Martin Luther King | Historic Memphis Road Trip to the Lorraine Motel

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<p>it was warmer than normal on April 3rd, 1968, and a crowd was gathering in</p>
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<p>the Mason Temple in Memphis, Tennessee.</p>
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<p>Two months prior.</p>
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<p>There had been strikes happening in Memphis, yet on this fateful</p>
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<p>Wednesday night, locals had gathered to hear a speech from civil</p>
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<p>rights leaders around the country.</p>
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<p>As one of these leaders stepped up to the podium, the murmurs quieted, and</p>
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<p>the preacher turned activist, gave his thanks to the speaker before him,</p>
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<p>and then this ordained minister said,</p>
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<p>Something is happening in Memphis.</p>
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<p>Something is happening in our world,</p>
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<p>and you know, if I was standing.</p>
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<p>At the beginning of time with the possibility of taking a kind of</p>
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<p>general and panoramic view of the whole of human history up to now,</p>
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<p>and the Almighty said to me, Martin Luther King, which age would you like to live?</p>
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<p>I would go on even to the great heyday of the Roman Empire.</p>
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<p>But I wouldn't stop there.</p>
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<p>I would even come up to the day of the Renaissance.</p>
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<p>But I wouldn't stop there.</p>
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<p>I would come on up even to 1863 and watch a vacillating president by</p>
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<p>the name of Abraham Lincoln finally.</p>
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<p>Come to the conclusion that he had to sign the Emancipation Proclamation,</p>
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<p>but I wouldn't stop there.</p>
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<p>Strangely enough, I would turn to the almighty.</p>
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<p>And say, if you allow me to live just a few years in the second half</p>
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<p>of the 20th century, I will be happy</p>
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<p>Now.</p>
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<p>That's a strange statement to make because the world is all messed up.</p>
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<p>The nation is sick.</p>
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<p>Trouble is in the land.</p>
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<p>Confusion all around.</p>
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<p>That's a strange statement,</p>
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<p>but I know somehow that only when it is dark enough can you see the stars</p>
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<p>The masses of people arising up and wherever they are</p>
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<p>the cry is always the same.</p>
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<p>We want to be free.</p>
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<p>That man was Martin Luther King and that mountaintop speech would be his last.</p>
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<p>Welcome to Talk with History I am your host Scott, here with</p>
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<p>my wife and historian Jen.</p>
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<p>couple zeros on the end of that.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And then.</p>
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<p>Couple more after that to catch.</p>
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<p>So just, I keep warning them one day it's gonna happen.</p>
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<p>. Jenn: So today is April 4th</p>
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<p>of the assassination of Dr.</p>
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<p>Martin Luther King.</p>
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<p>That's right.</p>
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<p>In Memphis, Tennessee.</p>
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<p>Now we did a video on it.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>So let's, so why don't we tell our folks about the video and about us</p>
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<p>living out there, and let's give us</p>
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<p>some background here.</p>
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<p>So we did a video.</p>
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<p>A while ago.</p>
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<p>Yeah, it was like over a year ago.</p>
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<p>Over a year ago.</p>
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<p>And I so most people who follow our channel know my master's degree</p>
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<p>was from the University of Memphis.</p>
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<p>So it's hard, I would say you can't even live in Memphis without being</p>
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<p>exposed to the history of Memphis.</p>
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<p>And one of the big things is the assassination of Doc Martha Luther King in</p>
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<p>Memphis, Tennessee at the Lorraine Motel.</p>
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<p>Most people will not even know that he was assassinated in Memphis.</p>
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<p>They'll know he was assassinated, but I don't even think we even knew</p>
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<p>until we moved there that it was in Memphis, Tennessee and there's a whole.</p>
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<p>Story about why he is in Memphis and what's going on in Memphis</p>
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<p>and what the violence is about.</p>
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<p>And we learned all, I learned all of that.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And we happened to live there at the time, in 2018 when it was the 50th</p>
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<p>anniversary of his assassination.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And</p>
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<p>this was before the channel?</p>
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<p>This was before Walk with History.</p>
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<p>Was even a thing.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>You know, this was long before that, right?</p>
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<p>You the Yes.</p>
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<p>The history fan.</p>
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<p>And I think you had started your</p>
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<p>graduate work.</p>
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<p>I started my graduate work.</p>
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<p>So that day we had done an unveiling of a marker around Nathan Bedford Forest.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>There is a marker where his business, his slave trade, his human</p>
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<p>trafficking business was in back of a calvary church in Oh, interesting.</p>
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<p>Memphis, Tennessee.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And that marker just.</p>
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<p>It was put up in the sixties and it says, you know, Nathan Bedford</p>
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<p>Forest, the great hero of Memphis.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>This is where his business was.</p>
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<p>And so on that day, we unveiled another marker to, to be alongside that one.</p>
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<p>Cause we're not gonna take that one down.</p>
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<p>That said, His business was, yeah, slave Trading.</p>
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<p>Trading.</p>
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<p>Oh, interesting.</p>
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<p>People he sold so many people's lives were torn apart.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>So that's why you were out in that area?</p>
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<p>That's why I was on that area.</p>
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<p>Okay.</p>
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<p>And it was part of the celebration.</p>
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<p>I forgot that.</p>
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<p>And so then after that, I had walked down the street.</p>
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<p>From Calvary Church to the Lorraine Motel, and I got there about four o'clock.</p>
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<p>Martin Luther King was assassinated, 6:01 PM and they were gonna ring the bell.</p>
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<p>They've been gonna put the wreath up.</p>
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<p>So I sit in the lawn, which is right across from the Lorraine</p>
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<p>Motel, and I talked to people and I asked people, why are you here?</p>
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<p>What did Martin Luther King mean to you?</p>
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<p>I just had a lot of questions and I watched it and I filmed</p>
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<p>it and it's on Instagram.</p>
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<p>Yep.</p>
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<p>If you'd like to</p>
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<p>see it right now.</p>
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<p>Yep.</p>
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<p>If I remember correctly, this is one of those things that</p>
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<p>we knew a little bit about.</p>
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<p>But you had learned a pretty significant amount during your graduate</p>
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<p>work, and also just being out there talking to the people out there</p>
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<p>and going through the museum more.</p>
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<p>So walk us</p>
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<p>through that a little bit.</p>
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<p>So why is Dr.</p>
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<p>Martin Luther King in Memphis to begin with?</p>
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<p>He's not from Memphis, he's not buried in Memphis.</p>
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<p>He's buried in Atlanta, Georgia.</p>
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<p>That's where he's from.</p>
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<p>So why is he in Memphis, Tennessee?</p>
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<p>So what is going on?</p>
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<p>And we learned this a lot living there is, it's a very racially</p>
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<p>charged, segregated area.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>Even today they still feel a lot of that.</p>
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<p>At the time it was definitely Jim Crow.</p>
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<p>Racially segregated.</p>
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<p>And the Lorraine Motel, where Martin Luther King was staying was a black motel.</p>
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<p>So you were separated based on race.</p>
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<p>And the Lorraine Motel was actually like in the Green book,</p>
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<p>like if the actual travel book.</p>
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<p>And it was at na, it was the upscale black motel.</p>
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<p>And we talk about how Nat King Cole stayed there and yeah, Joe Gibson stayed there.</p>
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<p>And so Martin Luther King, when, if he would visit Memphis would stay there.</p>
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<p>And at the time in Memphis, you get a lot of social unrest because the</p>
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<p>sanitation strike is happening in Memphis.</p>
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<p>I didn't even know what that was.</p>
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<p>So what?</p>
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<p>Until I moved to Memphis.</p>
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<p>What was the sanitation strike?</p>
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<p>So what is happening is in February 1st, 1968.</p>
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<p>Two men Ethel Cole and Robert Walker are killed by a garbage</p>
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<p>truck and their garbage workers and garbage trucks are segregated.</p>
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<p>Even garbage workers are segregated where the white workers would drive the</p>
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<p>truck and the black workers had to like, sit in the back where the garbage went.</p>
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<p>Oh, wow.</p>
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<p>And ride along.</p>
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<p>They climbed in the back of the truck cuz it was raining and the</p>
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<p>truck malfunctioned and killed them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:42</time>
<p>Pulled them into the truck and killed them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:44</time>
<p>Oh geez.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:45</time>
<p>And that was like enough for the African American workers, sanitation</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:51</time>
<p>workers to say, that's enough.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:52</time>
<p>We're going on strike.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:53</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:53</time>
<p>We can't do this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:54</time>
<p>It's not safe.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:54</time>
<p>It's not safe.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:55</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:55</time>
<p>And it's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:07:57</time>
<p>It wasn't like they were gonna even acknowledge that death</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:00</time>
<p>and the unsafe conditions.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:02</time>
<p>Not only that, they're not getting paid the same amount, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:05</time>
<p>They're not getting uniforms.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:06</time>
<p>They're not allowed to have days off.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:08</time>
<p>They're not allowed to call in sick.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:10</time>
<p>They're not allowed to come in late.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:11</time>
<p>Like they're not allow allowed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:12</time>
<p>So that was like the last straw.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:14</time>
<p>It was the last straw.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:15</time>
<p>So they all worked, walked off the.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:17</time>
<p>And you can imagine if garbage workers were walking off the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:21</time>
<p>job in the big city of Memphis.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:23</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:24</time>
<p>What it's getting like in the city.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:26</time>
<p>Oh man.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:27</time>
<p>So they walk off the job February 1st, and so the strike really</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:30</time>
<p>takes place from February 12th.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:32</time>
<p>And it's gonna end on April 16th.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:34</time>
<p>So Martin Luther King comes to Memphis in support of this strike</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:38</time>
<p>because it's getting a lot of recognition nationally, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:42</time>
<p>And he comes there in March, the end of March 28th, and he</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:47</time>
<p>wants to have a demonstration.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:49</time>
<p>What happens is this a lot of.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:53</time>
<p>High school kids come to this demonstration, oh, and they start to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:57</time>
<p>get violent and they start to loot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:59</time>
<p>And so king leaves because he calls for nonviolent.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:03</time>
<p>So he leaves, he and a 16 year old kid is killed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:07</time>
<p>He is seen carrying a television by a police officer.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:12</time>
<p>There are reports, he put the television down, the police officer shoots him</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:15</time>
<p>right in the chest and kills him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:16</time>
<p>So King doesn't wanna be associated with that, doesn't wanna be</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:20</time>
<p>associated with that death.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:22</time>
<p>But he just, but he doesn't wanna be a quitter.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:25</time>
<p>So he wants to come back and finish what he</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:27</time>
<p>started.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:27</time>
<p>So was this was like, like a week before or just a couple</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:30</time>
<p>days before?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:30</time>
<p>So it's March 28th.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:31</time>
<p>Okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:32</time>
<p>And his name was just a couple days.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:33</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:33</time>
<p>Larry Payne, 16 years old.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:35</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:36</time>
<p>He's buried April 2nd.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:38</time>
<p>And you can imagine he gives, I have seen the mountaintop teach April 3rd on</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:41</time>
<p>April 3rd, so he gets there April 3rd.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:43</time>
<p>Now, the sanitation strike, you might know if you have seen those.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:47</time>
<p>I am a man posters.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:49</time>
<p>Those I am a man.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:50</time>
<p>Posters come from the sanitation strike.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:52</time>
<p>And this is a way again, of.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:56</time>
<p>Showing people like we are being segregated, we're being</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>treated differently just based on the color of our skin, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:02</time>
<p>We're doing the same job.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:04</time>
<p>We're both garbage workers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:06</time>
<p>We're both laborers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:07</time>
<p>We both deserve to be respected.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:10</time>
<p>And you see a white person in this picture, What the sanitation</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:14</time>
<p>strike gets even through Dr.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:15</time>
<p>Martin Luther King is a lot of union backing from a around the nation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:19</time>
<p>Oh, interesting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:20</time>
<p>So you get like the Italian unions.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:22</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:22</time>
<p>You get the Polish Union, they come down because they also feel like if we can</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:27</time>
<p>support this strike it reinforces our</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:29</time>
<p>message.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:30</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:30</time>
<p>It it reinforces the whole union, a lot of the union mentality.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:34</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:34</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:34</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:35</time>
<p>So Martin Luther King comes back to Memphis.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:38</time>
<p>He had left Memphis.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:39</time>
<p>Larry Payne was killed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:40</time>
<p>He had come back to Memphis.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:41</time>
<p>He's not a quitter.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:42</time>
<p>I'm gonna do this non-violent march, but the judge has put an injunction</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:48</time>
<p>on Memphis since that boy was killed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:50</time>
<p>There will be no demonstrations.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:52</time>
<p>So Martin Luther King has come here to meet with the judge</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:55</time>
<p>to get that injunction lifted.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:57</time>
<p>So on April 3rd, He's in his hotel.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:01</time>
<p>He's in room with 3 0 6 in the Lorraine Motel, and there was talk that he might</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:06</time>
<p>go to the Church of God in Christ.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:08</time>
<p>It's not Did, did you say like he wasn't feeling</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:09</time>
<p>well?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:10</time>
<p>He wasn't.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:10</time>
<p>And he didn't really wanna go and it was a really rainy, rainy</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:12</time>
<p>night.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:13</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:13</time>
<p>And I looked it up.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:14</time>
<p>It actually was like warmer than normal.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:16</time>
<p>Which your fear in Memphis in the South, that just means</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:17</time>
<p>it was like nice and humid.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:19</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:19</time>
<p>Summer came</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:19</time>
<p>early.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:20</time>
<p>Yeah, and it was stormy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:22</time>
<p>And it's not close.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:23</time>
<p>Like you said, if you saw on our video, it's not like they're</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:27</time>
<p>right down the street from each other, you'd have to take a car.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:29</time>
<p>It's a good mile, two miles away.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:32</time>
<p>So he gets a call from one of the people at the Church of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:36</time>
<p>God in Christ, and he's it's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:39</time>
<p>Packed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:39</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:39</time>
<p>There's 2000 people here.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:40</time>
<p>There's 2000 people there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:41</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:41</time>
<p>And they have braved the storms and they have worn their Sunday best.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:46</time>
<p>And they are sitting in these seats.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:48</time>
<p>They're</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:48</time>
<p>fanning themselves.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:49</time>
<p>So did they know, did they come specifically to see Martin Luther King?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:52</time>
<p>Was he like the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:53</time>
<p>headliner essentially?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:54</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:54</time>
<p>They had heard he might come, if he comes to town, he might come here and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:57</time>
<p>talk.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:57</time>
<p>That kind of thing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:58</time>
<p>He had just tried to.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:59</time>
<p>Few days prior.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:00</time>
<p>So they would know that he was in the area?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:01</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:01</time>
<p>Okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:02</time>
<p>So that makes sense.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:03</time>
<p>So he's okay, I'll come down.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:04</time>
<p>And what's interesting about the I have seen the mountaintop</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:07</time>
<p>speech and I have seen the speech.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:09</time>
<p>It is it looks like it's been written quickly and revisioned a lot</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:14</time>
<p>cross down.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:15</time>
<p>It's actually very good.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:16</time>
<p>I was reading through it and I quoted it in the intro.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:18</time>
<p>And I summarized some parts of it just to make it a little bit shorter.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:20</time>
<p>But it's, he's a fantastic speaker.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:23</time>
<p>He's a pastor.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:24</time>
<p>He's a pastor.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:25</time>
<p>You can tell he knows his craft, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:27</time>
<p>He knows his craft.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:28</time>
<p>Even just reading it, I was like, oh yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:30</time>
<p>This is really good.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:31</time>
<p>I encourage you to go out and take a just Google that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:33</time>
<p>I haven't seen the mountaintop speech.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:35</time>
<p>Cuz even just reading through it, I was like, Man, even just reading</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:38</time>
<p>it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:38</time>
<p>This is good.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:38</time>
<p>It's good.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:39</time>
<p>And the University of Memphis had it on loan In the library.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:43</time>
<p>Lobby.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:43</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:43</time>
<p>So I got to see it and just all the writing and the revisions.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:47</time>
<p>That's cool.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:48</time>
<p>But he had a message and he's very good at Ebbing and flowing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:52</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:52</time>
<p>With the message.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:53</time>
<p>So he comes to the Church of God in Christ.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:56</time>
<p>He delivers, I have seen the mountaintop speech.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:58</time>
<p>That speech is gonna have so much more impact after he's killed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:03</time>
<p>The next day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:03</time>
<p>Yeah, the next day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:04</time>
<p>Because it's so foreboding.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:06</time>
<p>Because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:06</time>
<p>one of his lines is</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:07</time>
<p>You know, I may not get there with you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:08</time>
<p>I may not get there with you, but that's okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:11</time>
<p>You know?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:11</time>
<p>It was crazy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:12</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:12</time>
<p>That doesn't matter to me now.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:14</time>
<p>Like it sounds like he like knew it's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:17</time>
<p>Did someone call him ahead of time?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:19</time>
<p>It's like he, he knew it's eerie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:21</time>
<p>It,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:21</time>
<p>it really is.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:22</time>
<p>And I remember when I was making the video right, and if, I'm sure</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:26</time>
<p>anybody watching this live stream or anybody that watches his slater has</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:29</time>
<p>probably seen snippets of the speech.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:31</time>
<p>But go and find, you know, a longer clip of the speech and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:35</time>
<p>it really just is so powerful.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:38</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:38</time>
<p>When, and especially with the knowledge now.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:42</time>
<p>That this is his last speech.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:43</time>
<p>His last speech.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:44</time>
<p>Less than 24 hours later, he's going to,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:47</time>
<p>he's gonna get shot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:48</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:48</time>
<p>And I don't think you could deliver a better speech.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:51</time>
<p>No.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:52</time>
<p>It's a, it's really is amazing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:53</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:54</time>
<p>So the next day they're going to meet with the judge left the injunction.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:00</time>
<p>They have met with him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:00</time>
<p>The judge has been supposed to, Lift it the next day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:04</time>
<p>So he would probably do the march on April 5th,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:06</time>
<p>and he even brings it up in his speech.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:07</time>
<p>He says things like that, we're not gonna let any injunction stop us.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:10</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:10</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:10</time>
<p>So he's there addressing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:12</time>
<p>All these things that are going on.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:14</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:14</time>
<p>He's not there just giving a sermon.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:15</time>
<p>He's there addressing the strike and the injunction and all the stuff, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:18</time>
<p>he's using, if you've l he's talking about the constitution.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:21</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:22</time>
<p>So he's talking about I heard, I read somewhere that you're allowed to protest.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:25</time>
<p>I read somewhere You're allowed freedom of assembly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Martin Luther King Jr.:</cite>
<time>00:14:27</time>
<p>But somewhere I read of the freedom of assembly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Martin Luther King Jr.:</cite>
<time>00:14:32</time>
<p>Somewhere I read the Freedom of Speech.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Martin Luther King Jr.:</cite>
<time>00:14:36</time>
<p>Yes, somewhere.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Martin Luther King Jr.:</cite>
<time>00:14:37</time>
<p>I read of the Freedom of press somewhere.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Martin Luther King Jr.:</cite>
<time>00:14:41</time>
<p>I read that The Greatness of America is the right to protest for right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:48</time>
<p>So he's definitely like pushing that they're going to have a peaceful protest.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:53</time>
<p>And so the next day, April 4th.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:56</time>
<p>They meet with the judge.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:57</time>
<p>The injunctions supposed to be lifted the next day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:00</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:00</time>
<p>And then it's dinner time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:03</time>
<p>Comes out on the balcony.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:04</time>
<p>He's speaking to a couple gentlemen.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:06</time>
<p>Of course.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:07</time>
<p>You think about it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:07</time>
<p>He's going to a church for dinner.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:09</time>
<p>The ladies had brought in dinner.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:11</time>
<p>So is that, so did he have plans to go out in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:13</time>
<p>That evening?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:14</time>
<p>Yeah, he was, he's speaking to someone in the parking lot telling</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:17</time>
<p>them, okay, let's get ready.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:18</time>
<p>We'll go.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:18</time>
<p>And he asks them, make sure they play this hymn that I like.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:22</time>
<p>Make sure the ladies there play this hym.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:24</time>
<p>I really like this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:24</time>
<p>Interesting, this Hym.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:25</time>
<p>So he's telling them what hymn he wants them to play.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:27</time>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:28</time>
<p>And most people don't know.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:30</time>
<p>He actually came out to smoke a cigarette because Martin</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:34</time>
<p>Luther King was also a smoker.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:35</time>
<p>Although you don't see many pictures or know that about him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:37</time>
<p>I don't think I knew that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:38</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:38</time>
<p>So he's out there smoking and he gets shot right through the jugular.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:42</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:43</time>
<p>It's almost like a instant wound, but he will, he doesn't die</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:47</time>
<p>instantaneously and it's one shot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:52</time>
<p>And you can see from the picture they point right across if they're, at the time</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:56</time>
<p>the Lorraine Motel had a swimming pool.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:59</time>
<p>In the parking In a parking lot?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:00</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:00</time>
<p>In Woodside.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:01</time>
<p>And there's like an alleyway and there's the boarding house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:03</time>
<p>And this is an alley, a shared alleyway between the back of the hotel, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:06</time>
<p>And the boarding house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:07</time>
<p>And so they're pointing at the boarding house and James Earl Ray is staying in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:12</time>
<p>that boarding house they're pointing at.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:14</time>
<p>And the bullet shot comes from that little window on the far right and that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:18</time>
<p>is the bathroom of the boarding house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:21</time>
<p>James Earl Ray's room is basically centered in the boarding house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:24</time>
<p>There's no windows, but he stakes out in the bathroom.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:28</time>
<p>And watches for King to come out on the balcony.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:30</time>
<p>So he's really prepared.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:33</time>
<p>He's oh, for sure pre-planned.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:34</time>
<p>There's no doubt</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:35</time>
<p>he's followed his movements.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:36</time>
<p>This wasn't by chance.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:37</time>
<p>Wasn't by chance.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:37</time>
<p>He has the rifle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:39</time>
<p>Now, what's interesting and the things I bring up in the video is that's not, to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:44</time>
<p>me, it doesn't look like an easy shot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:47</time>
<p>It's a far distance.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:49</time>
<p>It's not like he practiced.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:50</time>
<p>It's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:51</time>
<p>a, it's a straight shot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:52</time>
<p>It's a straight shot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:52</time>
<p>It's a straight shot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:53</time>
<p>So for someone who didn't practice, which we find out later that James</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:57</time>
<p>Earl Ray hadn't been practicing</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:58</time>
<p>and he is not known for being a shooter.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:00</time>
<p>It's not like he has a military record like Lee Harvey Oswald,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:02</time>
<p>that he's, it's practice.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:03</time>
<p>It's decently.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:04</time>
<p>It's decently far, you know, it's not it's like from one building to another</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:07</time>
<p>and there's a small alley, like he's across the street across a parking</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:10</time>
<p>lot, and I'm not think you couldn't make it, but usually</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:12</time>
<p>you need a tracking shot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:14</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:14</time>
<p>That's, if you ever saw that movie with Jack Reacher one shot, most</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:18</time>
<p>people who shoot need one shot to get a, to figure out, get a, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:21</time>
<p>A tra a tracking shot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:22</time>
<p>But Dr.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:23</time>
<p>Martin Luther King is immediately rushed to the hospital.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:25</time>
<p>It's a segregated hospital.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:27</time>
<p>It's, we're St.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:28</time>
<p>Jude stands today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:29</time>
<p>Oh, I don't think I realize that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:31</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:31</time>
<p>So if you think about it, it's not close.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:33</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:34</time>
<p>That's a little ways away.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:34</time>
<p>It's a little ways away.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:35</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:36</time>
<p>You have to go across the city.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:37</time>
<p>And then he's declared dead at seven 30.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:40</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:40</time>
<p>It's about an hour and a half later.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:43</time>
<p>Now aftermath.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:45</time>
<p>James Earl Ray fires the one shot, throws the rifle onto the bedspread in the room.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:50</time>
<p>He's staying in with all this other evidence that's on the bedspread.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:54</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:55</time>
<p>Doesn't he just kinda wrap it up in the bedspread?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:56</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:56</time>
<p>He gathers up the bedspread.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:58</time>
<p>Kinda like a hobo, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:59</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:59</time>
<p>Like in your sack.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:01</time>
<p>Throws it over his shoulder, runs out the boarding house, the front door.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:04</time>
<p>So he's not in the alleyway door.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:06</time>
<p>He's across in the front door.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:08</time>
<p>And he sees a police car and it's Not with his lights on or</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:11</time>
<p>anything, he just sees a police car.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:12</time>
<p>And so he said he was scared, so he threw everything in the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:16</time>
<p>doorway of the boarding house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:18</time>
<p>So he just left all the evidence right there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:19</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:20</time>
<p>Fingerprint, everything.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:21</time>
<p>It's all right there for you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:23</time>
<p>And he hops in his Mustang.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:24</time>
<p>He has a white Mustang, drives it to Canada, able to make it across</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:28</time>
<p>to London, and it's in London, that his passport gets flagged and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:32</time>
<p>he's extradited back to Memphis.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:34</time>
<p>So that's a, and I can talk, we'll talk about what happens</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:36</time>
<p>to James Earl Ray after that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:39</time>
<p>King is killed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:41</time>
<p>The city goes into chaos.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:43</time>
<p>They're not sure what, you know, riots start to happen.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:45</time>
<p>I, this is something else I learned in grad school.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:47</time>
<p>I did not know riots happened across the nation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:50</time>
<p>I think I forgot that when King was killed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:51</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:52</time>
<p>And so they're very nervous about riots in Memphis.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:54</time>
<p>If you can imagine.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:55</time>
<p>You know, you can imagine.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:56</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:56</time>
<p>So Coretta Scott King comes to Memphis.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:59</time>
<p>Not only to get his body, but she finishes the march.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:03</time>
<p>The</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:03</time>
<p>March, that's right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:04</time>
<p>And they do like the peaceful</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:05</time>
<p>march.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:06</time>
<p>So they do a silent march.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:07</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:08</time>
<p>April 8th.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:08</time>
<p>So if you think of her tracking the dates here.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:11</time>
<p>Larry Payne is buried April 2nd.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:13</time>
<p>I have seen, I have been to the mountaintop.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:16</time>
<p>April 3rd shot, April 4th.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:18</time>
<p>April 8th.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:19</time>
<p>Credit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:20</time>
<p>Scott's doing the silent march.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:21</time>
<p>Everything's happening.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:22</time>
<p>Good grief, relatively</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:23</time>
<p>quickly, and they're all within basically the span of a week.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:26</time>
<p>And so 42,000 people come to do that silent march with her, and that's when</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:31</time>
<p>you're gonna get like a huge national.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:36</time>
<p>Awareness.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:37</time>
<p>And that's when Memphis is we've gotta end this strike.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:39</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:40</time>
<p>So eight days later, the strike has ended, the sanitation</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:44</time>
<p>workers are allowed to unionize.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:46</time>
<p>Oh, okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:46</time>
<p>The African American and they get increase in wages.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:49</time>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:50</time>
<p>So the sanitation strike is over, but it is cost the life of Dr.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:55</time>
<p>Martin Luther King.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:55</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:56</time>
<p>So the other things that I talk about in the video,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:59</time>
<p>the plot to Kill King.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:00</time>
<p>And there's a book that I read for grad school called The Plot to Kill</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:03</time>
<p>King because I was very much under the assumption, and I'm not a conspiracy</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:10</time>
<p>theorist, that it was James Earl Ray.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:12</time>
<p>They have the gun that is kind our have the fingerprint.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:15</time>
<p>We, Lou learned.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:16</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:16</time>
<p>Growing up.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:16</time>
<p>He comes back to, now he's extradited back to Memphis and in March, so he gets</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:21</time>
<p>about, he gets away for almost a year.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:24</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:24</time>
<p>He pleads guilty.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:26</time>
<p>He pleads guilty.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:28</time>
<p>He doesn't have to testify.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:29</time>
<p>It's very simple.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:31</time>
<p>99 years in prison and that's it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:34</time>
<p>It's, that's it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:35</time>
<p>Gavel.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:35</time>
<p>You're done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:35</time>
<p>You're in prison.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:36</time>
<p>And then it's two days later he cans and he says, I'm not guilty.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:40</time>
<p>I was a patsy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:41</time>
<p>I had met this person.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:43</time>
<p>Gives a whole story there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:44</time>
<p>The king family will visit him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:46</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:46</time>
<p>Get more information from him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:48</time>
<p>He maintains that for the rest of his life, he'll, he will die in prison.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:52</time>
<p>And so Corretta King will bring a civil suit against the city of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:55</time>
<p>Memphis with some of that evidence.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:57</time>
<p>And one of the things that comes out with that evidence is what I talked</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:03</time>
<p>about in the video, that there was a Memphis police officer That's right,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:06</time>
<p>who practiced the entire day before, so April 3rd in the range with the same</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:13</time>
<p>type of rifle that was used to kill Dr.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:16</time>
<p>Martin Luther King.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:17</time>
<p>And I was like, when I first read that, I was like, okay, coincidence.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:22</time>
<p>The very next day after the assassination happens, the city comes out and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:29</time>
<p>cleans out all of those bushes and there's a bunch of bushes and garbage</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:34</time>
<p>and things back here in the alley.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:35</time>
<p>They have it all cleaned out.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:39</time>
<p>Which is interesting because they're still studying this assassination case.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:43</time>
<p>But here they clean out everything, so you can't even find it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:46</time>
<p>What if James Earl Ray walked back there and left them footprints?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:49</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:49</time>
<p>They just clean it all out.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:51</time>
<p>So that made me go, huh?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:53</time>
<p>Things that make you go, and then, Where I'm pointing here, that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:57</time>
<p>brick building is a fire station and that was a fire station.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:00</time>
<p>Then</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:00</time>
<p>For those listening, we're showing a video of our</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:03</time>
<p>Martin Luther King last day's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:05</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:05</time>
<p>Video on the live stream.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:07</time>
<p>So if you're listening to the podcast, you know, Go head over to the channel</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:10</time>
<p>and kind of search for Martin Luther King and you'll find the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:13</time>
<p>But Jen, I'm, we're showing here the Lorraine Motel, and then right</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:17</time>
<p>across the street is the boarding house where James Earl Ray was.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:20</time>
<p>And then you were pointing out one of the other</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:22</time>
<p>buildings, so like diagonal from the Lorraine Motel is a fire station.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:26</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:26</time>
<p>And it was a fire station even then in 1968.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:29</time>
<p>And they had sent all the African American firefighters home early that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:33</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:33</time>
<p>They had just said they just not</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:34</time>
<p>needed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:35</time>
<p>And what was interesting to me, and I think we talked about this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:36</time>
<p>in one of our very early podcasts was when you were in grad school.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:40</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:40</time>
<p>And in one of your classes in this topic came up and I think you were a lot of the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:46</time>
<p>people who lived or grew up in the area.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:48</time>
<p>And we're, I think even maybe a little bit younger than you, in grad school you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:51</time>
<p>have varying ages, but all of them said,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:53</time>
<p>oh yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:54</time>
<p>The FBI did it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:55</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:56</time>
<p>And I was the one who's it was James Earl Ray.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:58</time>
<p>And</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:58</time>
<p>everybody just kinda looked to you like you were totally stranger.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:00</time>
<p>Like it was totally, don't you know that, it was the FBI or it was law</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:04</time>
<p>enforcement or that the other felt I'm surrounded by conspiracy theorists.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:07</time>
<p>But when I read the book, it was very interesting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:09</time>
<p>It was, and they had documentation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:12</time>
<p>They had the actual.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:13</time>
<p>Records of the shooting range.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:15</time>
<p>They had the record of them cleaning out the alleyway.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:19</time>
<p>They showed the discharge lists of the firefighters going home.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:23</time>
<p>And the thing that sealed the deal for me Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:26</time>
<p>Was the coroner.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:28</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:28</time>
<p>So the coroner was actually, it's actually the same corner</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:31</time>
<p>who declared Elvis Presley dead.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:33</time>
<p>Yeah, that's right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:33</time>
<p>Was the one who declared Martin Luther King dead and he did</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:38</time>
<p>not do bullet trajectory.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:40</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:40</time>
<p>Now and you said to me, That they had done bull trajectory for, was it jfk?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:46</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:47</time>
<p>That was four or five years prior.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:48</time>
<p>Five years prior.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:49</time>
<p>Five years.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:50</time>
<p>So the technology was there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:51</time>
<p>Oh yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:51</time>
<p>The technique was there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:52</time>
<p>Law enforcement knew how to do that, and they were just like, yeah, we're</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:56</time>
<p>not gonna do that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:57</time>
<p>So you can make an argument.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:59</time>
<p>They didn't do it because of.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:01</time>
<p>Social norms.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:02</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:02</time>
<p>The this corner is white.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:04</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:04</time>
<p>And he probably doesn't what, maybe he doesn't think the person is, the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:07</time>
<p>Martin Luther King was substantial.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:09</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:09</time>
<p>To do that kind of research on that could be an argument, especially</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:12</time>
<p>in Memphis, Tennessee in 1968.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:14</time>
<p>But it's not like the.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:16</time>
<p>The process wasn't there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:17</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:17</time>
<p>It, and almost if you wanted to practice it or try it also too, if you wanted to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:23</time>
<p>prove the case for James Earl Ray, it would've been a great thing to testify.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:27</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:27</time>
<p>With.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:28</time>
<p>So trajectory is never done and trajectory is never done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:32</time>
<p>To a point that it almost was like when I read how he stitched</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:35</time>
<p>him up, it was as if he.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:38</time>
<p>Sabotage the evidence.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:41</time>
<p>And I just thought this was very interesting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:43</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:43</time>
<p>So that to me was like the turning point.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:45</time>
<p>I was like, this is there's too much smoke.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:47</time>
<p>Too much, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:48</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:49</time>
<p>So when Coretta Scott King brings that civil suit against the city of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:51</time>
<p>Memphis in 1999 Ray was scapegoat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:55</time>
<p>And that's what they Argue.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:58</time>
<p>She doesn't win the suit, but it gets heard.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:01</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:01</time>
<p>And she does get APO an apology from the city of Memphis.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:04</time>
<p>Oh, wow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:04</time>
<p>One of those things, again, for us living in Memphis for three</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:08</time>
<p>years, , I think you mentioned it earlier there's echoes of a lot</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:12</time>
<p>of that stuff that happened then.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:13</time>
<p>I wouldn't call it I'd say they're actually more in tune socially nowadays.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:18</time>
<p>When we were living there in Memphis about being cognizant of that kind of stuff.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:22</time>
<p>. I actually felt like when we lived there from 2016 to 2019 the local, community</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:28</time>
<p>leaned into that and they acknowledged and said, Hey, we wanna make sure</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:32</time>
<p>we're not doing things like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:34</time>
<p>And I, but there were, there, there were those echoes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:36</time>
<p>This were echoes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:37</time>
<p>I,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:37</time>
<p>I, this was very different for someone.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:39</time>
<p>I got different reactions.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:40</time>
<p>You remember when I wanted to go there?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:42</time>
<p>When we first moved there?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:43</time>
<p>I said, I wanna go to the Lorraine Motel.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:45</time>
<p>It's the anniversary of Martin Luther King.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:47</time>
<p>And someone said to me, oh honey, that's not for you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:50</time>
<p>And that's one of the things, again, we've talked about this on the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:53</time>
<p>podcast before, is growing up in the area.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:57</time>
<p>People are gonna learn and learn things through a very different</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:00</time>
<p>lens than what you and I did.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:02</time>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:02</time>
<p>Me growing up in California Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:04</time>
<p>My entire life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:05</time>
<p>And you growing up, you know, primarily on the East Coast.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:09</time>
<p>We just learned it very differently and the norms for us were very different.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:12</time>
<p>And for me, when I moved to Memphis was the first time I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:15</time>
<p>ever felt like, oh my gosh.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:16</time>
<p>You know, California is much more of a melting pot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:19</time>
<p>You know, the local population in Memphis, Tennessee is very black and white.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:22</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:23</time>
<p>You know, as, as far as just percentages</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:25</time>
<p>go.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:25</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:26</time>
<p>And like you said, we both learned the Martin Luther King was assassinated, but</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:31</time>
<p>that's pretty much where it ended for me.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:33</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:33</time>
<p>No city, no</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:34</time>
<p>context.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:35</time>
<p>And you gimme a list of names.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:36</time>
<p>I could have pointed out James Earl Ray as the one who got, arrested.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:39</time>
<p>Yes, but I could not have told you it was Memphis,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:42</time>
<p>Tennessee before moving there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:43</time>
<p>Yeah I don't think I could have either.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:45</time>
<p>So again, thank you for folks jumping on this kind of ad</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:48</time>
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<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:50</time>
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<time>00:26:53</time>
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<time>00:26:55</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:57</time>
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<time>00:27:00</time>
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<time>00:27:03</time>
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<time>00:27:06</time>
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<time>00:27:10</time>
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