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<p>Just</p>
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<p>moving straight into the topic because it's.</p>
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<p>going to be obvious from the episode title.</p>
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<p>We went and visited Mount Rushmore, the classic place for family,</p>
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<p>families here in the States to take their kids to, to do it.</p>
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<p>I did it when I was probably Maybe 14, 15, and now we finally got to take</p>
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<p>our family to this Incredibly historic and kind of significant American</p>
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<p>Icon American West icon car trip.</p>
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<p>Yeah place.</p>
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<p>Yes a Mount</p>
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<p>Rushmore.</p>
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<p>It's very well visited I think we talked about it has 2.</p>
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<p>5 million visitors a year.</p>
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<p>They're hoping to top Uh, three million here in the next coming year.</p>
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<p>It is the quintessential American road trip destination part of the trip.</p>
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<p>It's in the lower Southwest part of South Dakota in the Black Hills area.</p>
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<p>So if you're hitting Mount Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Custer Battlefield, Devil's Tower,</p>
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<p>they're all in the general vicinity.</p>
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<p>That's why it's It coincides with a road trip.</p>
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<p>Well, and the nice thing is, and that I just didn't realize about</p>
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<p>it, it's a very quick and easy visit.</p>
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<p>It is.</p>
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<p>It's not a huge, the, the core of Mount Rushmore, if you've never been, or</p>
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<p>if you're thinking about going either this summer or next summer in the</p>
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<p>future, whenever you're listening to this episode, it's a very easy visit.</p>
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<p>You park close, you don't have to walk far and bam, right there is Mount Rushmore.</p>
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<p>It's right.</p>
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<p>It has</p>
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<p>a, a.</p>
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<p>The quintessential view is the first view.</p>
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<p>So like you said, it's a national memorial.</p>
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<p>It's basically four faces of American presidents carved into</p>
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<p>the side of a mountain in the Black Hills of South Dakota.</p>
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<p>And the parking is what you pay for.</p>
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<p>It's free to visit.</p>
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<p>And then you walk straight in and you have this avenue of flags that kind of frame.</p>
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<p>Mount Rushmore.</p>
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<p>So it's very easy to walk, especially if you have somebody who</p>
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<p>is disabled or needs a wheelchair.</p>
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<p>It's all flat.</p>
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<p>It takes you right there.</p>
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<p>It's it's very simple, easy thing to visit.</p>
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<p>And they have other things for you.</p>
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<p>If you want to walk, you can do a walk around.</p>
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<p>Like</p>
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<p>a little hike.</p>
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<p>Like a little hike.</p>
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<p>Yeah, you can go down to the base.</p>
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<p>It doesn't get you close to the faces because those, they're</p>
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<p>pretty, those are up pretty high.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>There, there is, there is like a little mini hike, what</p>
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<p>is it, like a mile?</p>
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<p>Yeah, it's like a mile around, I think it's also still, there's</p>
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<p>stairs along it so it's not</p>
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<p>as</p>
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<p>flat.</p>
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<p>And it has, does it have like displays and kind of information</p>
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<p>along the way?</p>
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<p>The one thing you hit is the sculptor's studio.</p>
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<p>So the sculptor was Gutson Borglum.</p>
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<p>His studio is there, it's, it was at the base of the mountain anyway, so they have</p>
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<p>kept it as a historical landmark and then you can walk through the, the, his studio.</p>
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<p>But if you just go to the visitor center, there's a really great visitor center.</p>
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<p>There's a grand view terrace underneath the terrace with an elevator is the</p>
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<p>kind of museum where they have some of the artifacts and tools and models, old</p>
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<p>models, things they use to build it.</p>
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<p>And a kind of brief descriptor of why these four presidents were chosen and some</p>
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<p>pictures, pictures of before and after.</p>
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<p>And so that is all right there in the area.</p>
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<p>Plus the amphitheater.</p>
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<p>If you go at night during the summer, like we did, they do a little</p>
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<p>production where they put on a movie.</p>
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<p>And they light up the mountain and that's that's just in the summer months they</p>
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<p>do that in the winter months They light up the mountain rated sunset for like</p>
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<p>an hour and then but they don't do the production, but that's what the amp.</p>
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<p>Yeah and so that's we actually did the Evening visit first because</p>
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<p>we were there Staying in the Black Hills area with like a little family</p>
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<p>reunion from my side of the family.</p>
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<p>Mm hmm And so we visited during the evening, which was great.</p>
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<p>Cause it's beautiful.</p>
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<p>It's not that it's not humid out there.</p>
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<p>It was absolutely gorgeous.</p>
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<p>And in the summertime, we were there in June and.</p>
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<p>So we went there before sunset, we got up there, we picked a spot at the top</p>
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<p>of the amphitheater, and the ranger who spoke, I think it was either just before</p>
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<p>or just after the film, actually had a really cool personal story of why he</p>
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<p>became a ranger and why he went there.</p>
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<p>So that was really neat.</p>
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<p>Just, it made it more personal.</p>
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<p>And then the film itself was maybe five minutes, maybe a</p>
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<p>couple minutes, but it was.</p>
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<p>incredibly patriotic.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>And then they actually call a bunch of veterans down or, you know,</p>
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<p>active duty servicemen, women.</p>
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<p>We didn't go.</p>
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<p>We were all the way at the top.</p>
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<p>So we didn't walk down, but they had a bunch come down and</p>
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<p>they like, they pulled the flag.</p>
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<p>They hold the flag down and they folded it and everybody, it was, it was just</p>
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<p>so quintessentially American road trip.</p>
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<p>Yes, summer vacation thing.</p>
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<p>It just made me smile the whole time.</p>
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<p>It was, it was really cool.</p>
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<p>It was really cool.</p>
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<p>And they also do something significant there.</p>
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<p>They do a lot of naturalization ceremonies for people who become citizens.</p>
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<p>Oh, that's cool.</p>
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<p>Of America.</p>
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<p>They usually do one a month and they use the amphitheater for that as well.</p>
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<p>That's neat.</p>
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<p>But let's talk about this shrine to democracy because that is the name of what</p>
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<p>this Sculpture is of the four presidents.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>Called the Shrine to Democracy.</p>
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<p>And we do have, and and after you listen to this podcast, I</p>
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<p>encourage you to go watch our video.</p>
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<p>'cause obviously we made a video on this and we cover a lot of how this came to be.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>So Mount Rushmore, what I find so interesting about</p>
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<p>Mount Rushmore is the name.</p>
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<p>Right?</p>
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<p>Like, it's called Mount Rushmore.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>Well, why?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:02</time>
<p>Who?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:03</time>
<p>Who's Rushmore?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:04</time>
<p>And why?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:05</time>
<p>So this is part of the Black Hills, and we talked about Fort Laramie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:10</time>
<p>We had a really great review for Fort Laramie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:11</time>
<p>So the Treaty of Fort Laramie, 1868, gives this area to the Lakota Sioux.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:16</time>
<p>This is like a Lakota Sioux land.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:19</time>
<p>But what happens is that gold is found here here and gold is found here.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:24</time>
<p>Custer will lead an expedition.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:26</time>
<p>He hits the top of one of these mountains in the area, finds</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:28</time>
<p>gold, brings all these people in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:31</time>
<p>And</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:32</time>
<p>he's about Deadwood.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:33</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:33</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:33</time>
<p>We have past episodes on Deadwood if you want to listen to those.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:36</time>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:36</time>
<p>Wild Bill Cock and all that stuff.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:08:39</time>
<p>All these things are happening at the same time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:41</time>
<p>It triggers this gold rush in about 1874.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:44</time>
<p>And you're going to get this, the Sioux war of 1876.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:47</time>
<p>We talked about the battle of the bighorn battle, greasy grass, and In 1877, there's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:53</time>
<p>a treaty that breaks Fort Laramie, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:55</time>
<p>The American government's like, Oh, this gold here.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:57</time>
<p>Well, we want this back.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:59</time>
<p>So instead of one big reservation, we're going to give you a six little ones</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:03</time>
<p>and we're going to take back this area.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:05</time>
<p>So you have prospectors who come out to mine the area and you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:10</time>
<p>have an attorney named Charles E.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:12</time>
<p>Rushmore who visits the area to confirm his company's land claims.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:18</time>
<p>And he's out there in about 1884 and he saw this mountain</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:23</time>
<p>is called the Six Grandfathers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:25</time>
<p>By the Lakota Sioux American Indians, and it's called the Six Grandfathers</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:29</time>
<p>because it's supposed to represent Six different directions north south east west</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:33</time>
<p>the sky above and the earth below so the six grandfathers So he's looking at this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:38</time>
<p>mountain as he's mapping and charting with his guide and he asked the guide</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:41</time>
<p>What's the name of that mountain and the guy said it doesn't have a name And so</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:44</time>
<p>the guy says so from here on out we're gonna call it Mount Rushmore after you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:47</time>
<p>It was just a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:48</time>
<p>classic, I was here first</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:49</time>
<p>type thing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:50</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:50</time>
<p>So he's like, okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:51</time>
<p>And so the name Mount Rushmore continued to be used locally.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:54</time>
<p>And then it's put on as a geographic area in 1930.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:58</time>
<p>It's called Mount Rushmore.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>So it's this attorney for claims for this company that it's named after and we use</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:05</time>
<p>the name so easily and quintessentially today, even though the the sculpture</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:12</time>
<p>that is called the Shrine to Democracy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:14</time>
<p>We don't call it the Shrine to Democracy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:16</time>
<p>We call it Mount Rushmore.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:17</time>
<p>So it's just interesting that that person who really is just there by</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:21</time>
<p>happenstance gets this, this landmark that's visited so much named after them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:32</time>
<p>You have in South Dakota, they want to bring tourists.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:36</time>
<p>You have the gold rush and, uh, you have this, uh, fellow named Dorn,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:42</time>
<p>who's a Dorn mountain pass, uh, decides, uh, we want to start to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:46</time>
<p>bring people into South Dakota and I want to have something sculpted here.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:50</time>
<p>I think if we have something sculpted on some of these mountains, it'll</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:53</time>
<p>bring tourists in and they look around.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:56</time>
<p>for sculptors and you get it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:59</time>
<p>Finally, they settle on Goodson Borglum and Borglum is famous.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:05</time>
<p>He's done a couple of sculptures, but at the time he's building</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:08</time>
<p>the shrine to the confederacy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:10</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:11</time>
<p>You said that's in Georgia, Georgia Stone Mountain.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:14</time>
<p>We've never visited.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:14</time>
<p>I show pictures of it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:16</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:16</time>
<p>And it's supposed, I think it's like Lee.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:19</time>
<p>Jackson.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:19</time>
<p>It's, it's, it's big.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:21</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:21</time>
<p>It's not as big as Rushmore.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:22</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:22</time>
<p>But it's, it's, if you picture it in your mind, like you're looking at a computer</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:26</time>
<p>screen and it's basically the side of kind of a large sloping mountain, but</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:31</time>
<p>it's really just carved out of the side.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:32</time>
<p>It's not as three dimensional as Mount Rushmore is.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:35</time>
<p>It's not quite as a big, uh,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:37</time>
<p>It's more of like a, like a picture, like a 3D picture</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:40</time>
<p>type carving in the side of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:43</time>
<p>a mountain.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:43</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:43</time>
<p>Like a, definitely like a precursor to Rushmore.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:46</time>
<p>I think it's like Lee, Davis and Stonewall Jackson, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:49</time>
<p>On their horses.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:50</time>
<p>So and it's still there today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:53</time>
<p>So They, they ask him and bring him out and he, they want him to do the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:58</time>
<p>Needles Highway, which is like these thin little mountains and carve each</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:03</time>
<p>thin little mountain as a figure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:04</time>
<p>But he's, he says, I don't think those will sustain dynamite blasting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:09</time>
<p>So these mountains, you have to blast away the fragile rock in front</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:13</time>
<p>to get to the granite that's inside because the granite inside is what is.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:17</time>
<p>The strong stone that's going to hold this kind of sculpting picture</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:22</time>
<p>and the Needles Highway are thin.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:24</time>
<p>Plus, in the beginning, they have, Dorn has this idea, Doan Robinson,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:29</time>
<p>that's his name, has this idea.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:30</time>
<p>He wants Lewis and Clark.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:32</time>
<p>He wants Sacagawea.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:33</time>
<p>He wants the Ogallala Lakota Chief Red Cloud.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:36</time>
<p>He wants Buffalo Bill Cody, Buffalo Bill</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:38</time>
<p>Cody.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:39</time>
<p>And think if you think about it at the time, think of that generation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:44</time>
<p>Those are larger than life Western historic figures that everybody knew.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:50</time>
<p>We've, we have a couple episodes on Buffalo Bill Cody,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:53</time>
<p>right, a podcast and a video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:55</time>
<p>Like he, Buffalo Bill Cody was world renowned famous.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:00</time>
<p>So I can absolutely see how in that area of the country like, oh yeah, the Western</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:04</time>
<p>figures and I actually thought it was neat that he was recommending Sacagawea,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:09</time>
<p>Sacagawea in Indian Native American</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:12</time>
<p>leaders.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:12</time>
<p>So he chose those leaders because when you think about it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:16</time>
<p>South Dakota is here because of the Louisiana Purchase and The Louisiana</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:21</time>
<p>Purchase was explored by Lewis and Clark in Sacajawea Buffalo Bill Cody</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:25</time>
<p>is the reason why people even know the West and I know you're probably like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:28</time>
<p>no, that's not you No, it is if you watch our episode about go back and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:32</time>
<p>find our old podcast episode</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:33</time>
<p>the reason why people know the West as as we know it today is</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:37</time>
<p>is because of Buffalo Bill Cody, who educated people on the West.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:41</time>
<p>And so you can see why he chose those figures, but Borglum didn't</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:44</time>
<p>think they had mass appeal.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:47</time>
<p>And so he recommends they should have a broader appeal, and he</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:50</time>
<p>recommends four presidents.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:51</time>
<p>And he recommends four presidents because of what they signify.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:57</time>
<p>So, he picks George Washington of this idea of birth of our country.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:01</time>
<p>He picks Thomas Jefferson as an idea of growth for our country.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:08</time>
<p>Theodore Roosevelt, I think who's, I think it's Borglum's favorite</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:11</time>
<p>president, as preservation for the company, for the country.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:17</time>
<p>And then Abraham Lincoln for development, basically saving.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:21</time>
<p>our country.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:22</time>
<p>So you got George Washington, the first president, uh, Thomas Jefferson,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:25</time>
<p>the third, Theodore Roosevelt, the 26th, and Abraham Lincoln, the 16th.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:31</time>
<p>So, and they've each served in their own kind of respective</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
<p>times, when you think about it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:36</time>
<p>Even though Thomas Jefferson, George Washington are pretty close, Lincoln's the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:40</time>
<p>end of the 1800s, and you got Roosevelt, the very beginning of the 1900s.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:44</time>
<p>And at first they're supposed to be carved down to their waist.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:49</time>
<p>But we'll talk about why that didn't happen.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:51</time>
<p>Um, and Theodore Roosevelt was supposed to be on the other side of George Washington.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:56</time>
<p>As they start to carve, they realize, uh, that that rock is too thin, so</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:00</time>
<p>they move him to the other side.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:02</time>
<p>So it's a lot of like, when you get into it, and he starts to blast, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:07</time>
<p>he starts to carve, he's gonna have to, you know, adjust his, his picture.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:21</time>
<p>Well, and it was interesting too, and I know we're stepping</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:24</time>
<p>into this, this topic next year.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:26</time>
<p>But.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:27</time>
<p>One of our, our patrons actually, if you're interested, we have a Patreon</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:31</time>
<p>page where we try to give extra attention to those folks over at patreon.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:34</time>
<p>com slash walk with history.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:37</time>
<p>So Rick, uh, is one of our, our patrons and he commented on the video and you and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:42</time>
<p>I still need to look further into this, but he commented on how, you know, some.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:50</time>
<p>Native American folk in the area at the time took the president's, some</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:54</time>
<p>of the president's, specifically Theodore Roosevelt, as an affront</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
<p>because that's sacred land to them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:59</time>
<p>Obviously, to this day, they're still, they still believe it's theirs and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:03</time>
<p>that they should get the land back.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:05</time>
<p>And we'll talk a little bit about the details there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:07</time>
<p>But his point, and I don't know if this is true, so we'll look into it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:11</time>
<p>But if anybody's listening, knows more about this, shoot, shoot me an email.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:14</time>
<p>There's contact information in the show notes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:18</time>
<p>He said that Teddy, because it was Teddy Roosevelt and Teddy Roosevelt really</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:22</time>
<p>didn't have any good things to say about, for the most part, Native Americans.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:27</time>
<p>Yeah, there were, there were some quotes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:28</time>
<p>He, Rick put in there and Rick brings up a lot of really good historic points.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:34</time>
<p>Like he writes us long comments in some of our videos that we appreciate.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:38</time>
<p>So he brought up that, that some Native, Native Americans really saw</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:41</time>
<p>this as a true affront, which is some of the controversy behind these.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:46</time>
<p>figures being</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:47</time>
<p>up there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:48</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:48</time>
<p>So, I mean, the Shrine of Democracy to some American Indians is</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:53</time>
<p>called the Shrine of Hypocrisy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:55</time>
<p>And they call it that because, first of all, it's not even American land.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:00</time>
<p>It's not even federal land.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:01</time>
<p>It's their land.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:03</time>
<p>They never agreed to the change of the Treaty of Fort Laramie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:07</time>
<p>They, in the lawsuit of 1980, when the Sioux demanded return of the land,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:12</time>
<p>and the Supreme Court ruled in favor of them being awarded 102 million for</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:18</time>
<p>the land, they never took the money.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:20</time>
<p>The money has now grown to over a billion dollars, and they still do not take</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:23</time>
<p>the money because they want the land.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:26</time>
<p>So, for them, for the hypocrisy, it's like you have...</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:29</time>
<p>Refused money, and we want the land, and you have carved into our</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:34</time>
<p>sacred Six Grandfathers Mountain.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:38</time>
<p>So, there has been an American Indian medicine man who has gone to the top</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:42</time>
<p>of Mount Rushmore and placed a staff.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:45</time>
<p>And they have done some prayer, some, some ceremonies up there, but yeah, they call</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:51</time>
<p>it the shrine of hypocrisy because it's, it's their land that you have carved into.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:56</time>
<p>And yes, for who Teddy, each, each president has something</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:01</time>
<p>that they can point to.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:03</time>
<p>And if you want to talk American history, we can really get into what had George</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:07</time>
<p>Washington, what had Theodore, what is it?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:09</time>
<p>I mean.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:10</time>
<p>Theodore Roosevelt had done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:12</time>
<p>Even Abraham Lincoln had American Indians executed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:15</time>
<p>So, each one of them has been an affront to the American Indian culture.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:20</time>
<p>So, that's why they call it the shrine of hypocrisy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:24</time>
<p>And even today, uh, and again, we talked about that with the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:28</time>
<p>crazy horse, because here they are defacing a something of beauty</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:35</time>
<p>and of yeah, what some would say is defacing what</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:39</time>
<p>others would say is honoring.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:40</time>
<p>Yeah, I think it was It's standing bear, chief standing bear that, that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:45</time>
<p>we said in, in last week's episode about crazy horse that said, Hey,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:49</time>
<p>I want to build this thing in this mountain and we want to use crazy horse.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:52</time>
<p>But then you pointed out he never talked to the family.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:55</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:55</time>
<p>There's always two sides to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:05</time>
<p>this and it's, it's a delicate balance and as you say many times on the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:09</time>
<p>channel and on the podcast, it's not for really us here to pass judgment.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:13</time>
<p>We're here to talk about the facts and, and.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:17</time>
<p>a true good historian like yourself is not putting a bias on each thing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:22</time>
<p>You're you're giving context and you're explaining each</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:24</time>
<p>sides and exploring each side.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:26</time>
<p>And we we tend to be campers and hikers and we're</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:29</time>
<p>always like leave no trace.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:30</time>
<p>And you're definitely leaving a trace.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:32</time>
<p>Yeah, when you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:32</time>
<p>carve a face in a mountain.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:35</time>
<p>So it's it is it's just having that conversation, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:38</time>
<p>Because I will say when you go there, you are overcome with patriotism.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:42</time>
<p>It's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:43</time>
<p>You can't avoid it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:44</time>
<p>You can't</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:44</time>
<p>avoid it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:45</time>
<p>It's beautiful.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:45</time>
<p>And it is they when they blast the American the national anthem</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:50</time>
<p>and The lights on it and then all the flags leading up to it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:54</time>
<p>It's emotional It is something that's really patriotic to see and I can see</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:58</time>
<p>why some people take their oath of American citizenship there So it is I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:03</time>
<p>can see both sides and I want to make sure I'm representing both sides here.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:17</time>
<p>And then when you get into conversations about why is this, why</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:20</time>
<p>was this so quick to be completed?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:22</time>
<p>Crazy Horse isn't.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:23</time>
<p>Let's talk about federal funding.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:25</time>
<p>So the federal government helped fund Mount Rushmore, Borglum got money, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:32</time>
<p>he was able to pay people definitely during the 1930s, during the Depression.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:38</time>
<p>They had no fatalities, so people worked on this mountain.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:42</time>
<p>He basically hired people who had no experience.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:44</time>
<p>They were unemployed, and they worked on this mountain with</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:47</time>
<p>him, and he took care of them and their families, and nobody died.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:50</time>
<p>And that, that is a good thing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:53</time>
<p>The phases began in 1927.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:56</time>
<p>And the president's faces were completed between 1934 and 1939.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:00</time>
<p>As each face was complete, they did a dedication ceremony for each one.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:05</time>
<p>And then Gutenberg will die in March of 1941, and his son Lincoln</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:10</time>
<p>will take over construction.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:12</time>
<p>Now it's completed because of last.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:14</time>
<p>the lack of the funding, the federal funding lacks there in 1941, brink of war,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:20</time>
<p>they don't go all the way to the waist.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:22</time>
<p>So when you think about, okay, why did they not complete this?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:24</time>
<p>It's 1941.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:26</time>
<p>Yeah, you can see what George Washington has started to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:29</time>
<p>see like the part of his jacket, but the others they didn't.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:33</time>
<p>So it's officially ends October 31 1941.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:37</time>
<p>And not even two months later, we're going to enter World War Two.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:41</time>
<p>So you can see why this funding will end.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:44</time>
<p>Now the Visitor Center is the Lincoln Borglum Visitor Center underneath.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:49</time>
<p>So that's the son of Gutzon Borglum and he's the one who continues</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:52</time>
<p>the construction and that is something that you're going to see.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:55</time>
<p>Same thing with Crazy Horse.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:57</time>
<p>The family takes over the rest of the construction and the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:00</time>
<p>family still constructs it today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:02</time>
<p>So this is something I thought was very interesting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:03</time>
<p>It's like a family.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:05</time>
<p>Occupation to be this kind of sculptor of rock and magic.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:09</time>
<p>It's a, it's a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:09</time>
<p>family legacy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:10</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:10</time>
<p>, I mean, you can't avoid it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:11</time>
<p>Like if, if you're a, let's say the, the children or the grandchildren</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:16</time>
<p>of someone who is known to embody this project, like Gtz and Borlin,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:21</time>
<p>why, I, I, I can say why not, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:24</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:24</time>
<p>from an outsider's perspective, but that's quite a family legacy to, to be</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:27</time>
<p>a part of.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:28</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:29</time>
<p>And like I said, he had.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:31</time>
<p>It began in October of 1927.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:34</time>
<p>It's finished October 31st, 1941.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:36</time>
<p>So that's about 14 years.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:38</time>
<p>And he passed away only like a little bit before it's finished.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:40</time>
<p>Only a little bit before it's finished.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:42</time>
<p>And his 400 workers, each face is about 60 feet high.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:46</time>
<p>The noses are about 20 feet long, eyes are 50, 11 feet wide, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:50</time>
<p>the mouths are 18 feet wide.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:52</time>
<p>So it's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:53</time>
<p>It is even a little smaller than Crazy Horse for scale.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:58</time>
<p>And unlike Crazy Horse 2, it's only really one sided.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:02</time>
<p>But he picks, because the Needles Highway was so thin and he sees</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:05</time>
<p>the Six Grandfathers Mountain, he picks that mountain because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:08</time>
<p>it gets the light all day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:10</time>
<p>And that is another thing, the best time to take photographs of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:12</time>
<p>Rushmore is in the morning because you get the best morning light on it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:17</time>
<p>Um, and the National Park Service takes over in 1933.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:22</time>
<p>And it's been a part of the National Park Service since then.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:26</time>
<p>And they do certain things, they've updated it, they've sandblasted</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:29</time>
<p>the face and they keep it up.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:31</time>
<p>But it's been, tourism is a big thing for it, but it's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:34</time>
<p>been in a couple movies, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:37</time>
<p>So the most famous is North by Northwest with Cary Grant, the Alfred</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:40</time>
<p>Hitchcock movie, where he's hanging off the face at one point, which that's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:45</time>
<p>all in a soundstage in Hollywood.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:48</time>
<p>But they actually do go if you, if you visit and you're in the visitor center</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:53</time>
<p>area, whether you can get great ice cream there and food there, they're</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:57</time>
<p>actually in that area in the movie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:00</time>
<p>So in North by Northwest, Northwest.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:02</time>
<p>So that part is actually filmed there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:04</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:04</time>
<p>And</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:04</time>
<p>then was it national treasure too?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:06</time>
<p>National treasure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:06</time>
<p>Supposedly they're up there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:08</time>
<p>finding like the hidden symbols and stuff like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:10</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:11</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:11</time>
<p>So it's still very popular today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:13</time>
<p>And when you think of like, there's, there's some big, when people come</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:18</time>
<p>to America, I want to see some national monuments of America.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:21</time>
<p>You're going to think of Statue of Liberty, you're going to think of Lincoln</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:22</time>
<p>Memorial, Rushmore is usually the third.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:25</time>
<p>So when it comes to visiting, again, it is this, it is a very big tourist attraction.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:30</time>
<p>And if you can see in our video, there's a lot of people there</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:33</time>
<p>from all parts of America.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:35</time>
<p>And all types of people, all ages of people, which I think is a really great</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:41</time>
<p>illustration of what America represents.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:44</time>
<p>So it was really great to visit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:46</time>
<p>And, um, I was honored to bring my family there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:49</time>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:49</time>
<p>it was it was just an absolute blast.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:51</time>
<p>And as a kid who went there, a husband and now a father bringing my</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:56</time>
<p>kids there just full circle moment.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:59</time>
<p>It just made me smile the whole time, not only because I was filming</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:02</time>
<p>and doing that stuff with you guys, but because now my kids one day can</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:06</time>
<p>say, Oh, I visited Mount Rushmore.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:07</time>
<p>And so hopefully if you're listening to this podcast, maybe you're even on</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:11</time>
<p>your way driving out into to visit South Dakota and the Black Hills and to visit</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
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