Gettysburg Unsung Heroes: Jennie Wade and Elizabeth Thorn

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<p>Welcome to talk with history.</p>
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<p>Hello.</p>
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<p>So we're only, you know, Not too far behind, only a couple</p>
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<p>Do</p>
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<p>they actually talk about history?</p>
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<p>I have no idea.</p>
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<p>I just</p>
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<p>I have no clue.</p>
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<p>I just looked it up because I think they have about 3, 700.</p>
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<p>It really helps us Today, we're venturing to the hallowed grounds of Gettysburg,</p>
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<p>Pennsylvania in July of 1863, the heart of the brutal battle But we're not focusing</p>
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<p>on the generals and the grand maneuvers.</p>
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<p>In this episode, we delve into the lives of remarkable women who were caught in</p>
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<p>the maelstrom of the Battle of Gettysburg.</p>
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<p>We'll meet Elizabeth Thorne, a local resident who housed generals, buried many</p>
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<p>dead and all while six months pregnant.</p>
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<p>And there was Jenny Wade, the only civilian casualty at Gettysburg.</p>
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<p>Yes, the only one.</p>
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<p>Her story serving as a stark reminder of the war's human cost.</p>
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<p>But these are just two names.</p>
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<p>Many women played Crucial yet often overlooked roles during the Civil War</p>
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<p>from tending to the injured to gathering intelligence They shouldered enormous</p>
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<p>burdens and displayed immense courage So join us as we explore the experience</p>
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<p>of these extraordinary women and discovered how they shaped The course</p>
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<p>of history at Gettysburg and All right,</p>
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<p>Jen So</p>
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<p>we did a trip up to</p>
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<p>Gettysburg in a gorgeous time of the year in</p>
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<p>October.</p>
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<p>It was beautiful</p>
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<p>Group best time to go is like right around</p>
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<p>Halloween is packed ton of people there But we focus on something</p>
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<p>a little different this time</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>Yeah, I wanted to talk about the women of Gettysburg.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>So I want people to, for me I like to kind of, how do I remember things?</p>
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<p>Gettysburg, always think of the middle of the Civil War.</p>
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<p>It happens 1863.</p>
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<p>So smack in the middle between 1861 and 1865 and happens in July.</p>
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<p>So it's the middle of the year.</p>
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<p>So middle, it's really like the middle battle.</p>
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<p>So everybody kind of knows what's going on.</p>
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<p>Nobody really knows where the end, if the end is in sight.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>So this is really, really, the South has a lot of momentum.</p>
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<p>They're pushing North, right?</p>
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<p>No one, realizes that this is going to be the turning point, but it will</p>
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<p>be because this is the South is coming really into Northern Territory now,</p>
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<p>getting close to DC, getting close to coming into the Northern Territory.</p>
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<p>And Elizabeth Thorne is an immigrant.</p>
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<p>She, she was born in December of 1832 in, I'm sure I'm saying this</p>
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<p>wrong, but it's kind of funny.</p>
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<p>Grand Duchy of Hesse, Germany.</p>
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<p>And so her parents are both immigrants.</p>
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<p>She's, she's immigrated.</p>
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<p>Little is known about her early life, but they settle in Gettysburg, and she marries</p>
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<p>another German immigrant, Peter Thorn.</p>
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<p>In, her husband becomes caretaker of Evergreen Cemetery.</p>
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<p>Evergreen Cemetery has just started.</p>
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<p>It's established in 1855.</p>
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<p>This is February of 1856</p>
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<p>that he becomes caretaker.</p>
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<p>And we know Evergreen Cemetery today because it's</p>
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<p>near the National Cemetery out</p>
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<p>It's right beside it.</p>
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<p>It shares, it shares a What is that?</p>
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<p>Like a wall?</p>
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<p>Not even.</p>
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<p>It's just a</p>
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<p>I got, like a fence line, but it's, it's right there</p>
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<p>across from battlegrounds, it's right smack in the middle of</p>
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<p>Yeah, Cemetery Hill.</p>
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<p>When you hear Cemetery Hill at Gettysburg, they're talking about Evergreen Cemetery.</p>
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<p>we show actually on our video, we're standing at the</p>
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<p>sign for Evergreen Cemetery.</p>
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<p>We look across the street and.</p>
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<p>Literally across the street is Cemetery</p>
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<p>Yes, and Significantly, we'll talk about it, but this is where Lincoln will</p>
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<p>actually stand in Evergreen Cemetery when he delivers the Gettysburg Address.</p>
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<p>So because he's dedicating that National Cemetery, which they share</p>
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<p>a fence, they border each other.</p>
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<p>That was not there then.</p>
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<p>So you can imagine that was just all.</p>
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<p>She marries Peter Thorne, 1855, 1856 he becomes caretaker of Evergreen</p>
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<p>Cemetery, what's a caretaker?</p>
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<p>It's a grave digger, basically, it's a person who you bring the body</p>
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<p>to, they, they find the plot, you know, they take care of the graves</p>
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<p>there, they're basically, it's just like a, a maintenance person.</p>
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<p>person for the cemetery.</p>
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<p>But he lives there with Elizabeth, her parents who speak German, and they</p>
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<p>have three boys, they're young boys, and she's pregnant with her fourth.</p>
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<p>When Peter joins the 138th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment, and he leaves</p>
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<p>her in charge of the cemetery.</p>
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<p>And so when the Union troops start to come into Gettysburg, that's when</p>
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<p>she gets the knock on the door from General Howard asking her What roads</p>
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<p>lead into or he has to talk to the man of the house because this is 1863 and</p>
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<p>he figures a man's gonna know the roads and a woman won't know much at all</p>
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<p>But the man of the house doesn't speak</p>
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<p>right, because you said her, her father</p>
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<p>lived there and he only speaks German.</p>
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<p>Only speaks</p>
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<p>only speaks German So she takes him out six months pregnant up</p>
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<p>on the hill And shows him the three main roads coming into Gettysburg.</p>
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<p>And if he wants to get troops, these are the main roads that</p>
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<p>come into this little town.</p>
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<p>It's a little town of people.</p>
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<p>And he says, okay, thank you.</p>
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<p>You should probably leave.</p>
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<p>There, we know that there's a lot of southern troops here.</p>
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<p>We're bringing in a lot of northern troops here.</p>
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<p>And there's going to be a fight.</p>
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<p>And because I see you have elderly parents, three young boys, and you're</p>
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<p>pregnant, you should probably leave.</p>
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<p>And they have a farm on the outskirts of town.</p>
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<p>So they, they leave.</p>
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<p>And.</p>
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<p>They don't come back until July</p>
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<p>7th</p>
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<p>After the</p>
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<p>the battle, I would say four days after the battle.</p>
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<p>And by the time they get back to their house, the caretaker house, which we</p>
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<p>show in the video, it's ransacked.</p>
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<p>Because you can imagine these men are looking for food, looking</p>
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<p>for anything they can use.</p>
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<p>And it was used as a makeshift hospital because it's right there.</p>
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<p>It's a, it's a brick and mortar home right there by where a lot of fighting took</p>
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<p>It's a brick and mortar home right there by where a</p>
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<p>lot of fighting took place.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>Yeah, it's right between the city and the visitor center.</p>
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<p>So it's very easy to find.</p>
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<p>And so by the time she gets back, it's okay, now what do I do?</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>I have to You know take care of these young boys.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>I have to get my parents settled I have to kind of find food and oh, by the</p>
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<p>way, she gets another knock at the door.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>There's thousands of dead men out in fields just laying there</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>and we need to bury these men.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>So the statue depicted of her in Evergreen Cemetery is her kind of wiping her</p>
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<p>brow six months pregnant with a shovel.</p>
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<p>She digs over a hundred graves by herself.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>And you'd think graves, I'm talking six feet graves.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>Like she's digging graves.</p>
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<p>it was interesting being there, right?</p>
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<p>One being in Gettysburg in the fall, the leaves changing.</p>
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<p>It was, it was just gorgeous.</p>
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<p>Weather was amazing, but the statue itself is so unique</p>
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<p>because she is pregnant, right?</p>
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<p>They show her like they're displaying her, you know, six months pregnant.</p>
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<p>So she looks like she's ready to give birth and here she is wiping her</p>
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<p>brow, holding a shovel in her hand.</p>
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<time>00:09:02</time>
<p>It was just.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:03</time>
<p>It's such a unique statue.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:05</time>
<p>It was really neat to just go there and be in this beautiful location</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:09</time>
<p>and see what this amazing woman did.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:12</time>
<p>Yeah, and there's no true number.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:15</time>
<p>Estimates are as low as 91 to 100, as high as 105.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:20</time>
<p>So I would say about a hundred graves she, she dug on her own and I'm sure she helped</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:29</time>
<p>More</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:30</time>
<p>and planned.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:31</time>
<p>I'm sure she helped plan.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:32</time>
<p>I'm hope she, I'm sure she helped this is where we should put these people.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:34</time>
<p>These boys, we should put these people.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:35</time>
<p>This is, and then with the national cemetery starting at first, they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:40</time>
<p>buried men out on the battlefield.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:42</time>
<p>Where they lay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:44</time>
<p>And then when they started to start the National Cemetery, they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:46</time>
<p>dug them up and started to bring them into the National Cemetery.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:48</time>
<p>And then they also repatriated Confederates back to where they should</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:52</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:52</time>
<p>And I think you, you would even mention that even in Evergreen Cemetery,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:56</time>
<p>there was families that would come</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:57</time>
<p>Mm hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>the buried bodies, you know, of their family member and bring it</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:01</time>
<p>And I think there's still some Confederates in the National Cemetery.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:05</time>
<p>Because they they weren't sure if they got everybody but when we went to Hollywood</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:12</time>
<p>Cemetery in Richmond, that's where I think most of the Gettysburg Confederates</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:18</time>
<p>Because there's that big kind of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:19</time>
<p>monument</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:20</time>
<p>hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:21</time>
<p>And so She helped plan all of that, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:24</time>
<p>And so you really think this woman is Again, knowing the language,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:31</time>
<p>big battle, dead men, and what she did too was she gave each man</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:40</time>
<p>dignity and respect in their burial.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:43</time>
<p>She helped, you know, lay them to rest in a peaceful manner,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:47</time>
<p>knowing that they were someone's husband or brother or son or uncle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:52</time>
<p>Like she was just very respectful of them as a caretaker's wife.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:56</time>
<p>She already understands the process, helping to identify these men.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:00</time>
<p>Most of them are traveling with pictures or something on them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:04</time>
<p>Pulling those items from them and then probably serializing them, identifying</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:10</time>
<p>Well, and she's doing this in the heat of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:12</time>
<p>July in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:14</time>
<p>know, it's so depending on the kind of summer it was, I mean,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:18</time>
<p>she's sweating her, her, her butt off.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:20</time>
<p>And I think you even mentioned in the video, and again, the, the link</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:23</time>
<p>to this video, if you guys want to see the location, we'll, we'll be</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:26</time>
<p>in the show notes of this podcast.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:28</time>
<p>But you mentioned that she wore the same dress for was it six weeks or something?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:31</time>
<p>It was, it was quite a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:32</time>
<p>while,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:32</time>
<p>a while.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:33</time>
<p>We'll go,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:33</time>
<p>maybe not six have probably been be giving that time, but</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:38</time>
<p>Yeah, she wore the same dress the entire time because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:41</time>
<p>she just didn't have the time to a probably make a bigger dress.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:45</time>
<p>she didn't want Use other dresses for all this dirty work.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:48</time>
<p>you probably wear your pregnancy dress when you think about it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:51</time>
<p>On November 1st, she'll give birth to a daughter.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:53</time>
<p>So after having three sons, she has a daughter named Rose Mead Thorne in honor</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:58</time>
<p>of General George Mead, who commanded.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:01</time>
<p>the army of the Potomac there at Gettysburg.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:04</time>
<p>She remained caretaker until her husband returned safely from war in 1865.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:09</time>
<p>So it's not like he came right back either.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:11</time>
<p>She was doing this for another year and a half until he came home giving birth.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:18</time>
<p>It's just amazing to me.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:19</time>
<p>They remain on and he resigns as caretaker in 1874.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:24</time>
<p>So nine years later.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:26</time>
<p>So you can imagine she gives birth in November.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:30</time>
<p>Lincoln comes out.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:31</time>
<p>Mid November to give the Gettysburg Address.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:34</time>
<p>it that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:35</time>
<p>Same year, 1863.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:37</time>
<p>So she's probably helping, she's caretaker of the cemetery, set up the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:41</time>
<p>stage, set up the podium in my cemetery.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:44</time>
<p>setting all that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:45</time>
<p>Because it, he stood in Evergreen Cemetery and looked over into what</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:49</time>
<p>was now the new National Cemetery.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:50</time>
<p>And so she's caretaker, so she knows all of these logistics, so she's probably</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:55</time>
<p>with a newborn planning all of this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:59</time>
<p>So this woman is just she's the unsung hero of Gettysburg.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:03</time>
<p>I just wanted to give her some credit</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:06</time>
<p>She'll die October 17th 1907 at age 74 her her and her husband</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:12</time>
<p>are both buried at Evergreen</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:14</time>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:14</time>
<p>So we visit their graves in the video as well</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:18</time>
<p>And then from there so she's kind of, She's a, she's kind of a I'll say a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:24</time>
<p>historical character at the beginning, the very, before the battle ever starts.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:27</time>
<p>And then obviously afterwards, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:29</time>
<p>The, the, the death afterwards, kind of what I put on the thumbnail.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:32</time>
<p>But Jenny Wade is someone who, who's significant kind of for</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:37</time>
<p>what happened during the battle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:44</time>
<p>so Jenny Wade is, most people will know that name.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:49</time>
<p>The Jenny Wade house is a very tourist location for</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:55</time>
<p>And if I remember right, her, her real, her full name is Virginia Wade.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:59</time>
<p>Mary Virginia Wade.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:00</time>
<p>She's born May 21st, 1843.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:03</time>
<p>She's 20 years old.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:04</time>
<p>But she is the only direct civilian casualty of the battle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:10</time>
<p>So there are people who will die.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:12</time>
<p>battle from injuries they sustained during the battle who were civilians,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:17</time>
<p>but she's the only direct civilian casualty during the battle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:22</time>
<p>of mind boggling when, you know, Gettysburg is famous for a reason, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:27</time>
<p>Turning point of the Civil War, but also There's a lot that happened</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:31</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:31</time>
<p>All the men that died.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:32</time>
<p>It's a lot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:33</time>
<p>I think it's 40, 000 men died.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:36</time>
<p>and only one, to think that only one civilian died</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:39</time>
<p>during the battle and it was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:41</time>
<p>Yeah, 50, 000 men died, 23, 000 Union, 28, 000 Confederates, and only</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:46</time>
<p>one civilian died and it was a woman.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:49</time>
<p>That's insane.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:50</time>
<p>And especially if you go to Gettysburg and you like, but you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:53</time>
<p>should go, it's fantastic and go in the fall cause it's so much fun.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:57</time>
<p>In the center of the city where the Jenny Wade house is, is really where there's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:01</time>
<p>crossroads of battle was taking place as again, you're kind of cemetery hills</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:05</time>
<p>behind you, what we just talked about.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:07</time>
<p>Elizabeth.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:07</time>
<p>Thorn is behind you and in front of you would be the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:10</time>
<p>Confederates in Jenny Wade's house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:12</time>
<p>which is really her sister's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:13</time>
<p>right smack in the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:14</time>
<p>It's right in the back of the middle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:15</time>
<p>So they're taking gunfire at home as they're, as they're going</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:21</time>
<p>about their business in the house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:23</time>
<p>And this is happening to a lot of families in the area because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:26</time>
<p>the battle doesn't happen there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:28</time>
<p>That's the first day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:29</time>
<p>But as you move around the next two days, it moves around the city of Gettysburg.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:35</time>
<p>And other houses Get in the crossfire and other barns and other people.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:40</time>
<p>So this there's bullet holes even today in the buildings of Gettysburg.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:45</time>
<p>There's cannonballs in the buildings of Gettysburg.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:48</time>
<p>So for her to be the only casualty is really crazy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:53</time>
<p>the only casualty is really crazy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
<p>Yeah, and so they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:02</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:03</time>
<p>And So they say 150 bullets hit that house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:07</time>
<p>So what's going on is Jenny Wade, again, is 20 years old.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:10</time>
<p>Her sister lives at that house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:12</time>
<p>It's 548 Baltimore Street.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:14</time>
<p>And her sister, George Anna, known as Georgie, had became engaged before the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:21</time>
<p>war, married her sweetheart in 1862.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:23</time>
<p>They moved into that two story brick house 548 Baltimore Street.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:28</time>
<p>And her husband had joined the Union Army in was not in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:32</time>
<p>Gettysburg during the battle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:33</time>
<p>And he was also absent of the birth of their firstborn.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:36</time>
<p>And the boy was born June 26th, 1863.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:41</time>
<p>And so four days after the birth is when people are riding into</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:46</time>
<p>Gettysburg and the war is starting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:48</time>
<p>And so Jenny's mother, Wade's mother decides we should go and stay with</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:53</time>
<p>your sister to help her out since she just had a baby because they lived in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:57</time>
<p>the center of Gettysburg, which they probably would have been behind the fire</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:01</time>
<p>further away from the battle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:02</time>
<p>Further</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:02</time>
<p>away from the battle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:03</time>
<p>So they go to the house and they help.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:05</time>
<p>And at the time she's making bread, she's kneading dough for loaves of bread.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:11</time>
<p>And that's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:12</time>
<p>Again, why people think of the chivalry</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:15</time>
<p>of what she's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:15</time>
<p>it for the soldiers</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:16</time>
<p>doing that for the soldiers, which is what women in their</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:19</time>
<p>capacity really did at the time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:20</time>
<p>Because again, these soldiers are traveling bare bones, what they can</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:24</time>
<p>carry on them and food is scarce and they really scavenger for food.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:28</time>
<p>And so when they are able to find a place where people are providing</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:32</time>
<p>sustenance for them, women, really take it as their duty to perform that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:38</time>
<p>Yeah, and you hear about the rare occasions, the Clara Barton's, you know,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:43</time>
<p>that started the Red Cross and was kind of one of the first kind of nurses on the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:46</time>
<p>battlefield, you this kind of setting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:49</time>
<p>But like you said, the vast majority of what women did and knew how to do</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:54</time>
<p>and actively did throughout the war was provide whatever sustenance they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:58</time>
<p>could for the men who were fighting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:00</time>
<p>And she, from what I read, that doe that she was needing when the bullet</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:06</time>
<p>went through the door, went through another door, hit her through shoulder</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:12</time>
<p>into her heart and killed her instantly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:16</time>
<p>Her mother, 14 loaves of bread with that dough and still made</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:21</time>
<p>that dough for the soldiers because that's what she would have wanted.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:25</time>
<p>would have</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:26</time>
<p>A</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:26</time>
<p>bullet flew through the window of the house and hit a bedpost while Georgiana</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:30</time>
<p>was in bed lying with her baby.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:32</time>
<p>And that's why they moved into the basement.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:34</time>
<p>She woke early that day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:35</time>
<p>This happened the morning of July</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:38</time>
<p>3rd.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:38</time>
<p>Kind of like towards the end of the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:40</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:40</time>
<p>So 8am, July 3rd, the first day it was when 150 bullets hit the house, 8am,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:45</time>
<p>July 3rd, she was kneading the bread.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:47</time>
<p>And that's when.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:48</time>
<p>A bullet through the two closed doors hit her in the shoulder, lodged</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:51</time>
<p>itself in her heart, and got trapped in her body by the corset she was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:55</time>
<p>wearing, and she died instantly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:58</time>
<p>And the dough that she was kneading at the time of her death was baked into</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:01</time>
<p>bread by her mother and made 15 loaves.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:04</time>
<p>Union soldiers helped wrapped her body in a quilt and either</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:07</time>
<p>brought her to the cellar or buried her in the backyard immediately.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:10</time>
<p>So we show the backyard in the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:13</time>
<p>She was moved to the town's German church in November of 1865.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:17</time>
<p>Her body was eventually moved to Evergreen cemetery, the same cemetery that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:22</time>
<p>Elizabeth Thorne is the caretaker for.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:24</time>
<p>and that was one of the ones that had, you know, quite a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:28</time>
<p>unique kind of distinction at her, her little monument memorial that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:33</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:34</time>
<p>In 1900 with tireless efforts from her family and the women in the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:40</time>
<p>area, they were able to get a large.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:43</time>
<p>Gravestone and they have the perpetual American flag and I talk about it's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:48</time>
<p>one of the only two sites in America besides the Betty Ross, Betsy Ross</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:52</time>
<p>house that perpetually flies an American flag in honor of a woman.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:56</time>
<p>I thought that was really neat because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:58</time>
<p>We see the American flag flying grave sites, but when you have that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:05</time>
<p>kind of distinction recognized for something, is doing couldn't and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:11</time>
<p>didn't really serve in battle, but they did serve in whatever capacity</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:15</time>
<p>they could, seeing that recognized</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:17</time>
<p>Yeah, and she had a sweetheart at the time who was also fighting</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:22</time>
<p>in the, in the cause for the union.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:25</time>
<p>She was carrying his picture.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:26</time>
<p>His name was Jack Skelly, and he dies from wounds.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:31</time>
<p>He's sustained in the battle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:33</time>
<p>In june of 1863 and he dies nine days after she dies They're buried close</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:38</time>
<p>to each other in evergreen cemetery so you can find jack shelley's grave as</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:41</time>
<p>well And if you go to the jenny wade house There's artifacts of the letters.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:46</time>
<p>They wrote each other and stuff and things along that nature with their courtship.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:56</time>
<p>there's other women at the time who are doing, who are making</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:00</time>
<p>bread and being very brave.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:03</time>
<p>I want to recognize like Elizabeth Thorne and Jenny Wade are the two big stories</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:08</time>
<p>that we know of women at Gettysburg, but know that there were fighters.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:12</time>
<p>There were seven women who were wounded in Gettysburg as, as soldiers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:18</time>
<p>And</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:18</time>
<p>they were only found out later that their sex was revealed later.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:22</time>
<p>And when they were given treatment, there were seven</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:26</time>
<p>POWs who were women.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:27</time>
<p>And again, only found out later Nine died on the battlefield as soldiers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:34</time>
<p>So when you think about it, there's about 20 women who are disguising</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:41</time>
<p>themselves as soldiers fighting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:43</time>
<p>And people will ask, well, why did women do that at the time?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:47</time>
<p>And I'm not sure of all, you know, what each individual was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:50</time>
<p>thinking, but really it was a really</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:54</time>
<p>duty and money.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:55</time>
<p>and money.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:59</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:02</time>
<p>Sometimes you needed</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:09</time>
<p>And sometimes you needed the money for your family.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:12</time>
<p>Sometimes there were no boys, and your family needed something to survive.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:16</time>
<p>And we always talk about when immigrants came off the boats to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:20</time>
<p>America, they were signing them up for the Civil War right there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:23</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:24</time>
<p>Come sign up.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:24</time>
<p>Go fight for your country.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:25</time>
<p>And they were handing them uniforms and rifles right then and guaranteeing them a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:30</time>
<p>paycheck, which was huge coming to America with no understanding of even maybe the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:36</time>
<p>language or how the commerce is working.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:39</time>
<p>So that is huge.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:41</time>
<p>So as a woman to be able to pay make that money disguised as a man, that's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:47</time>
<p>one of the reasons why women did it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:49</time>
<p>Again, duty was another and some were fighting beside their husbands.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:54</time>
<p>Some took up arms when their husbands, you know, got hurt or but it's just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:59</time>
<p>interesting to know that there, there are women who are participating</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:03</time>
<p>in the Battle of Gettysburg in pretty much every capacity.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:07</time>
<p>We just want to honor Elizabeth Thorne and Jenny Wade in all of those women's memory.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:11</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:12</time>
<p>And women who were kind of playing, playing that, that It</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:15</time>
<p>was, it was really incredible.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:16</time>
<p>And if you can ever go to Gettysburg in October, do it</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:21</time>
<p>because it is, it's beautiful.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:28</time>
<p>Well, that brings us to the end of this episode of talk with We've explored</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:33</time>
<p>the remarkable stories of women like Elizabeth Thorne and Jenny Wade, but their</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:36</time>
<p>experiences represent countless others who played vital roles during the civil war.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:42</time>
<p>These women served as nurses, cooks, spies, and so much more.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:48</time>
<p>Their bravery, resilience, and unwavering determination in the face</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:52</time>
<p>of wartime hardship deserve our Thank you for listening to Talk With History</p>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:58</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:01</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:01</time>
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<time>00:24:04</time>
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<time>00:24:08</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:13</time>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:14</time>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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