WWII to the Gulf War: A Tour of the Battleship Wisconsin

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May of 1956 and heavy fog right off of the Virginia capes.

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The battleship collides with the Eaton.

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So the Wisconsin and the Eaton collide and fog.

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Xen.

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It's a destroyer.

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Okay.

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So it, if you see pictures, it basically has taken off the nose of this ship.

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Right under the anchors.

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And almost back to the numbers.

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Wow.

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So it's it's hull damage.

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Like it probably could have sunk it.

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If you think about it.

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So it's, it's towed back into.

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The shipyard here in Norfolk.

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But remember when I talked about those Iowa class ships,

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they didn't finish the other.

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The other two.

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They had the hall for the Kentucky.

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And they were able to load the bow of the Kentucky onto a

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barge, bring it over to Norfolk.

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And just basically graph it onto the new bow in 16 days.

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The Wisconsin was seaworthy again . Oh my gosh.

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I got hit.

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Beginning of may.

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And it see where the, again, the end of June in 1956.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Doug.

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Mentioned that fact to us once I think he did too.

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That's why it's called.

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They call it the whiskey.

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The w I S and then capital K Y, Wisconsin and Kentucky.

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And that that's why they call it that.

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So if you hear the big whiskey.

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It's because it's a hybrid of the Wisconsin and the Kentucky.

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So now you have a little bit of trivia.

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Welcome to talk with history.

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I am your host Scott here with my wife and historian, Jen.

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Hello.

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On this podcast, we give you insights to our history.

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Inspired will travels.

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YouTube channel journey and examine history through deeper conversations

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with the curious, the explorers and the history levers out there.

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As we step back in time.

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Picture the mighty USS Wisconsin.

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A silent giant in the inky abyss of the wide open.

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See its silhouette cutting through the waves with a purpose

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that transcends the ordinary.

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Born in the crucible of world war two, this battleship has

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weathered the storms of history.

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Only to be resurrected for a role that would edge its name.

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In the annals of Naval legend.

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It's 1991.

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And the air is charged with anticipation as the Wisconsin in you, its crew

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embark on a journey that will test your metal in the crucible of conflict.

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It isn't merely a ship.

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It's a symbol of American maritime prowess, a guardian of

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freedom, poised to make history.

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Once again.

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Operation desert storm unfolds on the horizon and the Wisconsin resplendent

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in its coat of battleship gray sails into the heart of uncertainty.

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And you look onto the horizon.

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As a silent witness to an unfolding drama that would soon grip.

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The Gulf.

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The Wisconsin's mighty guns as if awakening from a slumber stand ready

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for a dance with destiny, you can almost hear the echoes of a bygone era.

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Whispers of battles, fought and victories earned.

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Resonating within the steel hole humming in anticipation.

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In the stillness of the night, you observed the faces of your fellow

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sailors, their eyes, reflecting a blend of determination and camaraderie.

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These are the warriors of the sea guardians of freedom.

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Entrusted with a mission that will echo through the quarters of history.

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And so dear listeners.

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Please join me on this voyage tonight.

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Through time as we unveil the story of the battleship Wisconsin and the Gulf

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war it's tale of bravery sacrifice and a brave spirit of those who sailed

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into the unknown set, sail with us.

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As we navigate the waters of war and honor the legacy of the battleship Wisconsin.

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All right, Jen.

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I think I laid it out there.

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We're going to talk about the Wisconsin today.

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Yes, it's so awesome.

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For two sailors to talk about

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the Navy, this is right up my

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alley.

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I know, I love talking about the U S Navy.

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So.

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It's the best service and we get to talk about true.

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Battleship.

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Yeah.

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And, and to kind of set the stage, we were trying to make

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this video for quite some time.

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So we do talk a little bit about behind the scenes for the YouTube channel.

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And so we knew w we had a, for our friend, Doug McClafferty, who is a

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listener of the podcast and reached out, and we were trying to coordinate time

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to come out and film on the Wisconsin.

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He connected us with some of the folks who kind of run operations for the.

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Nauticus in the battleship.

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Catherine over there, Katherine, over there and Keith Nitka.

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And so eventually, eventually we got things set up.

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We got out to the battleship what's constant cause.

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We only live a couple miles away.

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Yes.

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And we got to kind of one-on-one time with Catherine and Keith.

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And Keith gave us the whole grand tour, but before we get into our

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discussions with Keith in his time as a sailor on board, the Wisconsin, Let's

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talk a little bit about the history.

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Of the

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battleships.

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Sure.

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So I want you to picture.

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A true.

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Naval battleship.

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And this is what the Wisconsin looks like.

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These Iowa class battleships.

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I had three sets of 16 inch turret guns, and these are huge three barrel guns.

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They're they're set in three three barrel increments.

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So there's nine of them across the ship.

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And it's something you can picture.

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There are numbered one.

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Two and three and three is behind.

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The superstructure.

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But the first two are right in front of the superstructure.

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So these big three.

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16 inch guns, that kind of move in unison.

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It's very awe inspiring when you see, this is what this ship did.

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It was

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it's very classic world war two.

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If you've had a toy battleship in your hand, like that's what, that's

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what you would most likely have.

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It was a gunner.

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Yeah, it was this what's the, this ship was designed to

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take down ships and aircraft.

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And actually then for desert storm, it's going to bomb

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land targets, provide Naval surface

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fire support.

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Yes.

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And the very tip of the bow, which is the front of the ship Naval terms here.

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You'll see the anchors.

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So the anchors are very tip of the bow and their chains are laid out on the very top.

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Of the, of the deck of the deck.

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Yeah.

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And then you see 64.

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That's its number.

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It's the highest number.

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Last number of the battleships it's painted right there

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on the bow of the hull.

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And then on the very back of the ship, fantail stern, all these Naval terms I

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want you guys to know is the helo deck.

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So that's where they would land their aircraft.

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During desert storm, it's helicopters.

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They do have drones on board.

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During world war two, they were able to launch sea planes and then they

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would have to get them from the ocean and they had a crane on the back.

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I don't think I realized that, pick them up out of the ocean because you couldn't

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really land it back onto the deck.

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They could launch it off because it had a catapult.

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But you couldn't land it.

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So that's kind of how CR.

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Air operations worked on a battleship.

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And what were two.

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And

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to end to put it into, USS battleship kind of to compare it

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to the, the ships of today, to what's now a guided missile cruiser,

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guided missile destroyers frigates.

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There's really no more frigates that are operating right now.

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But when I was on a cruiser, We had about 300 or 350 sailors.

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There's destroyers today, they run about 250 sailors.

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And then there's ships kind of, smaller, And then from the cruisers,

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you jump up to the big ones, right?

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You.

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The aircraft carriers, the amphibious ships.

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That are running.

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We were on the Tarawa.

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We added about a 1200 person crew.

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This battleship.

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Right there, the Wisconsin, the, I have a class.

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I mean, they had 1500 sailors.

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Onboard that's how large and, and, and.

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Okay, how much they had on board.

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It was really interesting to me to see.

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A ship.

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That was used for almost 50 years.

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And now obviously it was decommission and recommission, but over 50 years, starting

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in world war two and eventually in.

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In the Gulf launching tomahawks?

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Yes.

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That's

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wild.

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Well, I think the ship to me when I was on it.

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It was very reminiscent of what you would find on an aircraft carrier.

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Because it was where men lived.

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Yeah.

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We did today.

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Do men do sailors and women live on ships sometimes.

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And up until Before, and then they go into the barracks.

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But during the war war two times when this ship was built, you lived on the ship.

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And so there's a post office.

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There's an ice cream place.

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There's a barbershop.

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Now you have, you will find those things on other ships, smaller in detailed,

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but they were bigger on this ship.

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And.

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Again, it reminded me of what an aircraft carrier looks like.

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It's that scale.

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It's that scale.

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Now I will say as an aviator, a Naval aviator.

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I don't know a lot about ships until I did my disassociated tour, which was the

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tour you do when you become an officer of the deck and you learn about Navy ships.

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Like when you talk about the bulls-eye.

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On the ship.

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And we'll talk more about what that is.

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I had.

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My first couple years in the Navy until I did my Tarawa cruise.

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I had no idea what a bullseye was saying.

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It was like it's it's.

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Sailor mumbo jumbo.

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I don't know what they do.

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I had no idea how it was shipped.

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Worked.

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I had no idea how you pulled

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those in.

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And if you're wondering what a bullseye is, if you ever, if you

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ever watched a movie or if you go watch our video, we, till we talk

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about what it is, But it's the.

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For lack of a better word.

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Kind of these, these plaques around the ship, right?

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It's not even really a plaques, more of a sticker.

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In every space, in every single space.

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And that's how you know where you are.

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You can orient yourself.

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Where you are in the ship based off of these ships bull's eyes, right?

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So there's certain numbers followed by dashes and you kind of learn,

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where you are based on how far forward or how far back you are.

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Where you are from central line.

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If you're either port or starboard.

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And, and.

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And then what kind of, of space it is?

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Yes.

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But let's, let's rewind because we're, we're digging into this stuff.

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<time>00:10:39</time>
We want to talk about, we're two sailors.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:41</time>
Excited to talk about Navy stuff, but let's kind of rewind.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:44</time>
So what were the Genesis of what was the Genesis of, of the battleships?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:47</time>
They came out of world war

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:48</time>
II came out of world war two.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:54</time>
So these, so again, this is Naval warfare and that's why I was getting.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:59</time>
I was talking about how I didn't really appreciate what it takes to be a Navy

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:03</time>
sailor, because as the aviator, you don't really get that full grasp until you are.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:08</time>
Doing a disassociated tour, which is you're disassociated from flying.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:11</time>
But.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:12</time>
Being a sailor, an actual.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:15</time>
Maybe warfighter that's what these ships were made for.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:18</time>
And it was constant.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:19</time>
I was.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:21</time>
It was called up and made during world war two.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:24</time>
When America was on this mass production of warfare fighting.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:29</time>
Making planes making guns, making ships.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:32</time>
And so it was laid down in 1941 and completed in 1944.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:37</time>
And then it went right out to the Pacific.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:40</time>
So it was in the battle of Iwo Jima.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:42</time>
It actually shot down a kamikaze.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:45</time>
More than one.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:46</time>
And during a time when kamikazes were taking out.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:51</time>
Ships, like there are three shifts that were sunk by kamikaze and the Wisconsin

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:56</time>
prevented that from happening was able to shoot them down before to getting to them.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:59</time>
So this ship was vital during world war II.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:04</time>
Went out there towards the end of the war, but really sealed the deal and some of

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:07</time>
these last campaigns against the Japanese.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:10</time>
And again, It's a war fighter.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:13</time>
It's a, it's a, it's a gunship and we don't really make those today.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:18</time>
We have them to some degree, but really we're dropping bombs from aircraft.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:22</time>
That's usually gets more accurate.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:24</time>
It can do a lot more of it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:25</time>
Well,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:25</time>
and, and we've, we've mentioned briefly in podcasts

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:28</time>
of the past that world war two.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:30</time>
I really saw the ship from true Naval power to air power.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:35</time>
That really was kind of the shift towards the end of world war II.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:38</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:39</time>
We saw that in the Pacific, right with aircraft carriers.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:42</time>
We saw that too after Pearl Harbor.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:43</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:44</time>
That we were kind of forced into that shift.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:47</time>
And so, so there was that shift, but we still had both essentially.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:51</time>
And then operationally.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:53</time>
When we were out in the Pacific.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:55</time>
It was much more about that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:57</time>
And then obviously in the European front, we were just kind of doing

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:00</time>
air power, all hold to all day long.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:02</time>
Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:02</time>
It's commissioned in April of 1944, it gets right out to the Pacific.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:07</time>
It does its job.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:08</time>
It's very successful.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:10</time>
It's a powerful ship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:12</time>
Sees America through the surrender of Japan comes back and it does this great.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:17</time>
Operation, I think it's called operation Homefront where it gets all the.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:22</time>
Sailors and Marines and troops after world war two and picks them

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:26</time>
up from all the random islands.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:28</time>
Oh, cool.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:29</time>
And the Philippines and in the Pacific and starts to bring them home.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:34</time>
And so you can imagine it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:36</time>
With as big as crew is it has it could, it has more space.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:40</time>
And so it hits Hawaii and then it brings everyone back home to California.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:43</time>
So it's one of those ships, too, that it had a really great homecoming.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:48</time>
Because it's bringing everyone back after world war II, which was a very big deal.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:53</time>
Then after world war two, it comes back here to Norfolk where we are, and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:57</time>
it becomes the basically based here.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:00</time>
And it does a lot of midshipman, cruises and training.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:04</time>
It's really like a, becomes a training ship and it's taking mids.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:08</time>
From the Naval academy, like you were Scott and it takes him to

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:11</time>
like Scotland and it takes them over so they can kind of learn.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:15</time>
What excites me on a Navy

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:16</time>
ship.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:16</time>
It's a similar things that I did, as it as Naval academy midshipmen, I did

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:19</time>
time on how to just destroyer operation

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:21</time>
magic carpet, magic carpet, but I loved it so much.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:24</time>
It was a degrade name.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:25</time>
That's

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:25</time>
cool.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:25</time>
Yeah, that's cool.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:26</time>
But yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:27</time>
Doing those types of trainings.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:29</time>
The Navy's always thinking about training up the next generation.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:33</time>
And so when you have these battleships there's still pretty new by, by Navy

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:37</time>
standards, by military standards, right?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:40</time>
They're going to take it.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:41</time>
Hey, was successful in the Pacific.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:43</time>
I guarantee you, everybody was studying everything that happened, that

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:46</time>
everything they could get their hands on.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:48</time>
Through of what just happened during world war II.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:51</time>
And so of course the Navy is going to send midshipman out to it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:54</time>
And they, and so they use it for a couple more years after that three

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:57</time>
more years, but it's decommissioned in 1948, which I think in July of 48,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:02</time>
which I think probably because of the sizable crew, it needs to maintain.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:08</time>
And it's peace time.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:11</time>
And we're recovering from a war.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:13</time>
And so we're downsizing as a country.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:16</time>
But then Korea happens.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:19</time>
So when North Korea invades, South Korea, it's recommissioned in 1951 and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:26</time>
March and it heads right out to Korea.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:29</time>
And it's part of.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:30</time>
A.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:31</time>
Bombardment of the Republic of Korea, but it also fires artillery rounds.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:36</time>
There it's also the flagship for the Admiral.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:38</time>
So it's used and the Iowa classes are used for that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:42</time>
So it's relieved by the Iowa.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:44</time>
So they're kind of on a rotation.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:46</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:47</time>
Similar to aircraft carriers.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:48</time>
The aircraft carriers today.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:55</time>
We always say what ha when a major conflict happens in America, the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:57</time>
president for a thing goes where my carriers, I imagine at the time it

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:01</time>
might've been more where my battleships.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:04</time>
Sure.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:05</time>
And I'm sure the carrier starting to replace that idea.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:08</time>
It's starting to kind of overshadowed, but I think it's still at the time.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:12</time>
Where am I battleships?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:13</time>
Because really those are the the operation of destruction,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:17</time>
really, they are the ones that are carrying the big guns at the time.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:20</time>
And we were moving into aircraft that are doing.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:23</time>
Bigger jobs, but not being launched from carriers.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:27</time>
So we're moving into trying to find that perfect aircraft that can lodge

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:30</time>
from a carrier and carry the bombs

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:32</time>
well, and if you, if you go and watch her video we don't.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:36</time>
We do a good job of kind of showing certain parts of the ship.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:40</time>
We didn't get that kind of tour for the video as much as we want to.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:44</time>
We went back and tour a whole lot later.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:47</time>
But the, the, the ship is so massive that ships like, that are actually designed

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:52</time>
to handle essentially like a staff.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:54</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:55</time>
It's the Saint was same thing on the Tarawa.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:57</time>
There was a flag bridge.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:59</time>
Yeah, flag bridge is literally just for the Admiral and

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:01</time>
his staff to go hang out on.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:03</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:03</time>
It's.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:03</time>
It

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:03</time>
was right below the regular bridge.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:05</time>
Right below the regular really serve.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:06</time>
No, it served no purpose other than for people to go for the Admiral to have a

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:11</time>
spot, to have his, have his bridge in, in.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:13</time>
So in similar on these Iowa class battleships, They had the CO, right?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:19</time>
The commanding officer had kind of multiple state rooms throughout the ship.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:24</time>
I imagine if there was an Admiral on board, the Admiral, one of those probably

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:27</time>
the larger one belongs to the Admiral.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:29</time>
Absolutely.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:31</time>
So.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:32</time>
We had talked to Keith about.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:35</time>
Restroom.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:36</time>
Heads are on the ship and why.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:38</time>
And why are they call ahead?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:39</time>
It's because in old Navy, The 16 hundreds, 17 hundreds think John Paul Jones Navy.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:48</time>
The restroom was at the front of the ship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:50</time>
You went to the bathroom on the bow because you could

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:53</time>
lean over the battleground.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:55</time>
And so when you would go to the bathroom and say, I'm going to the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:58</time>
head, I'm going to the head of the ship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:00</time>
So that term is still used on Navy ships today for the restroom.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:04</time>
And Keith was, he was a sailor.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:08</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:09</time>
He was a QM two.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:10</time>
So he worked and he was a quartermaster.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:12</time>
And he's a quartermaster.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:13</time>
He was part of the navigation team.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:15</time>
He did all the operations.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:16</time>
He actually and go and watch our video.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:19</time>
And I think what I may do is add the full on cut.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:22</time>
Interview we have with him kind of as a link in the video description of

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:25</time>
people want to see the full interview.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:27</time>
Um, But, but go watch that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:29</time>
Cause he was a QM two.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:30</time>
He talks about kind of a little bit of his Navy time and then as time

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:32</time>
on board and actually like he was there when the call for kicked off.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:37</time>
And he went with the ship to the Gulf and he was there during the war.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:42</time>
It was, it's amazing to hear that story and we're going to get into the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:45</time>
Gulf war, but I wanted to say, I had asked them, of course there was no women on

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:50</time>
board during the whole time because women didn't come on to combatants till 1993.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:54</time>
It's the commission in 91.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:56</time>
But there was two female heads, two female restrooms.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:59</time>
And I'm like, why?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:01</time>
And he said for the helicopter pilots, which I was a helicopter pilot in

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:04</time>
the Navy, but I thought to myself, I went into the, any bathroom.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:08</time>
I went to the closest bathroom from the hanger because you

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:10</time>
have to go, it doesn't matter.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:12</time>
And what does it matter?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:14</time>
But but.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:16</time>
I can attest to when we were on the Tarawa together and we would

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:19</time>
have dignitaries come on board or other heads of state and wives.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:25</time>
We did have restrooms.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:27</time>
Specifically for dignitaries because we kept those extremely clean.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:31</time>
No one was allowed to use them.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:33</time>
So I did find in 1952 in January, they did have the president of South

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:39</time>
Korea and his wife come on board.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:43</time>
And the couple was he full military honors and they came on board and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:46</time>
they were entertained on the ship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:48</time>
So that would be a purpose for why they had a female head on an

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:52</time>
all male shop.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:53</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:53</time>
And I actually do show some like a brief clip that they got of the four

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:58</time>
battleships actually sailing together.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:00</time>
And it was, I think it was in 52.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:01</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:02</time>
And so that was actually pretty neat to see.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:04</time>
And I kind of point out which one the Wisconsin was in the, in the video.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:07</time>
But I think that was the last time that all four actually sailed

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:10</time>
together was in the early fifties.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:12</time>
Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:13</time>
And so everyone knows there were four Iowa class battleships, of course, the Iowa

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:18</time>
hoots named after you have the New Jersey, you have the Missouri and the Wisconsin.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:24</time>
And so when everyone ever asks you, what are the four Iowa class battleship

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:28</time>
she'll know all named after states?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:31</time>
And if Keith said each one has a little special purpose, then we can,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:34</time>
we can get more into that as we go in.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:36</time>
But into the detail of that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:38</time>
Podcast, but.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:39</time>
Just know that there's only four of them.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:41</time>
They had commissioned I think,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:42</time>
six.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:43</time>
But six, but the other two didn't never got finished.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:46</time>
I got finished, but we are going to talk about a piece of, one of them.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:49</time>
That was used.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:50</time>
So after Korea.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:53</time>
It's decommissioned again.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:54</time>
So it's like this board ship is like commission.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:57</time>
I don't know if it's ever been a ship that was commissioned three times.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:02</time>
I don't know.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:03</time>
I'd have to look into them.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:03</time>
Maybe all.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:04</time>
All the IRA classes where it's very possible.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:06</time>
So it's decommissioned again in March of 1958 after it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:09</time>
So action in Korea.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:10</time>
It goes to Philadelphia and it sits in those shipyard there, and it sits there

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:16</time>
with the other Iowa class battleships.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:18</time>
And this is where Reagan will come into the presidency and 1980.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:24</time>
And his part of his promise is a 600 ship Navy.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:28</time>
And to fulfill that promise, it's easier to look around and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:33</time>
say, what do we have built?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:35</time>
That we can retrofit to modernization.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:40</time>
And not have to rebuild a ship.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:42</time>
And that is exactly what they did.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:44</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:44</time>
And they did all four of

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:45</time>
them.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:45</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:46</time>
So I actually found some clips again, this was the recommissioning of the New Jersey.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:51</time>
This was December of 1982.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:54</time>
So young Scott Benny was all of six months old at the time.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:57</time>
And.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:58</time>
But it's, it's Reagan standing there, giving kind of the, the, the address.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:01</time>
And speaking to the crowd and obviously there's news cameras

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:03</time>
and everything like that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:04</time>
So I found it on YouTube.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:06</time>
But he's talking about.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:07</time>
And as Reagan does classic Reagan speech, and he's talking about

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:10</time>
how much he loves his wife and the leading, she was leading lady.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:13</time>
And he's but I fell in love with another leading lady.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:16</time>
And then he starts talking about she's gray.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:17</time>
She got a facelift and she's now coming back into, into her own.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:21</time>
And it was the New Jersey.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:22</time>
So Reagan's always cracking jokes, but it was cool to see.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:25</time>
Him there.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:27</time>
And obviously he's kind of.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:29</time>
If you watch more of a club, not in a video, you can find it on YouTube, but

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:32</time>
if you watch more, he, he kind of he's messaging Congress through his speech.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:38</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:38</time>
About kind of how important this is.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:45</time>
That's when the ships are really retrofitted for modernization, they

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:49</time>
removed guns that were not be effective against aircraft of the nineties.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:55</time>
They retrofitted it with better radars.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:57</time>
The CWIS.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:58</time>
Things that were going to be more effective.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:01</time>
In the Gulf war, they removed the crane from the back of the ship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:04</time>
You're not any, you're not picking up planes anymore from the ocean.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:08</time>
And they equipped it with drones.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:12</time>
So that'll be very interesting.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:15</time>
The Gulf war.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:16</time>
I'm going

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:16</time>
to take key.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:17</time>
We've actually talked a little bit about watching some of

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:18</time>
those drone feeds from the ship.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:20</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:20</time>
Oh, I did want to talk about one more thing before we get into that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:22</time>
Sure.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:23</time>
Okay.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:23</time>
So after the Korean war, Before it goes into maintenance, it

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:27</time>
goes back into what it was doing.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:29</time>
With the midshipman again, comes back here to Norfolk.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:33</time>
So let's take a midshipman across the, the Atlantic ocean.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:37</time>
It's a very foggy day in.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:42</time>
1956.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:45</time>
May of 1956 and heavy fog right off of the Virginia capes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:50</time>
The battleship collides with the Eaton.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:53</time>
So the Wisconsin and the Eaton collide and fog.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:57</time>
Xen.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:58</time>
It's a destroyer.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:59</time>
Okay.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:59</time>
So it, if you see pictures, it basically has taken off the nose of this ship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:04</time>
Right under the anchors.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:05</time>
And almost back to the numbers.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:07</time>
Wow.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:07</time>
So it's it's hull damage.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:09</time>
Like it probably could have sunk it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:11</time>
If you think about it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:12</time>
So it's, it's towed back into.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:15</time>
The shipyard here in Norfolk.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:17</time>
But remember when I talked about those Iowa class ships,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:21</time>
they didn't finish the other.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:22</time>
The other two.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:24</time>
They had the hall for the Kentucky.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:27</time>
In Newport news.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:28</time>
So if you know anything about where we are in Norfolk, Newport

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:30</time>
news is right across the channel.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:32</time>
And they were able to load the bow of the Kentucky onto a

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:35</time>
barge, bring it over to Norfolk.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:38</time>
And just basically graph it onto the new bow in 16 days.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:44</time>
The Wisconsin was seaworthy again and the end of June.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:46</time>
Oh my gosh.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:47</time>
I got hit.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:48</time>
Beginning of may.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:50</time>
And it see where the, again, the end of June in 1956.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:53</time>
And

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:53</time>
to be honest, right.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:55</time>
There's something to be said about the simplicity of some of those older

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:58</time>
ships.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:58</time>
Exactly.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:59</time>
And how quick those people worked in the shipyards.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:01</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:01</time>
That's when we talk about world war two and what these people were doing.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:06</time>
Turning out this material.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:09</time>
And making things here in America, as fast as they were.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:13</time>
Nobody could catch up with America.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:16</time>
And

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:17</time>
if.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:18</time>
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Doug.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:21</time>
Mentioned that fact to us once I think he did too.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:24</time>
That's why it's called.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:25</time>
They call it the whiskey.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:26</time>
The w I S and then capital K Y, Wisconsin and Kentucky.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:31</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:32</time>
So it, because even today it is a hybrid

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:35</time>
of the two.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:36</time>
Exactly.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:36</time>
And that that's why they call it that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:38</time>
So if you hear the big whiskey.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:40</time>
It's because it's a hybrid of the Wisconsin and the Kentucky.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:44</time>
That's a pretty cool fact right there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:50</time>
So it's, recommissioned in October of 1988.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:53</time>
So I think it's the last one.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:55</time>
The Iowa class that's commission, but.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:58</time>
It's commissioned so close that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:02</time>
This is where Keith gets his orders to the Wisconsin.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:09</time>
August 2nd, 1990 Iraq evades Kuwait.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:12</time>
And then on August 7th the Wisconsin and her battle group were ordered

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:17</time>
to deploy in defense of Kuwait for operation desert shield.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:20</time>
And they arrive in the Persian Gulf August 23rd.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:24</time>
I think Keith had said he checked on board.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:26</time>
Like the fifth or 6th of August.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:29</time>
What he was saying was that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:31</time>
He was talking about how the ship was supposed to go on

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:33</time>
next to an extended med cruise.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:34</time>
Oh, that's right.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:35</time>
So they were supposed to be going all around the med, doing

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:37</time>
all these port visits there for.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:38</time>
Just go up to Scotland and do all this fun stuff.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:40</time>
So he was talking about how excited he was about this deployment right here.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:44</time>
You are.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:45</time>
you're going to go see all over the med and do all these cool things.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:49</time>
And all of a sudden, oh yeah, you.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:50</time>
Iraq invaded Kuwait.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:52</time>
And

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:53</time>
plans change.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:54</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:54</time>
The five days later.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:55</time>
Yup.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:56</time>
It's evaded on August 2nd, five days later, you're sent to the middle east.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:00</time>
And so he talks about going through the Suez.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:01</time>
So if you know anything about again, geography.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:04</time>
The ship is coming from the east coast.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:06</time>
It has to go through the med.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:08</time>
And then it goes through the Suez, into the Persian Gulf.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:10</time>
That's different.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:11</time>
We were west coast sailors.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:12</time>
We would go across the Pacific.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:13</time>
But they got over there to the approach and golf and.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:18</time>
The whisky there, Wisconsin.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:20</time>
Really.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:21</time>
It's been now retrofitted with Tomahawk missiles.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:24</time>
It's been retrofitted with harpoon missiles.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:26</time>
It's been retrofitted with these really see the air, see the surface,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:30</time>
like these really strong weapons.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:33</time>
And so it just goes down.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:35</time>
Oh, yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:35</time>
When he still has a 16 inch guns too.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:37</time>
That's the 16 inch guns.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:39</time>
So, not only can it launch missiles, but it can provide legitimate.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:43</time>
Naval surface, fire support miles inland.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:46</time>
With these massive 16 inch guns.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:49</time>
I mean, they are.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:50</time>
It's mind boggling to me.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:52</time>
How big these guns are.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:53</time>
You really have to go in person.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:55</time>
This is, this is one of those things.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:57</time>
On the west coast.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:58</time>
I think you can still do tours on the Iowa.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:00</time>
Cause it's out there.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:01</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:01</time>
When I was recruiting out there and I was, I was stationed out there.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:03</time>
We did some changes command on board.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:05</time>
The.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:05</time>
Which is pretty cool out here.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:07</time>
You have the Wisconsin I'm not sure what the status of, of the other ships

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:10</time>
are.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:10</time>
Missouri is in Hawaii.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:12</time>
Okay.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:12</time>
So you can go there and see where the surrender took place so

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:15</time>
that the Missouri is known for.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:16</time>
Yep.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:17</time>
And then the New Jersey, I'm not sure if anyone knows, put in the comments.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:21</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:21</time>
I'm not sure either.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:22</time>
But The New Jersey and an absolute amazing visit.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:25</time>
And so it kind of, it does it's time on the golf.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:28</time>
That's tied to the Gulf.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:29</time>
And then, like I said, it gets out there and it just immediately.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:33</time>
Sends 11 shells over to Kuwait and just obliterates I Iraq.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:39</time>
Artillery.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:44</time>
In the process of doing this and in the process of kind of making its

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:48</time>
name, it sends drones out to kind of search and record and to verify.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:55</time>
Early days of drone use early days of And something very interesting

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:59</time>
happen on one of those drone.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:02</time>
Reconnaissance missions.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:04</time>
The Iraqis heard the drone.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:08</time>
And thought it was a missile.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:10</time>
And pulled out white flags and handkerchiefs and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:13</time>
surrendered to the drone.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:15</time>
So the sick well, Or whoever was in CIC.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:19</time>
Took.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:20</time>
Those people as prisoners of war.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:23</time>
I

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:24</time>
even said that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:25</time>
The story went.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:26</time>
Like I, it must've, I think it was probably the, the Tao.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:30</time>
But it was whoever the officer was like, stood up and said, those are my prisoners.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:33</time>
Those are my prisons.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:35</time>
And so you went to the commanding officer who was captain David Bell at the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:38</time>
time and said, sir, they wanted surrender.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:40</time>
What should I do with them?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:42</time>
So this surrender was Wisconsin's like it became pioneer.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:46</time>
And one of the most remembered moments of the Gulf war, because.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:49</time>
This group of, of, soldiers.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:52</time>
Surrendered to a drone, which essentially was surrendering to

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:55</time>
somebody at a ship, miles away.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:57</time>
The sitting in a combat information center.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:59</time>
In a watch center and a, and the officer in there.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:02</time>
It says those are my prisons.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:05</time>
I just, I love that story because I can absolutely see

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:07</time>
that happen.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:08</time>
Again too, because you can imagine Navy sailors want to be a part of that action.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:12</time>
And so it'd be like you took parts as a war would be such a great

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:16</time>
moment for your Naval career.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:18</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:18</time>
You

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:18</time>
know, I would be putting that in my fitrep.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:21</time>
So one of the biggest things that come out of this, and I think it's a

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:25</time>
really good nod to the battleship Navy is one of the Saudi Marine commanders

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:32</time>
commented over the radio that he wished that his Navy had battleships.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:38</time>
And I think it's a really good testimony to what the Navy does

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:43</time>
and Navy heritage that this ships are here to fight their war ships.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:48</time>
And what the whiskey did in the Gulf war was, was pretty

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:51</time>
amazing.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:52</time>
Yeah, it was pretty amazing.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:58</time>
During the eight months it's been in the Persian Gulf.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:01</time>
It flew 348.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:04</time>
Drone hours.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:04</time>
It recorded 661 safe helicopter landings.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:08</time>
It fired 319 16 inch rounds.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:13</time>
And it lasts 24 Tomahawk cruise missiles.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:18</time>
And then all four remaining battleships that were

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:20</time>
decommissioned after the Gulf war.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:22</time>
And this was the last time.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:24</time>
Any.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:25</time>
The United States battleship act participated in a war and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:28</time>
it was the Wisconsin who was the last ship to fire those guns.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:33</time>
And wartime

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:34</time>
in combat and combat one of the things that Keith told us it.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:37</time>
It wasn't the last ship to fire existing 16 inch gun.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:41</time>
But it was the last one to do so.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:44</time>
In combat

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:44</time>
combat.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:45</time>
And so it's decommissioned for good.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:48</time>
September 30th, 1990

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:50</time>
1, 19 91.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:52</time>
So far from there,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:54</time>
then it kind of spends some.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:55</time>
The Wisconsin specifically.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:57</time>
I remember spent some time just kind of sitting in the sit around doing nothing.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:00</time>
And I believe that was right around 2006.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:03</time>
And it got kind of donated or turned into a museum?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:06</time>
Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:07</time>
March, 2006.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:08</time>
It came over to one Waterside drive.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:12</time>
Here in Norfolk, part of the Nauticus museum and became.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:16</time>
Retrofitted.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:17</time>
A lot of things were, had been removed from it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:19</time>
Of course Navy likes to repurpose and we use things.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:22</time>
A lot of things were removed from it, but it became a museum ship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:26</time>
Where we see today, which you can go on today.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:28</time>
And.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:29</time>
The motto is Forward for freedom.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:32</time>
The big whiskey has six battle stars.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:35</time>
It has the wood decks.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:36</time>
I get people who ask me, why, why does the battleship have a wood deck?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:39</time>
And this is true of all four of them give you see there

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:42</time>
was surrender on the Missouri.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:44</time>
You'll notice there on a wood deck.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:46</time>
And if you ever see.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:47</time>
Different museums will have pieces of the wood deck from that deck.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:50</time>
And you'd be like, oh my gosh, that's a word deck for the battleship Missouri.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:54</time>
Teak word is used for these battleship decks, because a it's

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:58</time>
it's very durable and strong.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:00</time>
It was less expensive at the time now where it is kind of more expensive,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:03</time>
but at the time it's less expensive than, than a steel deck than.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:06</time>
In a steel deck.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:07</time>
But the most important thing is the insulation and the relief of heat.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:12</time>
It gives to the crew inside the ship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:14</time>
Because when you think about where are these 1600 men.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:17</time>
They're inside the ship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:19</time>
And since this elbow, air conditioning and world war II.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:23</time>
With a metal deck.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:24</time>
It's basically you could be baking people inside with the heat.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:28</time>
Oh yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:28</time>
My room in the Tarawa.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:31</time>
I was right below the flight deck.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:33</time>
And I got all the sun.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:35</time>
And we had quote unquote, air conditioning.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:37</time>
It was just a nice little sauna.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:40</time>
in Ensign Bennie's a state

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:41</time>
room.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:41</time>
So the would provide some of that absorption of the heat

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:44</time>
and insulation from the heat.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:46</time>
And that, that was the biggest purpose of it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:48</time>
It's also lighter buoyant, all these other things.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:51</time>
So, so the Wisconsin.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:53</time>
The Nauticus itself right there.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:55</time>
I mean, it's a full, you could spend the vast majority of a day

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:59</time>
there with your family doing both.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:01</time>
The Nauticus side of things and the, and the battleship Wisconsin side of things.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:04</time>
So it was kind of two pieces of this.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:07</time>
You're, you're kind of paying a ticket to get the vast

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:10</time>
majority of, of, of one thing.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:12</time>
But they have tours that go around the Wisconsin.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:15</time>
They show you and all the tour guides were fantastic.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:18</time>
I mean, Doug, we've, we kind of chatted with him for, for quite some time.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:21</time>
But they all know they're all passionate about it,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:24</time>
they, most of them have served in some form or fashion, whether it's army Navy.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:30</time>
Whatever it, whatever it is, and you're often seeing, it's because

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:34</time>
it's in the Norfolk area, you're seeing retirement ceremonies there.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:38</time>
You're seeing all sorts of different actually official Naval ceremonies.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:42</time>
There I am MC'd.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:43</time>
Our retirement ceremony there within you came as, as a guest, Two months

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:34:47</time>
ago.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:34:47</time>
I will say we have been on that ship when it was blistering hot.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:34:51</time>
And we have been on that ship when it was freezing cold.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:34:54</time>
We've been, they do a fantastic Christmas where they decorate the ship with lights.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:34:59</time>
That's great.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:34:59</time>
It's pretty amazing.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:00</time>
And we brought the kids to that, but I've been on retirement

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:02</time>
ceremonies with you and you're in full uniform and we're sweating it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:07</time>
But.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:08</time>
Like you said, people who work there are so passionate about

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:12</time>
that ship and love that ship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:14</time>
And they love bringing any veteran who have served on that ship on board.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:19</time>
They really do a great service.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:20</time>
Even if you can't walk around the ship, they have cameras set up where

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:24</time>
you can sit on the first deck and they'll take the cameras to any space.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:29</time>
You worked in a, you want to see, and they'll show you the space.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:33</time>
You can see it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:33</time>
You can show your family, the space, even if you can't walk because a Navy ship,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:37</time>
I will tell people is a lot of stairs.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:39</time>
It's a lot of ladders.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:35:41</time>
They don't build military ships, to be kinda handicapped compliant.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:35:45</time>
That's just, that's just not the nature of things.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:35:47</time>
They did a really good job.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:35:48</time>
And I'm glad you brought that up of accommodating people who

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:35:52</time>
still want to come to the ship.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:35:53</time>
Maybe they've served a very long time ago or whatever it was.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:35:56</time>
And.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:35:57</time>
So there is you can walk kind of across the gangplank.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:36:00</time>
Right across the, across the brow.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:36:03</time>
You can get in there.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:36:04</time>
And if you don't, if you can't climb ladders and stuff like that,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:36:07</time>
they have that station essentially inside the ship with all those,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:36:11</time>
that just kind of a bank of screens.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:36:13</time>
What are these screens?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:36:14</time>
Will the screens go to these cameras that they set up around the ship?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:36:17</time>
Which I thought was so cool.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:19</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:19</time>
So they can take it to the engineering space.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:22</time>
We worked in the engineering spaces.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:23</time>
I've talked about that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:24</time>
It's so great.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:25</time>
If you want to go back and visit, but you can't do the stairs anymore,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:29</time>
but you want to show your family.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:31</time>
You can still go there and see the place that you've served your country.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:35</time>
And.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:36</time>
That's I love this ship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:38</time>
I love the Navy, but I love the passion that people have for it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:42</time>
I love how well they tell the story.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:44</time>
I love how well they keep up this ship.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:46</time>
It is amazing to be on it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:48</time>
And they preserved so many things on it that even when we stepped on

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:52</time>
board, It's smelled like the Navy, like the mess decks smelled like mid

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:58</time>
rats, mid rats is when you can get food at midnight, midnight rations.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:02</time>
Because you've worked all day or like me, I flew and I just got

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:07</time>
done flying and I missed dinner.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:09</time>
And they have little bits of lunch, leftover dinner

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:12</time>
leftover even some breakfast.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:14</time>
And so you can eat.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:16</time>
Something, some something more meal.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:18</time>
Yeah, and

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:37:18</time>
it brings back so many

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:19</time>
memories.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:20</time>
It really was amazing.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:21</time>
And I'm really thankful to the USS Wisconsin and their crew who provide,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:27</time>
who allowed us to come on board and tell some great CS stories.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:30</time>
And I'm really thankful that that we were able to do that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:33</time>
But if you want to get out there and see it, we definitely recommend doing it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:37</time>
The Nauticus tells a great story of the Navy in that area in Norfolk.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:41</time>
There's a lot of good Naval history there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:43</time>
It's one of the oldest harbors here in America.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:46</time>
You got the battle of the ironclads you got George Washington,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:49</time>
you got some good stories.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:37:51</time>
A little museum display inside that you can walk through.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:37:53</time>
They were like actually doing some work.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:37:56</time>
Some some more work.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:37:57</time>
I'm sure by the time this, this episode comes out, like

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:00</time>
some of that may, may be up.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:01</time>
Yeah, they have a really good, they have some great artifacts from the battle

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:05</time>
of the ironclads and they really want to showcase that even more, but it's a great.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:10</time>
Spot to visit, especially if you want to pay some homage to world war

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:13</time>
two, Korea, Gulf war Navy, or you just want to see a really awesome.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:20</time>
Last battleship, it's there waiting for you.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:23</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:23</time>
I just enjoyed it so much.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:26</time>
And we've been there, a few times now kind of in the span of a couple months.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:29</time>
Highly recommended.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:31</time>
Very easy to find you don't need links in our show notes to find it.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:34</time>
You can Google us the USS Wisconsin, battleship, Wisconsin.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:39</time>
He'll be able to find a pretty easy.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:45</time>
So as we lower the anchor on this episode, Remember that the sea of

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:50</time>
history is vast and we have only scratched the surface, even talking

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:55</time>
about the battleship Wisconsin.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:57</time>
We extend our deepest gratitude to the sailors who served on board

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:01</time>
the Wisconsin over the years.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:03</time>
And those like Keith who share their tales, those guardians of

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:07</time>
the sea who braved the storm.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:10</time>
If you're ever in the Norfolk area, you have to visit the Wisconsin, the history,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:14</time>
the guides, the grandeur of the battleship are a must see for any history fan.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:19</time>
And definitely.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:20</time>
For any sailor out there.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:23</time>
So thank you for listening to talk with history podcast, and please

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:26</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:27</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:30</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:34</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:36</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:38</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:43</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:44</time>
Thank you.

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