Harriet Tubman's Underground Railroad | Historic Maryland Road Trip

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<p>Welcome to Talk With History.</p>
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<p>I'm your host, Scott, here with my wife and historian, Jen.</p>
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<p>On this podcast, we give you insights to our history inspired world</p>
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<p>conversations with the curious, the explorers, and the history Today's</p>
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<p>episode is a special We're taking a deep dive into the life and legacy</p>
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<p>of Harriet Tubman, the iconic conductor of the Underground Railroad.</p>
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<p>We're</p>
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<p>heading straight to the source.</p>
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<p>We recently traveled to Dorchester County, Maryland, to visit the Harriet</p>
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<p>Tubman Underground Railroad National Historic Park, including the very spot</p>
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<p>where Harriet was born into slavery.</p>
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<p>In this episode, we'll explore her early years, the daring escapes that she led,</p>
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<p>and the network of brave individuals who risked everything to fight for freedom.</p>
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<p>We'll also take a virtual tour of the Harriet Tubman Underground Railroad</p>
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<p>Visitor Center, where powerful exhibits and artifacts shed new</p>
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<p>light on her incredible journey.</p>
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<p>So whether you're already familiar with Harriet Tubman or just</p>
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<p>learning about her for the first time, this episode is for you.</p>
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<p>Get ready to be inspired by the courage, resilience, and resolution</p>
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<p>of the Moses of her people.</p>
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<p>All right, Jen.</p>
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<p>so we didn't even realize it, but we visited The Harriet Tubman</p>
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<p>Underground Railroad Center.</p>
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<p>Visitor Center, the like on the, the anniversary of her death.</p>
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<p>March</p>
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<p>10th.</p>
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<p>Yeah, we saw all these signs</p>
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<p>day.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>Like we saw all these signs as we were driving up, we're like, oh no.</p>
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<p>Did we unintentionally come and visit like on a super busy day?</p>
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<p>And it was, we were actually there the day</p>
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<p>day after.</p>
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<p>day before Harriet Tubman</p>
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<p>like a Saturday,</p>
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<p>which was a Saturday to commemorate her new stamp because there's a new</p>
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<p>stamp coming out with her image on it.</p>
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<p>And so we got there on a Sunday and we were lucky.</p>
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<p>And so we got there on Harriet Tubman Day, which is the day she died.</p>
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<p>And what's interesting about that is the day she died.</p>
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<p>Quite possibly might be the day she was</p>
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<p>That was, that was very interesting.</p>
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<p>So she dies March 10th, 1913, and she's born circa 1922.</p>
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<p>And some researchers in the past, I'd say 10, 15 years found a ledger where</p>
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<p>her enslaver had paid a midwife for the birth of a child from her mother.</p>
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<p>And it was dated like March 15th.</p>
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<p>And so people believe that she might have been born.</p>
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<p>March</p>
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<p>Right around that</p>
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<p>Wait, because he might've paid, probably paid her five days after.</p>
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<p>So yeah, it's a, it's amazing.</p>
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<p>That would be her 90th, her 91st birthday if she would've died right</p>
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<p>pretty incredible.</p>
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<p>Now, we went up there to make a video for us from Norfolk.</p>
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<p>It was about three and a half hours, but we got to drive up the eastern shore</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>So what's so, what's so unique about the area is this very waterway intense area.</p>
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<p>It's a beautiful</p>
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<p>It's beautiful, but because of driving it doesn't</p>
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<p>make it easy to drive and.</p>
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<p>It's outside of Annapolis.</p>
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<p>It's outside of DC.</p>
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<p>It's on the other side of Maryland in that kind of watery island ish</p>
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<p>looking part of the state where you're kind of like, what's over there?</p>
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<p>And that is where she was born.</p>
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<p>That's where she escapes enslavement for the first time.</p>
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<p>That's where she goes back and rescues her family, and she understands that</p>
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<p>waterway area so well, having been raised there, that she's very good</p>
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<p>about navigating that and getting people out of enslavement through</p>
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<p>And I can see.</p>
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<p>In an area like that, the eastern shore of Maryland that has so many water</p>
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<p>inlets and it would, if you wouldn't, if you didn't know your way around</p>
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<p>there, you could get lost and have to double back and triple back and do,</p>
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<p>it would take you extra time just to travel from one location to another.</p>
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<p>If you were going to try to travel from, let's say Washington DC to somewhere</p>
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<p>on the eastern shore of Maryland.</p>
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<p>If you didn't know the way, or if you weren't, if you weren't</p>
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<p>traveling on one of the main roads, it would be incredibly difficult.</p>
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<p>Oh, absolutely.</p>
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<p>When you think of, let's for example, let's use John Wilkes Booth, when</p>
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<p>he tries to escape and go just great across the waterway from</p>
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<p>Maryland to Virginia, he doesn't.</p>
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<p>They get lost in a waterway and just go westward back into Maryland.</p>
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<p>They don't even cross into Virginia because they don't</p>
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<p>understand the waterways there.</p>
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<p>And a lot of those waterways where Harriet Tubman was born were</p>
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<p>actually dug and made by enslaved</p>
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<p>Oh, I didn't realize that.</p>
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<p>So her people made them.</p>
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<p>And I talk about this as well.</p>
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<p>Her father lived on a different plantation than her mother.</p>
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<p>And a lot of their family was sold into different families, enslaving</p>
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<p>families in the area, but they were allowed to visit each other.</p>
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<p>And she became very well known.</p>
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<p>Acquainted with the topography of the area and the waterways are there</p>
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<p>because of that from a very young</p>
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<p>Now, that was one question I had in my, in my head</p>
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<p>when I was making the video.</p>
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<p>Was that kind of the norm of the time for enslavers to allow their</p>
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<p>enslaved to travel to go visit family?</p>
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<p>Or was it more like they were traveling with, the master of the household for</p>
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<p>business purposes, and that just, they happened to go get to see their families?</p>
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<p>it depends, right?</p>
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<p>Depends on how close the enslaver, the overseer holds tight to their people,</p>
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<p>What kind of happens and what I've learned doing my research</p>
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<p>is a lot of enslaved are Yeah.</p>
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<p>sold out to other plantations, especially during working season, because you</p>
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<p>need more of the hands than you actually have to do certain things.</p>
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<p>So you help each other out.</p>
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<p>And my slaves will come.</p>
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<p>Plant your land and then your slaves come plant my land and those slaves will</p>
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<p>So that's a little bit of how that</p>
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<p>So that's more how that worked.</p>
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<p>Plus what I've also seen is on when crops weren't in the ground and you</p>
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<p>could get a certificate of travel.</p>
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<p>Remember that happened with that lynching site that I investigated?</p>
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<p>That was during January because there would be no</p>
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<p>crops in the ground wintertime.</p>
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<p>So sometimes you might get a travel certificate to go see</p>
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<p>your family if it was close by.</p>
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<p>And sometimes enslavers did that because it kept you satisfied.</p>
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<p>It kept you staying in your confinement.</p>
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<p>It kept you, not trying to run away.</p>
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<p>Plus family also tethers you.</p>
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<p>to the area.</p>
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<p>And if you do have people who run away, they're running away</p>
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<p>from more than just enslavement.</p>
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<p>They would be running away from their family.</p>
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<p>And so to keep family and to keep a tie to your family there</p>
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<p>is also, benefits the enslaver.</p>
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<p>So to help do, facilitate seeing your family helps keep</p>
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<p>people in that lifestyle.</p>
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<p>Yeah, and again, I just thought that was so interesting that Harriet</p>
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<p>Tubman being allowed to, to travel and to see, to know that area of</p>
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<p>Maryland so well, the Eastern shore,</p>
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<p>that is essentially what gave her the, some of the skills</p>
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<p>that she needed later on.</p>
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<p>skills she needed later on.</p>
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<p>checking traps</p>
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<p>along the shoreline for this certain type of like a, like a mink rat and its fur was</p>
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<p>better in the winter, winter fur, right?</p>
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<p>And so as a young girl, she could get into these waterways and check these</p>
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<p>traps for the fur traders, and it was very hard labor for a child, but because she's</p>
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<p>enslaved they use her labor to do that.</p>
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<p>So it's another way that she gained an understanding of all of these</p>
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<p>waterways because she's checking these traps as a young girl.</p>
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<p>So it, Again, one of these horrible things that she has to do as a young child</p>
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<p>being enslaved, but will benefit her as a conductor on the Underground Railroad.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>So now let's, let's step back a little bit.</p>
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<p>We we, we jumped in there because she's such an interesting character and she's</p>
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<p>done some incredible, incredible things.</p>
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<p>But, so she was born in, you said 1822.</p>
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<p>1822, she's</p>
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<p>born</p>
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<p>Araminta, Araminta Ross.</p>
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<p>they called her</p>
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<p>Minty.</p>
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<p>They</p>
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<p>call her Minty as she names herself Harriet Tubman.</p>
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<p>That's the name she wants to give herself because she</p>
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<p>doesn't want her enslaved name.</p>
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<p>And she's born to enslaved parents, her mother, Harriet, who they</p>
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<p>call Rit Green and Ben Ross.</p>
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<p>And Rit was enslaved by the Brodess family.</p>
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<p>And later her son, Edward.</p>
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<p>That's where the marker is.</p>
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<p>That's where we stop.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>That's where they say is the birthplace of Harriet Tubman.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:30</time>
<p>She's not quite born there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:32</time>
<p>She's born more when you go to the business center and you cross</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:35</time>
<p>the bridge to go see the marker.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:37</time>
<p>She's born more where that bridge area is where the waterway is.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:40</time>
<p>But that's where her marker is.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:42</time>
<p>Harriet Tubman thought her birth year was 1825 and her death certificate.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:48</time>
<p>It lists 1815 her gravestone lists 1820, but again,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:55</time>
<p>historians have found 1822 in the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:58</time>
<p>the record</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>In the record.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:00</time>
<p>That was found, in 2004.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:02</time>
<p>The visitor center is amazing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:04</time>
<p>It's free.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:05</time>
<p>It's run by the National Park Service.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:07</time>
<p>We had got there in On a Sunday in March, which is Women's History Month.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:12</time>
<p>So it was great to go there at that time But I just want people</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:15</time>
<p>to know it's closed on Mondays.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:17</time>
<p>So it's only</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:18</time>
<p>So it's only open Tuesday through Sunday So if you're listening</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:20</time>
<p>to this, it's closed on Mondays.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:22</time>
<p>Don't be like me going to Dr.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:24</time>
<p>Mudd's house Coming to a locked</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:26</time>
<p>And, and definitely don't, don't drive there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:29</time>
<p>If you're too low on gas, you make sure you get gas, a decent ways before you get</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:34</time>
<p>there because Eastern shore, it's great.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:36</time>
<p>There's, there's plenty of kind of services on the drive out there,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:40</time>
<p>but it's not a main, it's not the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:42</time>
<p>95.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:43</time>
<p>Going between Richmond and D.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:44</time>
<p>C.,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:45</time>
<p>expensive.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:46</time>
<p>it's a little more expensive and those gas stations get a little</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:49</time>
<p>bit more spread out, and then when you're driving around, like when we</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:52</time>
<p>were driving around from the Visitor Center over to the marker, you're</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:55</time>
<p>just driving some side country roads.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:57</time>
<p>Yeah, exactly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:58</time>
<p>It's open 10 a.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:59</time>
<p>m.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:00</time>
<p>to 4 p.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:00</time>
<p>m.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:00</time>
<p>and the address is 4068 Golden Hill Road in Church Creek, Maryland.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:07</time>
<p>So you're in that, like you said, rural Maryland area and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:13</time>
<p>the National Park Visitor Center It's a really great facility.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:18</time>
<p>It has a great movie that you can watch there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:20</time>
<p>It really talks you through her life, has a lot of things that kind of show</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:23</time>
<p>you what built her and changed her life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:28</time>
<p>And it shows you more kind of hands on exhibits.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:33</time>
<p>But it was really a neat place to go, especially for our children to.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:37</time>
<p>I think it's safe for kids.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:39</time>
<p>I'm safe.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:40</time>
<p>I mean, it's not too much for them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:42</time>
<p>yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:42</time>
<p>No.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:43</time>
<p>It's super kid</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:43</time>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:44</time>
<p>super kid</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:44</time>
<p>And even one of the things that I actually really appreciated, because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:47</time>
<p>they talked, they go a lot of kind of explaining her family history and kind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:50</time>
<p>of all her family figures, but they, they, they weren't afraid to emphasize</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:54</time>
<p>her youth when she got injured, when she got hit in the head by that weight.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:59</time>
<p>So we actually go there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:00</time>
<p>That was very important to me.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:01</time>
<p>I, that's another place that you can go that is, is there waiting for you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:05</time>
<p>It's called the Bucktown village store and it's at 4303 Bucktown</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:10</time>
<p>road in Bucktown, Maryland.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:11</time>
<p>Easy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:12</time>
<p>You just really got to remember one</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:13</time>
<p>word.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:14</time>
<p>Bucktown</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:15</time>
<p>Bucktown, because it's like Bucktown Village Store,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:18</time>
<p>Bucktown Road, Bucktown, Maryland.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:19</time>
<p>So this is the store.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:21</time>
<p>It's really at the end of the road from where the Brodess</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:24</time>
<p>plantation was, where her marker</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:25</time>
<p>about a mile from the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:26</time>
<p>So it's very easy to find.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:28</time>
<p>It's at the T in the road.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:29</time>
<p>It's the store right at the end of the T.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:31</time>
<p>And it's a little yellow store.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:34</time>
<p>She was there in 1835.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:38</time>
<p>And she was, who knows, I think she was there, probably buying or purchasing</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:42</time>
<p>things for her, for the for her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:44</time>
<p>enslaver and another boy had run away from his plantation and his</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:50</time>
<p>overseer had come into the store to get him, to catch him basically.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:55</time>
<p>And he was trying to grab this boy and he threw a two pound weight at</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:00</time>
<p>the boy to hit him with the two pound weight and it ended up missing the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:04</time>
<p>boy but hitting Harriet in the head.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:06</time>
<p>Now a two pound weight, They use these kinds of weights and measures on the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:10</time>
<p>table when you're buying things, because you're going to buy two pounds of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:13</time>
<p>flour or two</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:14</time>
<p>they actually, in the visitor center, they show you an example.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:16</time>
<p>And it's, it's a good size.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:18</time>
<p>It's, think of one of those skinny Coke cans,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:21</time>
<p>the little small ones about that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:22</time>
<p>solid</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:23</time>
<p>solid I mean, it's two pounds in that, in a tiny little size.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:27</time>
<p>You, if you're throwing that at someone, it's going to do damage.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:29</time>
<p>So when you're like, well, how did he have a two pound weights?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:31</time>
<p>Because that's how they, if you're buying two pounds of flour, two pounds</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:34</time>
<p>of sugar, they'll put that on one side of the weight like a measure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:38</time>
<p>And then they put the, whatever you're buying on the other side.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:40</time>
<p>So, you have bought two pounds.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:42</time>
<p>So that's what he grabs off the counter to fling at this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:45</time>
<p>This kid, like how terrible that fling this two pound weight, this kid misses</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:48</time>
<p>the kid hits Harriet right in the head and it busts her skull and she's bleeding</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:55</time>
<p>and they take her back to the plantation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:57</time>
<p>They basically have to carry her back.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:59</time>
<p>She lays in a bed for two days and eventually they just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:01</time>
<p>start making her work again.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:03</time>
<p>But it's that moment that she starts to.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:09</time>
<p>have visions of God, like that's when she starts to hear</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:13</time>
<p>God speaking directly to her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:15</time>
<p>And, you can call it what you will, whatever's happening.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:20</time>
<p>She is having seizures now start happening to her as well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:23</time>
<p>But this is what really inspires her to start this whole freedom</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:29</time>
<p>campaign and to really feel, I guess, empowered to do all of these</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
<p>things she's going to do in her life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:37</time>
<p>She is more than just an underground railroad conductor.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:41</time>
<p>She's going to be a spy for the civil war.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:44</time>
<p>She's going to become a nurse.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:46</time>
<p>She's going to lead a military militia during the Civil War.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:50</time>
<p>And her belief in herself to accomplish all these things is because she believes</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:54</time>
<p>the Lord is speaking directly to her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:57</time>
<p>So I think that's just so phenomenal.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:00</time>
<p>And to be at that store on that porch where that happened to her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:05</time>
<p>is, is just really amazing and powerful for this heroine of American history.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:09</time>
<p>So it's there for you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:10</time>
<p>If you want to go, those places for, for us were very important to visit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:14</time>
<p>So the visitor center, the marker, and then the store.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:24</time>
<p>Yeah, and it was amazing to me One of the things in, in, in the entryway to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:29</time>
<p>the visitor center is they have a, a small bust of, of Harriet and it, it doesn't</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:35</time>
<p>look like too much, but as I was walking on my way out, one of the, the national</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:39</time>
<p>park guides, the Rangers said, Hey, what's significant about Harriet Tubman?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:44</time>
<p>About that bust.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:45</time>
<p>I it just looks like a bus.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:46</time>
<p>He's well, it's, it's five feet high.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:48</time>
<p>And that's how tall she was.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:50</time>
<p>They said she was only five feet tall.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:52</time>
<p>So I went over there and standing next to it, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:54</time>
<p>And five feet tall is, is not very tall for this woman who did some</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
<p>incredible things throughout her life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:02</time>
<p>And I think that was great too for our kids to see that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:06</time>
<p>So Again, what I appreciate about Harriet Tubman is she's using these</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:11</time>
<p>things that really would be a hindrance that we would think in her favor.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:17</time>
<p>And that is why she's such a great spy during the Civil War is</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:21</time>
<p>because no one's paying attention to the short, small black woman.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:29</time>
<p>She's like the bottom of the totem pole that people think a knows anything or can</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:34</time>
<p>be of any value or to be of any threat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:37</time>
<p>So.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:38</time>
<p>She's the perfect person to gather information, to lead a scouting party,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:43</time>
<p>to lead the Underground Railroad because she's the one you're not looking for.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:47</time>
<p>She's not even on your radar.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:49</time>
<p>Harry Tubman will, she, She will see her sister sold away from her and she will</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:57</time>
<p>see, her enslaver dies and then she's kind of she's She's sold away The woman becomes</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:06</time>
<p>the owner of the plantation and she can't afford to make ends meet So she starts</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:11</time>
<p>to sell her enslaved because they're</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:13</time>
<p>which is some of harriet's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:14</time>
<p>yeah resources, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:15</time>
<p>And so so Harriet's done She's like I'm done with this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:19</time>
<p>That's it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:19</time>
<p>And she just walks basically just walks away one day I think that's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:23</time>
<p>And she just sings this song and she walks away and she takes her brothers with her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:02</time>
<p>And they put out an ad for her in the paper.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:06</time>
<p>This is 1849.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:07</time>
<p>So this is right before the Fugitive Slave Act comes out.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:11</time>
<p>And the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 really starts to separate the country because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:16</time>
<p>it becomes a law that if you don't.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:20</time>
<p>You might not be an enslaver in, in the northern states or even in the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:23</time>
<p>southern states, if you don't help catch runaway slaves or you do anything to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:28</time>
<p>hinder the capture of runaway slaves, you could help be held liable by</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:31</time>
<p>the law, which means they could take your property and put you in jail.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:37</time>
<p>And so people get very mad about that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:38</time>
<p>Like, how can you put that onus on me if it's not something that I agree with?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:43</time>
<p>a horrible law.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:44</time>
<p>Why should I?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:45</time>
<p>So this is when people really dig in their heels and the Underground</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:48</time>
<p>Railroad really gets more solidified.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:55</time>
<p>So what is the Underground Railroad?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:56</time>
<p>I think I tried to explain it in the video, but I don't</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:59</time>
<p>do a very good job of it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:00</time>
<p>So this Underground Railroad is basically a underground network of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:04</time>
<p>people who help enslaved And it starts pretty early, I'd say about 1830.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:12</time>
<p>And probably even before that, but it gets more solidified in 1850,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:15</time>
<p>where it really is a network, and it's not underground, but it's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:20</time>
<p>underground because you can't see it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:22</time>
<p>Like railroad tracks, you can see.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:24</time>
<p>This you can't see.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:26</time>
<p>People just know it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:27</time>
<p>People who conduct themselves know where these safe haven houses are.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:31</time>
<p>Or these places that you can hide out and so they can know</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:34</time>
<p>the routes to get to them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:36</time>
<p>And I've talked before, there was an underground railroad stop in Memphis,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:40</time>
<p>and it's, it's identifier was two trees that don't lose their leaves.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:44</time>
<p>And so they had two big magnolia trees in their front yard and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:47</time>
<p>magnolias don't lose their leaves.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:48</time>
<p>And so even through the winter, they would have these two trees.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:51</time>
<p>So that would be a way to identify that house for the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:54</time>
<p>Underground Railroad in Memphis.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:56</time>
<p>Plus, they're on the outskirts of Memphis and they were livestock stock owners.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:00</time>
<p>So lots of smells coming from the area would keep people away.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:04</time>
<p>So that was a perfect stop for the Underground Railroad.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:07</time>
<p>Most of the time, Underground Railroad would also have, think of Anne Frank</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:11</time>
<p>hiding away during the Holocaust, hidden bookcases, hidden basements,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:18</time>
<p>hidden rooms where you, if somebody was to come and say, I saw black,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:23</time>
<p>black enslaved running by here.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:26</time>
<p>Can we search your house?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:27</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:27</time>
<p>Because you have them hidden away in a secret room.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:30</time>
<p>And so that was also very well known with the underground railroad was these secret</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:34</time>
<p>rooms and places that people could be in the house and collect resources, rests.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:40</time>
<p>As they make their way, and most ens slaves are making their</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:43</time>
<p>way into the Northern states.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:45</time>
<p>But with the Fugitive Slave Act, it didn't stop enslavers from coming</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:49</time>
<p>for you in those northern states.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:51</time>
<p>So some of them went even further on into</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:53</time>
<p>Yeah, and I thought it was, it was neat, again, the Visitor</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:56</time>
<p>Center does a really good job of kind of showing the whole.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:59</time>
<p>Span of early Harriet Tubman through the civil war and the underground railroad.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:04</time>
<p>And then.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:05</time>
<p>After the Civil War, it in a bit of her, her later life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:09</time>
<p>But showing the maps, and some of the, the known paths of the Underground</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:13</time>
<p>Railroad were, were pretty expansive, and going to the big cities and then, then</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:18</time>
<p>making a little bit more of a beeline for, for North up into, up into Canada.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:23</time>
<p>It says here that she she escaped for the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:25</time>
<p>first time, September 17th, 1849.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:28</time>
<p>If she's born 1822, she's 27 years old when she's making her first escape.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:33</time>
<p>And then she comes back a couple more times to get the rest of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:36</time>
<p>her family 70 members in all.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:39</time>
<p>And because she knows that area so well, she's able to come back and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:42</time>
<p>get them and get her family members because that's the, that's the tie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:46</time>
<p>That's the tether to the area in to freedom.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:49</time>
<p>But then when the civil war breaks out.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:53</time>
<p>And she's going further down into the south to help get enslaved out</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:58</time>
<p>of their predicaments and their enslavements in the southern states.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:03</time>
<p>During the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:04</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:04</time>
<p>much further south</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:05</time>
<p>much further south of Maryland, and that's when she works with the military</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:09</time>
<p>And that's when she starts to become a spy because she's given this pass that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:14</time>
<p>kind of gets her to move between the north and the south lines Because she</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:20</time>
<p>can portray someone who isn't who isn't</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:22</time>
<p>Yeah, that's how she passes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:23</time>
<p>and that's how she's passing She's passing back and forth between</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:26</time>
<p>these lines and she's able to get people through and again Nobody's Noticing her</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:32</time>
<p>she, she's five feet tall, she's female and back then she's,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:36</time>
<p>she's African American, so she's all the things that a soldier would</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:40</time>
<p>basically</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:41</time>
<p>immediately</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:41</time>
<p>dismiss.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:43</time>
<p>So from 1851 to 1862, she returned repeatedly to Maryland.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:47</time>
<p>Again, rescuing some 70 slaves in about 13 different expeditions.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:53</time>
<p>And I thought one of the things that was was really interesting was when</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:57</time>
<p>she led that military, I don't know, was an expedition or kind of mission and,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:03</time>
<p>I mean, they, they set free hundreds of people and, dismantled Confederate</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:08</time>
<p>this, that, and the other, and, took down some plantations, I mean, she helped</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:13</time>
<p>lead a pretty serious military effort.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:22</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:22</time>
<p>So that was in 1863 and it's called the Combahee River Raid.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:29</time>
<p>So she used her knowledge of covert travel around the port</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:33</time>
<p>royal area of South Carolina, and she was down in that area and.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:39</time>
<p>She guided three steamboats with black soldiers under Montgomery's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:42</time>
<p>command past the mines on the Combahee River to assault several plantations.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:48</time>
<p>Once ashore, the Union troops set fire to the plantations,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:52</time>
<p>destroying their infrastructure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:54</time>
<p>And forewarned by the raid by Tetman's spy network, enslaved people throughout</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:58</time>
<p>the area heard the steamboat whistles and understood they were being liberated.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:01</time>
<p>So she had gone, she had made sure they knew what was going</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:04</time>
<p>to happen before it happened.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:05</time>
<p>And then she came down there and led these men of the, I think it</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:09</time>
<p>was the 15th South Carolina and then to show them where to go.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:15</time>
<p>And then she helped liberate those people out of there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:18</time>
<p>So she watched as those fleeing slavery stampeded towards the boats.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:22</time>
<p>She later disguised the scene as some barrages.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:24</time>
<p>kind of chaos.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:25</time>
<p>But as the confederate troops erased the scene that the steamboats took off</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:29</time>
<p>with more than 750 formerly enslaved</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:32</time>
<p>That's amazing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:33</time>
<p>It's amazing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:34</time>
<p>What she did was really</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:37</time>
<p>groundbreaking.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:38</time>
<p>And more than a hundred of those newly free men, black</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:43</time>
<p>men, joined the Union Army.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:45</time>
<p>Yeah, I saw that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:46</time>
<p>Yeah, yeah, you, you mentioned that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:47</time>
<p>I don't know if that made the, the video cut, but you said that,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:50</time>
<p>I mean, they, they escaped, and then they joined right back up to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:53</time>
<p>joined way back up to fight.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:54</time>
<p>So this is mid war, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:56</time>
<p>This is June, 1863.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:58</time>
<p>And reports of her involvement in the raid led to people calling her General Tubman.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:03</time>
<p>Oh,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:04</time>
<p>And I think John Brown had called her that previously.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:07</time>
<p>So people joined in on that, but she's widely regarded as</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:10</time>
<p>the first woman to lead U.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:11</time>
<p>S.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:11</time>
<p>troops in an armed assault.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:13</time>
<p>And that, for me, was pretty just monumentous and important.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:18</time>
<p>That's why we left the flag there for her, because what she did for</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:21</time>
<p>American military, but also in American history, she really was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:25</time>
<p>a groundbreaking, changing woman.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:27</time>
<p>And</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:29</time>
<p>think it should be celebrated.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:30</time>
<p>thought it was so neat, too, that she's born in 1822, died in Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:36</time>
<p>And that's quite a, we've talked about a couple of historical figures that have</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:40</time>
<p>been born in that similar era, and talk about a period of true drastic change</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:49</time>
<p>over the course of 90 years, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:52</time>
<p>Think about after the turn of the century, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:55</time>
<p>We're, we're looking at world's fairs now and we're looking at</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:00</time>
<p>the, she was at the, the front end of the suffrage movement, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:04</time>
<p>When she was in her much later years, it was pretty, I mean, think</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:07</time>
<p>about where she came from and as she passed where the country was.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:12</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:12</time>
<p>I mean she really did.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:15</time>
<p>take her agency upon herself and change her life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:19</time>
<p>And in the interim she changed anyone's life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:21</time>
<p>She really came in contact with as well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:24</time>
<p>I mean, I really do think she is a Renaissance woman.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:26</time>
<p>She did what needed to be done in pretty much every instance.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:29</time>
<p>She conducted an underground railroad that needs to be done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:32</time>
<p>Spy for the civil war that needs to be done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:34</time>
<p>She led a militia because that's what needed to be done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:36</time>
<p>And And we know her at Fort Monroe nursing soldiers soldiers and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:42</time>
<p>formerly enslaved that were there because it needed to be done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:45</time>
<p>And then when she gets, she eventually will end up in upstate New York and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:50</time>
<p>she is part of the suffrage movement because that is the area where the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:53</time>
<p>suffrage movement really gets a hold and it's what needs to be done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:58</time>
<p>So she starts, giving talks and giving her experience.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:01</time>
<p>They're putting the face behind an African American woman as</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:05</time>
<p>part of the suffrage movement.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:06</time>
<p>So I just feel like to go where it all started and to be there and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:12</time>
<p>to be in the space, which is very important to us, and to, to honor</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:16</time>
<p>her and it just was an amazing place to visit for Walk with History.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:22</time>
<p>I think it's an important place to, to go to and I just think she's a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:26</time>
<p>woman that deserves to be celebrated.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:28</time>
<p>she's a woman that deserves to be celebrated.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:35</time>
<p>We, we made a specific effort to drive almost four hours to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:39</time>
<p>get there and it was worth every minute It was absolutely worth it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:44</time>
<p>Even if this isn't your kind of typical foray into what you're doing</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:48</time>
<p>on the weekends, I would recommend this to someone because it really</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:52</time>
<p>was powerful kind of learning about her story and learning about Where</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:57</time>
<p>she came from, what she did, and the impact that she had, had on history.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:06</time>
<p>Well folks, that brings us to the end of our journey through the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:09</time>
<p>life and legacy of Harriet Tubman.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:11</time>
<p>I hope you found it as inspiring as we Standing in Harriet's birthplace and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:17</time>
<p>exploring the museum truly emphasized the incredible strength and bravery it took</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:21</time>
<p>for her to fight for freedom, not just for herself, but for countless others.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:26</time>
<p>Her story is a powerful reminder that even in the face of immense</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:29</time>
<p>adversity, A human spirit can persevere.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:33</time>
<p>If you'd like to learn more about Harriet Tubman and the Underground</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:36</time>
<p>Railroad, we've included some resources in the show notes for this episode.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:39</time>
<p>Thank you for joining us on Talk With History.</p>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:41</time>
<p>As always, if you enjoyed this episode, please consider</p>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:44</time>
<p>subscribing, giving us a review.</p>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:47</time>
<p>It really helps us grow and continue to share these important stories.</p>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:51</time>
<p>And remember, we rely on you, our community, to grow, and we</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:54</time>
<p>appreciate you all every day.</p>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:57</time>
<p>We'll talk to you next time.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:58</time>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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