:14</time>
<p>is wearing his blue Union uniform.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:17</time>
<p>He doesn't get the gray uniform until 1862.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:19</time>
<p>Oh really?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:20</time>
<p>So even when he gets the gravitation, Stonewall Jackson, he's wearing a blue.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:23</time>
<p>He's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:23</time>
<p>wearing the blue.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:23</time>
<p>Because you talked about in our other video that they hadn't really</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:26</time>
<p>settled on the blue versus gray.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:28</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:28</time>
<p>They had, and this is like two months after they seceded.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:31</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:32</time>
<p>So they haven't had time to like switch out uniforms and everything.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:34</time>
<p>So yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:35</time>
<p>So moving</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:35</time>
<p>back to Chancellorville.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:37</time>
<p>He got shot, he got dropped a couple times because it's probably the middle</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:40</time>
<p>of the night.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:40</time>
<p>Middle of the night trying to get him to a medical tent.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:43</time>
<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:43</time>
<p>And so it the, he gets shot late on May 2nd.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:48</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:49</time>
<p>Gets to the medical tent as you can see, pretty far away by foot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:53</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:55</time>
<p>Early, early morning, May 3rd.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:57</time>
<p>So it's about 2:00 AM His arm is amputated.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>We're showing if, if you're listening, we're showing on the live stream a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:02</time>
<p>kind of a, a picture of where Jackson was injured and where they actually</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:07</time>
<p>amputated his arm and even driving.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:09</time>
<p>It's a couple miles.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:10</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:10</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:10</time>
<p>So think about these guys carrying him in the middle of the night.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:12</time>
<p>I can understand why they, they probably dropped him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:15</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:15</time>
<p>Um, because they're, you're hitting a random ditch and all of a sudden someone</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:18</time>
<p>falls over and they accidentally drop.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:19</time>
<p>Drop that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:20</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:20</time>
<p>Um,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:21</time>
<p>so when he gets to the medical tent, hunter McGuire.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:24</time>
<p>Amputating limbs, like it's not, Jackson's arm is not the only</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:29</time>
<p>limb he's amputating that night.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:31</time>
<p>It's not like a pile outside.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:31</time>
<p>They have a pile outside.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:32</time>
<p>So that's what happens.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:34</time>
<p>That's crazy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:34</time>
<p>And you get Reverend James Power Smith who comes in in the morning</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:39</time>
<p>and sees that General Jackson's arm has been amputated and he asks where?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:46</time>
<p>Arm and they say, you know, McGuire says it's outside in the pile now.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:51</time>
<p>I think probably to distinguish his arm, maybe he put it off to the side, or maybe</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:56</time>
<p>he still has the general clothing on it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:58</time>
<p>I'm not really sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:59</time>
<p>Off the clothing?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:00</time>
<p>Yeah, I don't know.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:01</time>
<p>I don't know how he was able to distinguish, but somehow</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:02</time>
<p>was able to distinguish it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:03</time>
<p>That was general Stonewall Jackson's arm and his brother-in-law lives in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:08</time>
<p>a plantation as you, you can see on the map, like right across the field.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:13</time>
<p>Yeah, so it's not even Ellwood house is the levy plant.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:16</time>
<p>Brother</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:17</time>
<p>again, if you're listening, if you're listening, um, I encourage</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:20</time>
<p>you one to, to kind of look this up.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:22</time>
<p>I'll put in the podcast a notes description, a link to the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:26</time>
<p>Um, but it's, you know, Jackson was injured much further away.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:30</time>
<p>His arm was actually amputated at the hospital tent, and like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:32</time>
<p>you said, essentially across what we drove across the, the way.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:37</time>
<p>But probably it was probably like less than a mile.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:40</time>
<p>Less than a mile.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:40</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:40</time>
<p>Less, less than a mile.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:41</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:42</time>
<p>You know, over to this, over to this farmhouse.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:44</time>
<p>Um, to the, to the Ellwood house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:46</time>
<p>To the Elwood house where they would ultimately, uh, take</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:48</time>
<p>his arm and they take his arm and they bury it that day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:51</time>
<p>And it's not marked, but they give it a Christian funeral.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:54</time>
<p>They read from the scripture as they bury it, and they bury it in their fam</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:57</time>
<p>family cemetery, their family plot there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:01</time>
<p>And then Jackson is moved away from the battle, uh, to, to keep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:07</time>
<p>And he's moved to Guinea station.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:09</time>
<p>He's moved down to, uh, the chancellor home, and he's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:13</time>
<p>not even moved into the home.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:15</time>
<p>He's moved into their back like office shed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:18</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:19</time>
<p>And he, that's where he will eventually die eight days later,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:21</time>
<p>but they wanna move him away.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:24</time>
<p>Now, the Battle of Chancellorville will be a Confederate win, but Lee</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:29</time>
<p>sends a message when he hears of the, of Jackson having his, um, his arm am.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:37</time>
<p>And he knows that he, um, could be dying.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:42</time>
<p>He says, give General Jackson my affectionate regards and say</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:45</time>
<p>to him he lost his left arm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:48</time>
<p>But I, my right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:51</time>
<p>And that is the kind of the saying that goes with this whole demise because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:58</time>
<p>as most people know, this is a real turning point for the Confederacy because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:02</time>
<p>of what Jackson brought from morale.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:05</time>
<p>But it wasn't just morale, it's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:07</time>
<p>Lee and Jackson had together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:09</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:10</time>
<p>And they, they were both, and, and I think pretty much all</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:13</time>
<p>historians agree and mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:15</time>
<p>Um, even anecdotally, they'll say like, both of them are great</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:18</time>
<p>military minds, great strategists.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:19</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:20</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:20</time>
<p>And so that combined with.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:22</time>
<p>How long they'd been in and their stature, um, and then their</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:26</time>
<p>reputation at the same time, and some of the successes that they had.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:30</time>
<p>Again, if we go back to the Battle Bull run, nobody expected the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:33</time>
<p>Confederacy to win that battle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:34</time>
<p>No.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:35</time>
<p>Um, I mean, especially on the union side.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:37</time>
<p>So it just, it, it caught everybody flatfooted.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:39</time>
<p>So it was a drastic shift in momentum at the paddle bull run.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:43</time>
<p>And so the first couple years of, of the Civil War, I mean</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:46</time>
<p>the, the South really had.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:48</time>
<p>Really serious momentum.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:49</time>
<p>And that was Jackson and the thing that Lee and Jackson have together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:53</time>
<p>And I think the thing that Lee loves about Jackson is Lee can</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:56</time>
<p>basically tell Jackson his end game.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:59</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:59</time>
<p>He's like, this is what I want.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:01</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:01</time>
<p>And Jackson will get it done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:03</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:03</time>
<p>I'll, I'll go figure it out.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:04</time>
<p>And he figures it out.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:05</time>
<p>And that's, and people said Jackson was very quiet.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:08</time>
<p>He didn't really tell people his tactical plans, but he knew what Lee</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:13</time>
<p>wanted from whatever battle he was in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:15</time>
<p>He knew what, what Lee's outcome.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:18</time>
<p>Was, and so he would make that happen.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:20</time>
<p>And that made Lee, he trusted him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:22</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:23</time>
<p>So he felt like, I don't have to give him the step by step.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:25</time>
<p>I tell him what I want.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:26</time>
<p>He goes and executes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:28</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:28</time>
<p>And what's interesting now is too it, you know, we'll talk about actually</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:31</time>
<p>being there and filming the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:32</time>
<p>So there's two markers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:34</time>
<p>There's two markers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
<p>We, we found the, we found the two markers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:36</time>
<p>We kind of had to like, TRAs through the, you know, we had to be really careful.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:40</time>
<p>Tell the kids to stay in the car.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:41</time>
<p>We're like walking along the freeway to get to the one where he was wounded.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:45</time>
<p>The other one where his arm was actually amputated was a little bit easier.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:48</time>
<p>It's by like a winery now.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:49</time>
<p>Yeah, it's by, by a winery and actually it's on the battlefield.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:52</time>
<p>In the video description, I believe I put a Google Maps link</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:56</time>
<p>if you ever want to go visit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:57</time>
<p>I'm pretty sure I marked all the spots where we were.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:00</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:00</time>
<p>And in the Ellwood Manor.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:01</time>
<p>So it was actually, normally you can drive up to it, I think more in like the tourist</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:05</time>
<p>season.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:07</time>
<p>It was gated off.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:08</time>
<p>You could still walk to it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:09</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:10</time>
<p>Um, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:10</time>
<p>that's what we did.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:11</time>
<p>That's what we did.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:11</time>
<p>But we walked to, it was like maybe a quarter mile.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:13</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:13</time>
<p>But it was like 45 degrees.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:16</time>
<p>It was really, it was really cold.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:18</time>
<p>Kids were troopers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:19</time>
<p>But Elwood house, I mean, it's a decent sized house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:21</time>
<p>And one of the things about Elwood House was there, um, like a year later.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:26</time>
<p>A bunch of the union use it as headquarters for a while.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:28</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:28</time>
<p>So another, you know, these, these areas are kind of used over and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:31</time>
<p>over again when you think of Bull Run and the Battle of Manasas.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:34</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:34</time>
<p>I tell you like there's two battles there and people will call it the First Battle</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:38</time>
<p>of Manassas, or the first Battle of Bull Run and the second battle of Manassas.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:41</time>
<p>Like you don't know.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:42</time>
<p>And so Chancellorville, another battle that happens in that general</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:45</time>
<p>area is the battle of wilderness.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:47</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:47</time>
<p>And during the Battle of Wilderness, you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:51</time>
<p>The union setting up headquarters at Ellwood house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:55</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:55</time>
<p>And the, the marker for Jackson's arm didn't come till the early 19 hundreds.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:59</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:00</time>
<p>1903.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:00</time>
<p>And so they, they may not have even realized that, hey, Stonewall</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:04</time>
<p>Jackson's arm was buried like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:05</time>
<p>20 yards from here.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:06</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:06</time>
<p>Like if you go to the Ellwood house, the, the cemetery is just right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:10</time>
<p>Outside, it might be 50 yards away.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:12</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:12</time>
<p>And right by a big oak tree.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:14</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:14</time>
<p>And it's a family plot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:15</time>
<p>They say now that the markers for the family are no longer there, but</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:18</time>
<p>I'm sure at that time they were sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:20</time>
<p>And the arm isn't marked where today just the arm is marked.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:24</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:24</time>
<p>And there's no family marker Is um, now there's folklore</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:28</time>
<p>that the arm has been dug up.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:30</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:30</time>
<p>More than.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:31</time>
<p>But even in this, like the seventies, yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:34</time>
<p>But everybody, but from what I read, they still think the arm</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:37</time>
<p>is there in that cemetery, just not where the marker is today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:42</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:42</time>
<p>And the, uh, national Park Service is not gonna dig</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:44</time>
<p>and look for it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:45</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:45</time>
<p>And then last, last, but not least, we went to the place where</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:48</time>
<p>he actually died, where he died.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:49</time>
<p>And so that, um, on the map, they actually call it like a Stonewall Jackson Shrine.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:53</time>
<p>I didn't really see it as a shrine.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:55</time>
<p>It was basically just like a house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:56</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:56</time>
<p>It's like the, it, it's a little.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:59</time>
<p>Farmhouse.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:59</time>
<p>It, it was, like I said, the, the office store room for the Chancellor Plantation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:04</time>
<p>It was a plantation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:05</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:05</time>
<p>And so Jackson doesn't wanna go in the house and bother the people.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:09</time>
<p>They put him in this, that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:12</time>
<p>They make him as comfortable as they can in that and,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:14</time>
<p>and I think at that point he's like hallucinating.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:16</time>
<p>He's like, so the first couple days he doesn't, and then</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:18</time>
<p>when the pneumonia sets in Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:20</time>
<p>He really starts to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:21</time>
<p>hallucinating.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:21</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:22</time>
<p>He starts like giving orders to people, acting like he's on the battlefield.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:26</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:26</time>
<p>And he's with Hunter McGuire.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:27</time>
<p>His doctor is with him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:29</time>
<p>His wife will make it to his bedside before he dies.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:31</time>
<p>And their young daughter.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:32</time>
<p>That's right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:33</time>
<p>She's there with him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:34</time>
<p>And his final words are to Hunter McGuire.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:36</time>
<p>He says, let us cross over the river and rest beneath the shade of the.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:41</time>
<p>Which, which is interesting, like to, for that to be your last words.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:45</time>
<p>It's a very kind of, I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:46</time>
<p>think it's biblical.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:47</time>
<p>It's very poignant.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:48</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:48</time>
<p>Hen McGuire said he got like a, a, a smile on his face cuz he was very like, agitated</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:54</time>
<p>before that because he, like you said, he was like given battle orders, right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:57</time>
<p>Going up, uh, going up the hill and do this and do, and then Hunter said, he got</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:01</time>
<p>like a smile on his face and then said, you know, let's cross over the river and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:06</time>
<p>rest beneath the shade of the trees and.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:08</time>
<p>Line has inspired, even Ernest Hemingway uses that line.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:12</time>
<p>Oh, really?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:13</time>
<p>In the opening of one of his books.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:14</time>
<p>So it's like that, that lives in American history too.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:17</time>
<p>The Stonewall Jackson's last words were this kind of, you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:23</time>
<p>know, uh, I'm gonna go rest.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:25</time>
<p>Pleasant.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:25</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:26</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:26</time>
<p>Rest.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:27</time>
<p>My time is done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:28</time>
<p>I'm gonna rest beneath the shade of the trees like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:30</time>
<p>It's, it's a very, Historic thing to say.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:33</time>
<p>Yeah, that's, it was very interesting and, and being out there,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:36</time>
<p>we were, it was like February for us.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:39</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:39</time>
<p>So a lot of times it kinda wasn't open.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:41</time>
<p>Nothing, nothing was open, you know, but we show you everything,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:43</time>
<p>but we get to show you everything.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:44</time>
<p>We kind of peeked, peeked inside the windows a little bit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:47</time>
<p>And again, just being around in that area where there was union troops going</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:53</time>
<p>all throughout and Confederate troops going all throughout, I mean, all</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:56</time>
<p>this area, we were just driving around circles trying to find things, you know.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:00</time>
<p>That's where the war was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:01</time>
<p>happening.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:01</time>
<p>And it's interesting when he dies at Guinea station, he dies May 10th, 1863.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:07</time>
<p>It's right on a railroad line.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:08</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:08</time>
<p>Because the railroad came by right when we were there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:11</time>
<p>So after he dies, you know, they can put his body on the the train car and he</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:16</time>
<p>goes back to Richmond and his body lays in state at the governor's mansion at.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:21</time>
<p>Um, Jefferson Davis's house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:22</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:23</time>
<p>Which we have a video on which we've been there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:24</time>
<p>So you can imagine Stonewall Jackson's body laid, laid address there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:28</time>
<p>And then he was buried in, uh, Oak Grove Cemetery in Lexington, and his</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:32</time>
<p>wife was given the option to dig up the arm and bury him with his arm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:38</time>
<p>And when she heard that the arm had a Christian funeral, She said</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:45</time>
<p>Better better to leave it at rest.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:46</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:47</time>
<p>So that's why he's not buried with his arm is she decided And she</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:51</time>
<p>never remarries, she's considered the widow of the Confederacy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:55</time>
<p>Oh, that's,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:56</time>
<p>she gets a, does she kind of have that title?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:57</time>
<p>She</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:58</time>
<p>has that title.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:58</time>
<p>She writes two books about Jackson.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:00</time>
<p>Oh, interesting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:00</time>
<p>Um, and that's, uh, that's how she's kind of a martyr for the rest of her life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:05</time>
<p>But, uh, it was just a very interest.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:07</time>
<p>The quick demise of Jackson.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:10</time>
<p>Like it's a, it's fast and it's happens by his own men.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:14</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:14</time>
<p>Which I find interesting because so much of what Jackson did to, to boost</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:19</time>
<p>morale and put the air into, you know, the, the sails of his fellow</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:24</time>
<p>men, they, they completely suck the air out of the sails with his death</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:29</time>
<p>because he was killed by his own men.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:32</time>
<p>His arms amputated.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:33</time>
<p>He dies eight days later and that's it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:37</time>
<p>There have been historians who conjure, like if he was a Gettysburg, would it have</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:42</time>
<p>made a difference Because that first day the Confederacy waivers and doesn't take</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:47</time>
<p>Cemetery Ridge when they actually could have, because the union were regrouping.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:52</time>
<p>And Lee has said like, he would've known if he would've</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:55</time>
<p>told Jackson, I want that ridge.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:58</time>
<p>He would've made it happen instead of the Confederate General all</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:01</time>
<p>the time was like, oh no, we, we kind of himmed and hot a bit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:04</time>
<p>Yeah, we probably shouldn't do that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:06</time>
<p>And I think that, you know, losing Jackson is really what starts to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:10</time>
<p>undo the south and leave us, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:13</time>
<p>He lost his right hand man.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:15</time>
<p>And Jackson still lives on an infamy, just like we went into, uh, bull run,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:20</time>
<p>but, Even when we went to Richmond, Virginia, his statue was there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:24</time>
<p>Oh yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:24</time>
<p>Beside, uh, hunter McGuire.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:27</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:28</time>
<p>Right in the capitol of Richmond, Virginia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:30</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:30</time>
<p>Right, right there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:31</time>
<p>Right there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:31</time>
<p>Smack in the middle of everything.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:33</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:33</time>
<p>Um, it was, it was kind of a neat one to do because where the, where the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:37</time>
<p>arm is buried, where the Ellwood Manor house, it's, it's not close to too much.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:42</time>
<p>Um, no.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:43</time>
<p>It, it, we, I mean, we had to.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:45</time>
<p>Very intentionally go out there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:46</time>
<p>It's not like it's a quick trip away.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:48</time>
<p>I mean, I guess if you lived in Richmond, it was probably maybe</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:50</time>
<p>30, 40 minutes from Richmond.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:52</time>
<p>Um, yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:53</time>
<p>But we had to like very specifically go out there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:55</time>
<p>It's kind of in the middle of nowhere.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:57</time>
<p>There's not much around there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:58</time>
<p>There's some wineries.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:59</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:59</time>
<p>You know?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:00</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:00</time>
<p>That's pretty</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:01</time>
<p>much it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:01</time>
<p>That's pretty much it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:02</time>
<p>If you're going to like, maybe the battlefield of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:04</time>
<p>wilderness, you would see it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:05</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:06</time>
<p>Uh, I would say more people.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:09</time>
<p>We, we saw nobody at El, at El Woodhouse.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:12</time>
<p>More people were stopping at the, the death site of, of Jeff, of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:16</time>
<p>easier to Jackson, a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:18</time>
<p>little easier to get to.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:18</time>
<p>And they have a big sign on this, on the interstate, the main interstate that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:22</time>
<p>says Stone Stonewall Jackson death site.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:24</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:24</time>
<p>So I think more people saw that and pulled off and, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:28</time>
<p>wanted to go see the death site.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:30</time>
<p>And like I said, it's a house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:31</time>
<p>It has, it has a stone there, it has some little information</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:36</time>
<p>panels.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:37</time>
<p>Typical kind of, you know, national park.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:39</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:39</time>
<p>Kind of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:39</time>
<p>informational things, but that's about it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:40</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:41</time>
<p>It's not.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:42</time>
<p>It's not like too exciting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:43</time>
<p>And then I, if it's open, you can see like a bed frame in there and other things.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:48</time>
<p>But yeah, it's pretty basic.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:50</time>
<p>But it was neat to tell that entire story and that demise, especially since</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:54</time>
<p>we've been to bull run, especially since we've been able to kind of follow</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:59</time>
<p>his legacy from where he made his name to where he ba ended up losing it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:04</time>
<p>Right, right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:05</time>
<p>Where he lost his name and, and kinda an interesting kind of sub.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:08</time>
<p>Niche of history of these like famous appendages mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:12</time>
<p>That were forever separate, forever separated from the famous person that they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:16</time>
<p>used to be attached to.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:17</time>
<p>And it's funny how these appendages.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:20</time>
<p>Get their own story.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:23</time>
<p>Right, right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:23</time>
<p>Like they, these appendages actually live on, on their own.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:27</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:27</time>
<p>Without who They're connected to, uh, Jefferson Davis for a very long time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:31</time>
<p>I mean, Jefferson Davis, I'm sorry, Stonewall Jackson for a very long</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:33</time>
<p>time will be celebrated in Virginia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:36</time>
<p>His birthday is a holiday for a very long time until they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:40</time>
<p>switch, uh, into election day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:42</time>
<p>Oh, interesting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:44</time>
<p>So he's very much like, Still seen as, as the hero of the south.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:49</time>
<p>And if you go into vmi, you go into area, his home is still preserved.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:54</time>
<p>You can go visit his home.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:55</time>
<p>His horse is buried at vmi, uh, close to where the statue is at a vmi.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:02</time>
<p>What's his horse's name?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:03</time>
<p>Is it that like it say Old Sorl or something?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:05</time>
<p>Something, something like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:05</time>
<p>Okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:06</time>
<p>So when you go, if you ever go to, um, Stone Mountain in Virginia and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:11</time>
<p>they have the carving of Lee and Davis and Jackson on their horses.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:16</time>
<p>Oh really?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:16</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:18</time>
<p>Don't want Jackson's on his horse.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:19</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:20</time>
<p>Well, again, th this was just a, another one of those</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:22</time>
<p>neat ones because it's such an interesting story all by itself.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:26</time>
<p>Like you said, it, that story of his le of his left arm really kind of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:30</time>
<p>just is a story in and of itself.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:31</time>
<p>It lives by itself attached to, you know, not.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:34</time>
<p>Physically, but you know, attached to this famous, this larger than life</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:38</time>
<p>character and, and this interesting story and all these interesting little</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:42</time>
<p>kind of folklore, and people said this in the seventies, some Marines were out</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:46</time>
<p>there and maybe dug it up and gave a 21 gun salute and then reburied it and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:49</time>
<p>all this crazy stuff like start Google.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:52</time>
<p>Google some of the stories around Jackson's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:53</time>
<p>Left arm sometime, and, uh, I, I think you'll have a good evening at home.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:58</time>
<p>Kind of just smiling.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:59</time>
<p>So, legends of the past are often seen as larger than life succeeding at every</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:05</time>
<p>turn, overcoming insurmountable odds and almost invulnerable to injury or death.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:11</time>
<p>In the early part of the Civil War, no one fit that description</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:14</time>
<p>better than Stonewall Jackson.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:16</time>
<p>But if you've been paying attention, Jackson was only that larger than</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:21</time>
<p>life character for barely half.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:23</time>
<p>A civil war.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:25</time>
<p>His loss was so significant that even General Lee wrote, Jackson has lost</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:30</time>
<p>his left arm, but I have lost my right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:33</time>
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