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<p>greetings and welcome to the talk with</p>
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<p>History Podcast I'm your host Scott here</p>
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<p>with my wife and historian Jen hello on</p>
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<p>this podcast we talk about history's</p>
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<p>you may have heard about the Monitor and</p>
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<p>the Merrimack Ironclad ships that were</p>
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<p>instrumental during the American Civil</p>
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<p>school but did you know that the first</p>
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<p>Norfolk Virginia changing the face of</p>
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<p>Naval Warfare forever in just four hours</p>
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<p>so Jen</p>
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<p>where did we visit today and why is this</p>
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<p>place so important</p>
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<p>we went to Fort Norfolk and I I want to</p>
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<p>make sure I say it like a native so it's</p>
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<p>it's Norfolk yeah the the the locals</p>
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<p>here they they don't use the r it's</p>
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<p>nafak</p>
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<p>so not it looks like Norfolk yes but no</p>
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<p>[ __ ] and so it's named after a place in</p>
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<p>um but one of the earliest cities here</p>
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<p>in America we're on the coast of</p>
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<p>Virginia and George Washington had</p>
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<p>ordered some forts to be built to guard</p>
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<p>the Atlantic side of well at the time</p>
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<p>was the only side of America and so Fort</p>
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<p>Norfolk was ordered when he was</p>
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<p>president to be built in the late 1700s</p>
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<p>and it's the only one that Still Remains</p>
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<p>to this day</p>
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<p>of course the other ones think in</p>
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<p>DC area of course have been rebuilt or</p>
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<p>used for something else and even our</p>
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<p>tour guide today you know he said like</p>
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<p>this fort right I mean it's been around</p>
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<p>for 212 years yes 18. 17 18 10. well it</p>
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<p>was it was it was first dug out Earth</p>
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<p>Earthen works right in the 1700s that's</p>
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<p>right and then the first bricks were</p>
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<p>laid in the 1800s yeah and so even like</p>
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<p>the literally the buildings</p>
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<p>I mean we were walking on original yes</p>
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<p>you know where they used to walk right</p>
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<p>and there's all sorts of interesting</p>
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<p>stories and stuff like that it's 212</p>
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<p>years old the the green doors that you</p>
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<p>see in our in the video that come in</p>
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<p>through the little Archway yes those</p>
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<p>doors are 212 years old and</p>
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<p>the reason why I guess it survived all</p>
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<p>this time it it was used for the Civil</p>
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<p>War it was it was a retrofitted during</p>
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<p>World War One and World War II to be</p>
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<p>used by the Army Corps of Engineers they</p>
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<p>used it for Logistics they used it as</p>
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<p>offices Communications places and then</p>
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<p>they built a bigger more modern building</p>
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<p>outside of the fort and just kind of</p>
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<p>moved over to there and they never tore</p>
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<p>down the Old Fort yeah it's it's prime</p>
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<p>location it's on the waterfront in</p>
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<p>Norfolk but it's not so Prime that it</p>
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<p>ever was</p>
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<p>basically destroyed so it's still there</p>
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<p>well and I think what they said too was</p>
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<p>and it's so common even today right is</p>
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<p>they filled in certain areas around you</p>
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<p>know where where that was so there's so</p>
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<p>there's like part of the harbor and you</p>
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<p>know and yeah has been filled in with</p>
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<p>yeah you know whatever yes</p>
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<p>at the time of the Ironclad battle you</p>
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<p>could see the battle from Fort Norfolk</p>
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<p>now you couldn't be able to see it they</p>
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<p>have filled in they basically have built</p>
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<p>Landing yeah ships can't come that close</p>
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<p>yeah so you wouldn't be able to see it</p>
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<p>today but at the time you could see it</p>
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<p>so I just thought it was really neat</p>
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<p>to go there and to not only talk about</p>
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<p>the history of the fort but two iron</p>
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<p>clads so it's such a neat idea that this</p>
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<p>was the first place the two ironclads</p>
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<p>met and battled right and and the</p>
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<p>ironclads too is like</p>
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<p>like I said in the intro the monitor in</p>
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<p>the miramak I remember those from high</p>
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<p>school they talk about how you know</p>
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<p>these two ironclads kind of shoot each</p>
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<p>other and nothing happens nothing</p>
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<p>happens I think the canning balls keep</p>
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<p>bouncing off so I so I had known that</p>
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<p>story generally from high school</p>
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<p>but then all of a sudden when you say</p>
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<p>hey I want to go to Fort Norfolk I was</p>
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<p>like what's in Fort Norfolk like again</p>
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<p>yeah like it's another Fort okay we're</p>
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<p>doing a walk with history let's go to</p>
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<p>Fort Norfolk what's what what's</p>
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<p>interesting about Fort Norfolk and you</p>
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<p>say well the the first two iron the very</p>
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<p>first ironclad battle the monitor of the</p>
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<p>Merrimack it wasn't actually the</p>
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<p>Merrimack well I guess you can talk</p>
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<p>about that Virginia they fought right</p>
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<p>there that was their first battle and</p>
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<p>then everybody after that was like yeah</p>
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<p>we want that we're gonna make more of</p>
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<p>those yes so and you know you and I love</p>
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<p>movies and if you see Sahara</p>
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<p>there's an iron clad right with Matthew</p>
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<p>McConaughey that is the CSS Texas</p>
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<p>for this for the movie but you see the</p>
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<p>Ironclad what it looks like how it's</p>
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<p>floating through the water and how it</p>
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<p>basically gets away but that's that ship</p>
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<p>that very basic metal whole ship how</p>
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<p>they built it the very first one so you</p>
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<p>can think of just how angular it was and</p>
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<p>how basic it was</p>
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<p>and they've been used in Warfare so what</p>
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<p>happened why why you keep saying Meramec</p>
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<p>Merrimack why you keep saying Merrimack</p>
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<p>when actually it was the CSS Virginia</p>
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<p>right so the Confederacy had taken the</p>
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<p>Merrimack and they had retrofitted the</p>
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<p>hull and iron plated it and called it</p>
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<p>the CSS Virginia so when they say the</p>
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<p>first two battle the first battle of the</p>
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<p>two ironclads it's really the CSS</p>
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<p>Virginia and the monitor the USS monitor</p>
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<p>CSS Virginia so when you hear that</p>
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<p>people will say</p>
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<p>Merrimack and monitor but it's Virginia</p>
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<p>and monitor</p>
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<p>it's just so neat so neopins</p>
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<p>when</p>
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<p>yeah</p>
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<p>secedes from the Union</p>
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<p>then that happens in April of 1861 the</p>
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<p>union is forced to leave and abandon the</p>
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<p>city and the fort and the Confederacy</p>
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<p>takes over the fort now they only have</p>
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<p>it for 13 months but in that 13 months</p>
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<p>is when this battle is going to take</p>
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<p>place it happens in March of 1862.</p>
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<p>and so March 8th what happens</p>
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<p>is</p>
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<p>the union that has been kind of</p>
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<p>blockading the area and unable to get</p>
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<p>supplies up to Richmond because if you</p>
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<p>know anything about the Chesapeake Bay</p>
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<p>you have to go through there to get up</p>
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<p>to Richmond and the Richmond is of</p>
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<p>course</p>
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<p>the</p>
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<p>the capital of the Confederacy it has</p>
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<p>the heart yes so it's where Jefferson</p>
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<p>Davis is this is the capital so they</p>
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<p>want to fight back and they the Virginia</p>
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<p>they they were the first ones to do this</p>
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<p>put iron around the ship comes in</p>
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<p>contact with two other ships and it</p>
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<p>fights the Congress and the Cumberland</p>
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<p>and these are wooden chips Wooden Ships</p>
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<p>U.S Navy</p>
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<p>Union Wooden Ships and they destroy them</p>
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<p>one I think is sunk the other one is</p>
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<p>just completely disabled because because</p>
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<p>the Wooden Ships can't do any damage you</p>
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<p>can't do any damage can't move if you</p>
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<p>know anything about Wooden Ships you</p>
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<p>have to get right up beside a wooden</p>
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<p>ship so they can put their cannons out</p>
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<p>and fire at you like it can't your guns</p>
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<p>are very</p>
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<p>rudimentary cemented can't move them</p>
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<p>around you gotta move the whole ship to</p>
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<p>yeah these iron clouds not only could</p>
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<p>now have metal but they had learned how</p>
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<p>to put guns on turrets and fire in</p>
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<p>different directions and so it made the</p>
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<p>chip be much more versatile and where it</p>
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<p>was it could fire at you from any</p>
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<p>position</p>
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<p>and so they had already they've already</p>
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<p>taken two Union ships and they're about</p>
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<p>to take a third the Minnesota is also</p>
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<p>there now the Minnesota to almost kind</p>
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<p>of save itself runs the ground</p>
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<p>that way it doesn't get sunk it runs the</p>
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<p>ground and the Virginia by that time has</p>
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<p>used all of its ammunition</p>
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<p>and comes back to Fort Norfolk to get</p>
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<p>ammunition again for no Focus being</p>
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<p>it's being run by the Confederacy and</p>
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<p>the big draw of that Fort is the</p>
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<p>magazine so it's the biggest building</p>
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<p>and so that was one of the cool things</p>
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<p>just to kind of interrupt the story here</p>
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<p>so one of the cool things is they show</p>
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<p>us like where the magazine was we</p>
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<p>couldn't go in that particular building</p>
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<p>no I think they were fixing in yeah they</p>
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<p>were fixing it up and there was a lot of</p>
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<p>work being done at the Fort this isn't</p>
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<p>like a wasn't a full-blown like</p>
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<p>over-the-top like highly produced for</p>
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<p>Museum but there's the folks told us</p>
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<p>about some but</p>
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<p>um one of the cool things was uh what</p>
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<p>was the the pull that yeah so the magic</p>
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<p>Transportation was right beside like a</p>
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<p>rail that's right almost like a train</p>
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<p>rail yeah and they used mules they would</p>
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<p>load up the ammunition onto the mule and</p>
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<p>they would just pull it right out to the</p>
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<p>point out and out to the ships yeah and</p>
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<p>they the reason they had moved</p>
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<p>ammunition to Fort no Focus the ship</p>
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<p>building was a little bit further away</p>
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<p>and at the one point they had put the</p>
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<p>magazine right beside the shipyard and</p>
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<p>somebody thank goodness was smart enough</p>
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<p>to go hey maybe we shouldn't have all of</p>
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<p>these explosives right beside all this</p>
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<p>wood where we're building ships we this</p>
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<p>blows up we're going to destroy</p>
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<p>everything lose everything why don't we</p>
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<p>move it away oh my gosh there's a fort</p>
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<p>down there and we can build this big</p>
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<p>magazine yeah there's a there's a yard</p>
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<p>here that they use for drilling yes and</p>
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<p>they break for drill practice and they</p>
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<p>built a building there so and then all</p>
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<p>right so so that's just me interrupting</p>
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<p>because you know I'm the host and I get</p>
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<p>to do that once in a while</p>
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<p>um so so they're rearming they're</p>
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<p>rearming for the night so this is March</p>
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<p>8th going into the night the next day is</p>
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<p>March 9th 1862. during the night the</p>
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<p>monitor so the union also is making a</p>
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<p>metal ship they're also making an</p>
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<p>ironclad and so during the night the</p>
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<p>monitor comes down the coast and stands</p>
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<p>and gets in front of the Minnesota</p>
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<p>basically to defend the Minnesota and</p>
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<p>honestly it uses the fire from the</p>
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<p>Minnesota to find it yeah so at night</p>
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<p>aim towards the smoke so they get in</p>
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<p>front of it so when the Virginia comes</p>
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<p>back out the next morning to finish what</p>
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<p>they started they're met with the</p>
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<p>Monitor and the Monitor and the Virginia</p>
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<p>just go at it three to four hours just</p>
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<p>firing at each other and shooting each</p>
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<p>other and no damage neither sink neither</p>
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<p>have damage they kind of call it a draw</p>
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<p>and in that moment</p>
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<p>naval ship building Changes Worldwide</p>
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<p>yeah and Naval Warfare yeah everyone's</p>
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<p>paying attention Wooden Ships are</p>
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<p>obsolete nobody makes them anymore for</p>
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<p>Naval battles now it's all metal the</p>
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<p>people are seeing how strong this is how</p>
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<p>you can basically fight a war and you're</p>
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<p>not going to have any damage so</p>
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<p>everything changes when it comes to</p>
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<p>building</p>
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<p>ships from that battle Yeah that's that</p>
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<p>was really cool and like when you're at</p>
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<p>the Fort too so</p>
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<p>um what you can see right now is that</p>
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<p>they've it's a work in progress right so</p>
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<p>I think it's the norfolkest or</p>
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<p>historical society and some other folks</p>
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<p>who are kind of helping kind of continue</p>
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<p>to to work on Fort Norfolk and God bless</p>
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<p>them if you hear this and you know</p>
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<p>people who can help donate you know look</p>
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<p>them up they're really um</p>
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<p>they're working on preservation but they</p>
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<p>definitely need the funds and the help</p>
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<p>to do it yeah and but one of the cool</p>
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<p>Parts is is like the the Earthen kind of</p>
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<p>dig out is still kind of the same shape</p>
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<p>that it was back then so you can</p>
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<p>actually walk up the hill right and if</p>
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<p>this is like the dirt that they piled</p>
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<p>back in the late 1700s exactly right you</p>
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<p>walk on top of this and you can see out</p>
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<p>over the water now there is the modern</p>
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<p>building that you mentioned before but</p>
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<p>before that modern building was there</p>
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<p>you could see the entire Harbor in the</p>
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<p>entire Bay right there it's a key</p>
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<p>strategic point it was a great point and</p>
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<p>those Earthworks they are preserved just</p>
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<p>like if you go to Yorktown yeah the</p>
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<p>Earthworks are preserved where the</p>
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<p>revolutionaries dug in so you can see</p>
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<p>that this is this was done in the late</p>
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<p>1700s early 1800s this was done by the</p>
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<p>men there and it still stands today</p>
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<p>foreign</p>
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<p>and one of the the neat little asides</p>
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<p>that our tour guide told us about was</p>
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<p>um the little brick embankment built</p>
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<p>into the side of one of those do you</p>
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<p>remember that yeah he said it was the</p>
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<p>commanding officer's wife wanted a</p>
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<p>gazebo yeah it was or like uh yeah it</p>
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<p>was like the kernel right so the colonel</p>
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<p>who was in charge of that base at</p>
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<p>whatever time I don't think he knew it</p>
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<p>was like I don't know the early 1900s</p>
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<p>yeah it was probably the 30s or yeah and</p>
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<p>uh so I guess the Colonel's wife wanted</p>
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<p>a gazebo so the colonel said build my</p>
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<p>wife a gazebo over there Fort Norfolk</p>
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<p>and so she had her gazebo and the tour</p>
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<p>guide was great because he said he can</p>
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<p>just picture</p>
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<p>you know the Colonel's wife sitting</p>
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<p>there in her gazebo drinking mint juleps</p>
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<p>you know looking out over the water</p>
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<p>which you know when we went which was</p>
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<p>today for us</p>
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<p>um it was super windy</p>
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<p>um but I can see on a nice day it was</p>
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<p>gorgeous and she's looking out over the</p>
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<p>water of course yeah it's beautiful</p>
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<p>[Music]</p>
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<p>so that battle is called the Battle of</p>
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<p>Hampton Roads so when people say the</p>
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<p>first two ironclads that met in the</p>
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<p>Battle of Hampton Roads that's that's</p>
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<p>what it was yeah and</p>
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<p>yeah so after that it's not long until</p>
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<p>the Union's going to take Norfolk</p>
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<p>they're going to be occupied in May of</p>
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<p>1862. so this happens in March so you</p>
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<p>think March April May the union has</p>
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<p>taken Norfolk again and they're going to</p>
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<p>hold it for the rest of the Civil War so</p>
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<p>Norfolk is not again the Confederacy is</p>
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<p>only at that Fort for about a year and</p>
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<p>then it's taken over by the union again</p>
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<p>and then what's depicted in the movie</p>
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<p>Sahara we talked about this</p>
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<p>is the fall of Richmond so the fall of</p>
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<p>Richmond happens in early</p>
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<p>April 1865. so you we know we're going</p>
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<p>to have the surrender happen in about a</p>
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<p>week follow Richmond happens April 4th</p>
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<p>and then the cement is going to happen a</p>
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<p>couple days after that and so in the</p>
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<p>fall of Richmond</p>
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<p>what's depicted in Sahara is the CSS</p>
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<p>Texas gets away and the CSS Texas does</p>
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<p>have the reputation of being the best</p>
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<p>constructed Ironclad it was I mean by</p>
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<p>that time you're getting better and</p>
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<p>better were they constructing did I</p>
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<p>don't know if our tour guide talked</p>
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<p>about this but did were they</p>
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<p>constructing these ironclads like where</p>
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<p>the ships are being built today yes okay</p>
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<p>yes</p>
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<p>that's where they were doing it yeah</p>
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<p>that's cool but I think the Texas were</p>
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<p>being built closer built closer up to</p>
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<p>Richmond okay because it was it's like</p>
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<p>almost maiden voyage</p>
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<p>right for the movie for the movie and</p>
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<p>and in real life because what happens so</p>
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<p>the CSS Texas in real life doesn't even</p>
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<p>get to make a maiden voyage it actually</p>
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<p>is taken during the the fall of Richmond</p>
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<p>and</p>
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<p>the union basically sells it for scrap</p>
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<p>in 1867. so it comes down to Norfolk to</p>
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<p>be sold for scrap</p>
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<p>so but in the in the movie Sahara it's</p>
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<p>making it's gets away right with all the</p>
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<p>with all the goals with all the</p>
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<p>competitors because they don't want it</p>
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<p>to fall into the Union hands but to make</p>
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<p>that ship for the movie they use the</p>
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<p>Virginia</p>
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<p>the model of the model of the Virginia</p>
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<p>or was it the monitor</p>
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<p>I can remember that I remember one or</p>
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<p>the other but they used one of them that</p>
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<p>actually was the actual ship in the</p>
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<p>Battle of Hampton Roads that's cool and</p>
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<p>they used that ship as the model so</p>
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<p>that's what you're seeing in the movie</p>
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<p>even though it's supposed to be the CSS</p>
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<p>Texas yeah I love that movie that's such</p>
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<p>a great movie it's probably Texas</p>
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<p>because Matthew McConaughey's from Texas</p>
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<p>sure why not you know you know if you're</p>
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<p>gonna stretch uh stretch history for</p>
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<p>facts for some Hollywood stuff uh why</p>
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<p>not make it to your hometown yes</p>
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<p>so there was um 11 buildings there's a</p>
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<p>main gate building there's a carpenter's</p>
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<p>building when you first walk into the</p>
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<p>right there's officer's quarters there's</p>
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<p>the Armory like we talked about the the</p>
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<p>machine the magazine yep and then</p>
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<p>there's enlisted quarters and then there</p>
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<p>is a what was it to make the water a</p>
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<p>cistern yeah to make clean water since</p>
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<p>the rain that was up higher on one of</p>
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<p>the embankments right natural gravity</p>
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<p>that's uh it makes sense but it's been</p>
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<p>it's it's been a fort since the American</p>
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<p>Revolution we're 1812 Civil War so it's</p>
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<p>been there for a while yeah and I what I</p>
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<p>thought one of the interesting things</p>
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<p>and one of the kind of interesting</p>
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<p>characters that our our guide talked</p>
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<p>about was</p>
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<p>um The Hermit so the so the interesting</p>
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<p>thing about this fort so think about you</p>
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<p>know 200 plus years right and if you</p>
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<p>think all the way back to the late 1700s</p>
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<p>200 let's just say 250 240 years right</p>
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<p>it has changed hands it's been active</p>
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<p>and non-active one of the reasons that</p>
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<p>it got taken</p>
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<p>was that it was undermanned right so it</p>
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<p>had been taken to Naval battles that had</p>
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<p>been taken in land battles and all this</p>
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<p>stuff and at one point it was basically</p>
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<p>abandoned yeah what do you remember what</p>
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<p>era this was in I think I'm looking</p>
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<p>there was this hermit that moves into</p>
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<p>Fort Norfolk because it was essentially</p>
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<p>abandoned right the Army in the Navy</p>
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<p>wasn't using it anymore and so he was</p>
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<p>like you know what that looks nice and</p>
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<p>cozy over there I'm gonna go move in and</p>
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<p>he lives at Fort Norfolk for</p>
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<p>a decent amount of time because he</p>
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<p>actually does work he does upkeep on it</p>
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<p>he puts a roof on one of the buildings</p>
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<p>and then eventually</p>
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<p>um eventually one of the one of the</p>
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<p>services says yeah we want that back so</p>
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<p>they come and basically kick him out</p>
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<p>and he he gets all worked up about it</p>
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<p>because he's been living there probably</p>
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<p>for a couple years</p>
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<p>and</p>
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<p>he he's basically tries to sue slash</p>
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<p>send a bill to the government saying hey</p>
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<p>I did all this work and I did all this</p>
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<p>upkeep on North Fort Norfolk I put a</p>
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<p>roof on it on one of the buildings</p>
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<p>um you guys owe me money and I don't</p>
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<p>think anything ever actually came out of</p>
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<p>it because it's not like he was hired to</p>
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<p>do that but I was just such an</p>
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<p>interesting little tidbit</p>
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<p>um</p>
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<p>that our tour guide shared with us yes</p>
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<p>so I'm meeting here the fourth set with</p>
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<p>an unofficial caretaker status until</p>
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<p>1849 the meal Fentress yes the real</p>
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<p>event and he'd been living alone in the</p>
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<p>offices quarters that's right so for the</p>
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<p>past couple decades and he and he had</p>
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<p>been like a volunteer yes like a like a</p>
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<p>volunteer Soldier and so I had never</p>
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<p>gotten to live in one of the buildings</p>
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<p>yes because the buildings were for like</p>
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<p>not the basically the non-volunteers</p>
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<p>like the officers and the actual the</p>
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<p>actual military and if you were a</p>
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<p>volunteer you lived in tents out outside</p>
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<p>of the the building so he went into the</p>
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<p>building and took care of it and he said</p>
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<p>he put a roof on and then he</p>
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<p>files a bill he demands payment of</p>
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<p>fifteen hundred dollars for taking care</p>
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<p>of the government works and he signs the</p>
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<p>bill with an X and it's actually at the</p>
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<p>National Archives oh is it really yeah</p>
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<p>that's what he said oh my gosh bill is</p>
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<p>at The Archives now there's no proof</p>
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<p>that he was ever paid but that bill and</p>
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<p>that writing is at The Archives that was</p>
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<p>just one of the most entertaining asides</p>
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<p>of like yeah here's a super interesting</p>
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<p>character that has inserted himself as</p>
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<p>has had his tail told for the past you</p>
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<p>know 150 years now about here's the</p>
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<p>hermit that moved into North Fort</p>
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<p>Norfolk and charged the government money</p>
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<p>for upkeep that he did while he was</p>
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<p>living here yes um I just it just kind</p>
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<p>of made me smile</p>
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<p>um the other thing that I will say is</p>
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<p>that our kids had plenty of questions oh</p>
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<p>yeah for and God bless the tour guide</p>
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<p>yeah yes and they they loved it it was a</p>
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<p>great tour I recommend you take it it's</p>
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<p>free</p>
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<p>and the kids had plenty of questions</p>
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<p>just about life in general for people</p>
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<p>who lived in the fort they had</p>
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<p>they there are some stories about</p>
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<p>prisoners being held at the Fort and</p>
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<p>they do believe that they took a</p>
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<p>profiteering ship during the Civil War</p>
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<p>yeah they had some yeah</p>
<p></p>
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<p>and the men</p>
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<p>wrote on the walls with pencil yeah and</p>
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<p>they did had some carvings in the</p>
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<p>ceiling yes they carved their names and</p>
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<p>stuff they tried to preserve that so you</p>
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<p>can see that as well now it's there's</p>
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<p>other claims of prisoners but this this</p>
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<p>is the one that's actually like has</p>
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<p>provenance and facts that they could</p>
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<p>find but it's it's a very interesting</p>
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<p>place and it's like very old and it has</p>
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<p>a like there's original doors like you</p>
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<p>had said there's original Metal Works</p>
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<p>there's a you're standing on the</p>
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<p>original floors you're looking at</p>
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<p>original beams and it really has been</p>
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<p>used and not just used for like storage</p>
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<p>like it was used in World War II yes</p>
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<p>right the communications that our tour</p>
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<p>guide talked about he said about five</p>
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<p>years ago okay so as we're recording</p>
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<p>this is 2022 and he said about five</p>
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<p>years ago so let's just say in 2017 he</p>
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<p>said this 80 80 to 90 year old lady came</p>
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<p>with you know what may have been her son</p>
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<p>or something like that came to visit</p>
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<p>they were looking around she couldn't</p>
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<p>even make it up the step she and she</p>
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<p>just her comment was kind of an aside</p>
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<p>she said I just wanted to see the fort</p>
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<p>again</p>
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<p>and so</p>
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<p>he that that caught his attention and he</p>
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<p>said oh well what do you mean and so it</p>
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<p>turns out that she had been like the</p>
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<p>lead Communications person</p>
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<p>at the Fort you know for a number of</p>
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<p>years and I don't know it wasn't during</p>
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<p>World War II but it was it was a World</p>
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<p>War II I love how you have to listen to</p>
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<p>a story yeah you crack me up baby but it</p>
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<p>was just it was just so interesting to</p>
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<p>lead Communications for World War II in</p>
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<p>that room breaking codes and messages</p>
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<p>from Germany in that room that's so it</p>
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<p>kind of shows you where are things</p>
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<p>happening that are not even close or</p>
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<p>connected to where the actual fight is</p>
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<p>going on sure but yes and so we were</p>
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<p>looking at how that Old Guard house was</p>
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<p>retrofitted for wires and power and</p>
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<p>that's when</p>
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<p>after World War II they build that new</p>
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<p>modern building because that's the the</p>
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<p>core of army Engineers so that's who she</p>
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<p>worked for so she's getting plans and</p>
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<p>stuff from them trying to help them with</p>
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<p>World War II</p>
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<p>so yeah you're funny I love how I love</p>
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<p>doing history with you babe but again I</p>
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<p>just thought that was super interesting</p>
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<p>because here's something that has like</p>
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<p>legitimately been used right it's it's</p>
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<p>not there's some spots that we visit</p>
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<p>where people knew in the earlier</p>
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<p>mid-1800s are like hey we need to</p>
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<p>preserve this this is going to be</p>
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<p>We're Not Gonna We're Not Gonna use this</p>
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<p>it's gonna be preserved right and so</p>
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<p>it's been preserved for 100 years 150</p>
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<p>years or whatever like that this is</p>
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<p>something that has been used</p>
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<p>for 200 plus years yeah it just I think</p>
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<p>it went on the historic places in</p>
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<p>1975 but it just reminds me Norfolk is</p>
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<p>very much like this</p>
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<p>we have that building why don't you use</p>
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<p>that building like the the city owns</p>
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<p>certain buildings and when they're</p>
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<p>thinking of we need this and we need it</p>
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<p>now and you can think of wartime when</p>
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<p>you know supplies are scarce you're like</p>
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<p>we have we have the fort retro hit the</p>
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<p>fort put it in the fort I mean it's it's</p>
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<p>solid there and you probably have very</p>
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<p>good you know conductivity and frequency</p>
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<p>and you could probably watch you know</p>
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<p>things happen real time let's put the</p>
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<p>stuff at the Fort so Norfolk recycles</p>
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<p>their buildings like that and that's</p>
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<p>what happened with the MacArthur</p>
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<p>Memorial so when we talk about that I</p>
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<p>mean that was the old city hall of</p>
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<p>Norfolk and now it's uh Memorial to</p>
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<p>General Douglas MacArthur so they do</p>
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<p>that they're very I have to say they're</p>
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<p>very good at recycling their buildings</p>
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<p>here</p>
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<p>again this</p>
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<p>caught my eye you know it was a little</p>
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<p>maybe a little more interesting because</p>
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<p>I was trying to listen to the tour guide</p>
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<p>but I was also trying to manage uh</p>
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<p>Madison to keep her from asking too many</p>
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<p>questions that only a six-year-old can</p>
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<p>ask but well Fort Norfolk it may not</p>
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<p>ring a bell to many people if the walls</p>
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<p>of that Fort could talk they would tell</p>
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<p>Tales of Soldiers and Sailors land</p>
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<p>battles and Naval Warfare</p>
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<p>it was an honor to visit the last</p>
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<p>remaining fortification that President</p>
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<p>George Washington ordered to be built</p>
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<p>for Harbor defenses in the late 1700s</p>
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<p>so again thank you and thank you</p>
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<p>listening for talk to the talk with</p>
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