The rise of the Zeppelin and the Airship Roma disaster

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<p>today we're going to talk about the</p>
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<p>Airship disaster Roma okay so the Roma</p>
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<p>was an Airship that America purchased</p>
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<p>from Italy it was built in Italy</p>
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<p>and it took a maiden voyage I think the</p>
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<p>American ambassador took that maiden</p>
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<p>voyage to kind of test it out before it</p>
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<p>was purchased now Airship is basically</p>
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<p>kind of like a zeppelin just a little</p>
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<p>different we talk about this in the</p>
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<p>video yeah so we'll we can we can talk</p>
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<p>about that after I give a little okay um</p>
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<p>yeah so the Airship Roma so the Airship</p>
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<p>it was purchased by America from Italy</p>
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<p>it's White's name Roma because it was</p>
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<p>built in Rome sure and the American</p>
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<p>ambassador took the maiden voyage trip</p>
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<p>with it from Rome to Naples back to Rome</p>
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<p>and everything seemed great good old you</p>
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<p>know testing was done and they said yeah</p>
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<p>we'll buy it and they spent a good</p>
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<p>amount on it I think what did we talk</p>
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<p>about in the</p>
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<p>I think by today's standards would be</p>
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<p>like two million dollars yes like it was</p>
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<p>it wasn't inflation stuff like that it</p>
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<p>was a hefty sum yeah and um</p>
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<p>but what happened was instead of flying</p>
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<p>it so they had purchased this Airship</p>
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<p>and we'll talk about the different types</p>
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<p>for transatlantic travel so back and</p>
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<p>forth across the island at the time yes</p>
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<p>it was the largest that the Americans</p>
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<p>had ever owned it was the largest and it</p>
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<p>could be good for that type of travel it</p>
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<p>was like a mile a minute and it could do</p>
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<p>something like that relatively safe fly</p>
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<p>up above the weather you'd be relatively</p>
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<p>safe</p>
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<p>but instead of flying it to America</p>
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<p>after purchasing they pack it up they</p>
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<p>take it apart they pack it up and then</p>
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<p>when it finally gets to America and they</p>
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<p>unpack it because it's taken across on a</p>
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<p>ship so of course not quickly</p>
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<p>the skin has mildewed and deteriorated</p>
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<p>and the engines never quite run right so</p>
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<p>they actually replace the engines and</p>
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<p>they don't even have it for very long so</p>
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<p>it's purchased in November of 1921 it</p>
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<p>actually crashes in February of 1922. oh</p>
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<p>my gosh so like a matter of four months</p>
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<p>it's in operation and even in those four</p>
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<p>months they had to replace the engines</p>
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<p>things were just going wrong with it and</p>
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<p>it and it was actually like a pretty</p>
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<p>decent deal like when I made this video</p>
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<p>I actually found old video clips of the</p>
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<p>Roma you know so so it was a big deal</p>
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<p>back then to get this over here this was</p>
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<p>a a big deal in aviation because we have</p>
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<p>both been to Bases where you see durable</p>
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<p>hangers and for militaries to build</p>
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<p>these huge durgeable hangers no you know</p>
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<p>that they put a lot of effort and money</p>
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<p>into this program yeah and that's why I</p>
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<p>think they try so hard to get it to</p>
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<p>survive but it just it's disaster after</p>
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<p>disaster so in the Aromas</p>
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<p>case</p>
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<p>it was filled with hydrogen yep just</p>
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<p>like the Hindenburg</p>
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<p>but uh and then well as I'll talk about</p>
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<p>the disaster that happens but the major</p>
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<p>change that happens with the Roma is</p>
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<p>that's when America changes its air from</p>
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<p>hydrogen to helium and you said that's</p>
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<p>largely because hydrogen's obviously</p>
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<p>flammable hydrogen's flammable but the</p>
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<p>big reason why they use it is because</p>
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<p>it's it's cheap cheap and you can find</p>
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<p>it pretty easily where helium is</p>
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<p>expensive and rare and I know we</p>
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<p>probably like and that's not rare you</p>
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<p>can go get balloons filled up but it's</p>
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<p>it's compared to hydrogen right it's</p>
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<p>rare and so it would just be easier to</p>
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<p>use it and I guess people just figured</p>
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<p>oh it won't light because we won't keep</p>
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<p>any Flames bite or anything hot by it</p>
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<p>but in every instance it usually it's</p>
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<p>coming down to the ground and ignites</p>
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<p>that's what happens in the Hindenburg as</p>
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<p>well so that's what happens in the Roma</p>
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<p>yeah it was interesting right you talk</p>
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<p>about you know us being in the military</p>
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<p>we've seen dirigible hangers and you</p>
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<p>know I'm seeing these videos and making</p>
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<p>you know I'm seeing old videos as I'm</p>
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<p>making the video for us for YouTube and</p>
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<p>you know I mean America had really</p>
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<p>invested and really said like Aviation</p>
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<p>is important this is the next step and</p>
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<p>we're going to do a lot towards it and a</p>
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<p>fun thing a fun little aside about I</p>
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<p>always think about this when I think of</p>
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<p>Zeppelin or dirigible hangers</p>
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<p>is if anybody's ever seen MythBusters</p>
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<p>yes the MythBusters out in California in</p>
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<p>the San Francisco area they used to use</p>
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<p>the the dirigible hangers at Moffett</p>
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<p>Fields all the time because it was a</p>
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<p>giant empty space where there was no</p>
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<p>wind I think they actually I think one</p>
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<p>of the things they try to do in one of</p>
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<p>the the hangers we saw was the lead</p>
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<p>balloon</p>
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<p>that one of the episodes they tried to</p>
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<p>do for MythBusters that they try to get</p>
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<p>like the thinnest lead kind of material</p>
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<p>they could to try and Float an actual</p>
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<p>lead balloon yes I don't remember what</p>
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<p>the outcome was I don't remember either</p>
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<p>but they used them often yeah they did a</p>
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<p>couple different experiments and that</p>
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<p>just and just thinking about that now as</p>
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<p>we talk about it like we were all in on</p>
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<p>Aviation yes I mean they're gigantic</p>
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<p>hangers when you think of a hanger today</p>
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<p>and you're like oh a Hanger's big but</p>
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<p>when you see a durable hanger you know</p>
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<p>for one aircraft you see a georgeable</p>
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<p>hanger yeah you know there's no</p>
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<p>questioning that's a dirtual hair yeah</p>
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<p>and it's interesting because I'm a Naval</p>
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<p>aviator and if you know anything about</p>
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<p>wings Naval aviator wings the dirgeable</p>
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<p>wings are just one side of the wing oh I</p>
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<p>don't think I knew that so it's we</p>
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<p>always would make fun because we never</p>
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<p>knew anyone who went the dirigible route</p>
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<p>I think that was very early 40s and 50s</p>
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<p>when this maybe even the 30s because by</p>
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<p>38 the program is pretty much squashed</p>
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<p>yeah</p>
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<p>so when they came out with that Wing but</p>
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<p>to come out with its own specific Wing</p>
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<p>that's cool lets you know how much the</p>
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<p>military was invested in that yeah yeah</p>
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<p>no it was just it was just kind of an</p>
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<p>interesting one the more I kind of dug</p>
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<p>into it the more I realized like this</p>
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<p>was this had a ton of national attention</p>
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<p>it did and honestly so we talk about Von</p>
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<p>Zeppelin who developed the idea in 1900</p>
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<p>it it's a very plausible idea right you</p>
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<p>get high enough you can drop bombs right</p>
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<p>from a high enough distance and you</p>
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<p>would be relatively and this is so Von</p>
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<p>Zeppelin was like the German Chancellor</p>
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<p>or somebody or other that came with the</p>
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<p>idea of like dropping bombs from a</p>
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<p>zeppelin for war get high enough and you</p>
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<p>can drop bombs and there really isn't</p>
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<p>anything</p>
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<p>at the time on the ground that someone</p>
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<p>could do to stop you right right there</p>
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<p>wasn't anything they could fire from the</p>
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<p>ground that that's what what was the</p>
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<p>remind me when like some of the earliest</p>
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<p>dirigibles and airships were well that's</p>
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<p>that's when they were I'd say from 1900</p>
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<p>to 1938 okay like the early 1900s okay</p>
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<p>and I thought it was I thought it wasn't</p>
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<p>even until the 20s no just longer than</p>
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<p>that it's all low again they're</p>
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<p>prototypes sure and things like that</p>
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<p>yeah</p>
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<p>thank you</p>
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<p>we would talk about the different types</p>
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<p>of durgibles so and I and I had I had</p>
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<p>fun with that yes right in the video if</p>
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<p>you if you see the video you'll you'll</p>
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<p>understand what we're talking about</p>
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<p>but there's there's three different</p>
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<p>basic types basic types and that it all</p>
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<p>comes down to frame right so a</p>
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<p>rigid Zeppelin dirigible has a</p>
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<p>rigid frame and that's is that what</p>
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<p>Hindenburg was exactly exactly so when</p>
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<p>you see the Hindenburg crash and you see</p>
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<p>the skin basically flame out yeah and</p>
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<p>you see the frame the frame on fire and</p>
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<p>then it falls and then it collapses you</p>
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<p>see the frame you see the square of the</p>
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<p>frame that is the Zeppelin it's a full</p>
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<p>framed Airship which means the skin is</p>
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<p>lying on that frame and then the air is</p>
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<p>filling up inside yeah and we have that</p>
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<p>clip in our video so the frame holds the</p>
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<p>shape</p>
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<p>now semi-rigid is what the Roma was and</p>
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<p>that means the Keel or just the bottom</p>
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<p>is rigid so hard and then you can attach</p>
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<p>like the where people stay and things</p>
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<p>like that the coach or whatever can</p>
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<p>Indiana Jones yeah you could attach that</p>
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<p>to the to the rigid bottom but the top</p>
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<p>and the shape is basically different</p>
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<p>kind of balloons or bladders inside the</p>
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<p>skin yeah so it's not necessarily like</p>
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<p>uniform and smooth yes right but it</p>
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<p>makes it look smooth yeah it's not I</p>
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<p>wouldn't say the skin is where the air</p>
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<p>is against you have different bladders</p>
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<p>inside there that are holding the air</p>
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<p>okay okay so it gives it more stability</p>
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<p>and strength but there's nothing rigid</p>
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<p>right and so then a blimp like the</p>
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<p>Goodwill blimp is all just a bladder but</p>
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<p>again different bladders inside minus</p>
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<p>like the control bottom part yes which</p>
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<p>is nothing is it's just attached again</p>
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<p>to the skin but again you're keeping</p>
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<p>different bladders inside of it</p>
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<p>to again give it more stability so it's</p>
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<p>not just the skin helium in the skin</p>
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<p>right and that's it you poke a hole and</p>
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<p>yeah that's it no it starts leaking out</p>
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<p>yeah like a little balloon</p>
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<p>swirling around to the ground they keep</p>
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<p>different like balloons inside of it</p>
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<p>okay to give it more stability I don't</p>
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<p>think I ever actually knew that I I</p>
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<p>think in my brain I just thought like</p>
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<p>it's one giant balloon I never honestly</p>
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<p>really thought about it that much no I</p>
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<p>think you can control filling it up and</p>
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<p>things like that and you probably can</p>
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<p>control leaks yeah in that regard as</p>
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<p>well so it makes more sense but those</p>
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<p>are the three different types of Airship</p>
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<p>so when like we talk about Randy in A</p>
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<p>Christmas Story yeah who gets the</p>
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<p>zeppeliness yeah so yeah it's it's the</p>
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<p>rigid and that that's exactly what the</p>
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<p>Hindenburg is and I think the hint when</p>
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<p>you if you ever see that crashing video</p>
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<p>it does a really good job of showing you</p>
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<p>what the frame I mean one it's in it's</p>
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<p>in our video if you go and look it up if</p>
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<p>you're listening you can look watch it</p>
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<p>in our video or you can just Google you</p>
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<p>know the Hindenburg crash and people</p>
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<p>have actually like colorized the video</p>
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<p>EO and they've they've made it HD and</p>
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<p>this that and the other and as much as</p>
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<p>you can for a video from from</p>
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<p>1937. Yes um which is pretty amazing</p>
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<p>yeah you see people running away and</p>
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<p>looking yeah it's pretty amazing so it</p>
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<p>was been to the Roma was meant to hold a</p>
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<p>hundred people oh that's a lot so just</p>
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<p>like in Indiana Jones right it's</p>
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<p>supposed to be transatlantic flights so</p>
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<p>somewhat comfortable flying right and</p>
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<p>now I think if I remember right in</p>
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<p>Indiana Jones I had like to tell like</p>
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<p>airplanes that dropped out of the bottom</p>
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<p>did they ever actually have something</p>
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<p>like that so I think the Macon the USS</p>
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<p>Macon which I think was the biggest</p>
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<p>which someone actually corrected us yes</p>
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<p>it's the biggest Airship that was ever</p>
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<p>owned by the United States was made to</p>
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<p>be an aircraft carrier okay that was its</p>
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<p>purpose so just like in the movie Nina</p>
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<p>Jones if it again if anybody's watched</p>
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<p>it right think about that scene where</p>
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<p>they're trying to escape right they were</p>
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<p>escaping out of Germany in the Zeppelin</p>
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<p>and then all of a sudden they realized</p>
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<p>they were caught so they go down to</p>
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<p>wherever the hangar your Bay is we'll</p>
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<p>call it that and they drop into an</p>
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<p>airplane and Escape by dropping out of</p>
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<p>an airplane out of a zeppelin yes but</p>
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<p>they make an like most airships in</p>
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<p>America met its demise off the coast of</p>
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<p>San Francisco yeah that us but didn't</p>
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<p>have as many casualties I think it only</p>
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<p>had two casualties I think at the time</p>
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<p>because they had just issued life</p>
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<p>jackets to everybody and it was</p>
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<p>relatively warm and it crashed well it</p>
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<p>was relatively controlled crap yeah that</p>
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<p>was I think there was there was two</p>
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<p>Corrections that we had to make</p>
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<p>so the Macon was the largest the largest</p>
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<p>and the largest disaster was the Akron</p>
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<p>that's right and that happened in in New</p>
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<p>Jersey yeah just like the Hindenburg</p>
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<p>yeah and I think that was in the upper</p>
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<p>upper numbers of the 60s the people that</p>
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<p>died another military it might have even</p>
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<p>been like in the 70s or something</p>
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<p>people because on the Roma you have 34</p>
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<p>casualties nine people will survive five</p>
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<p>yeah but 34 people will die but this was</p>
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<p>the first so this is 1922. uh the Akron</p>
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<p>I think will be in the 1930s I also</p>
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<p>think the the making is in the 1930s</p>
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<p>yeah this was like the first yeah well</p>
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<p>and at the time again this was the</p>
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<p>largest one we had just brought it over</p>
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<p>from you know overseas and this that and</p>
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<p>the other we're trying to push the</p>
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<p>envelope with Aviation and all that</p>
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<p>stuff and here it is like four months</p>
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<p>and they're making video of it right so</p>
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<p>this is video that's 15 years before the</p>
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<p>Hindenburg tons of video and they're</p>
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<p>showing they're showing you so basically</p>
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<p>what fails on the Roma is that Rudder</p>
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<p>box and they're they're showing close</p>
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<p>close-up footage yeah it's pretty I was</p>
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<p>actually pretty surprised that I got I</p>
<p></p>
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<p>was able to find on YouTube such clear</p>
<p></p>
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<p>video so you can see this box it looks</p>
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<p>basically like a bike like you would</p>
<p></p>
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<p>imagine just a rudimentary box but this</p>
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<p>is how you're controlling the Airship</p>
<p></p>
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<p>and that fails it basically goes</p>
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<p>sideways yeah and it just takes a nose</p>
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<p>dive and just takes a nose dive and</p>
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<p>people were just watching this and it</p>
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<p>happens right at the Norfolk base which</p>
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<p>is now the Norfolk International</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Terminal where all the shipping comes in</p>
<p></p>
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<p>and out of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>and it cracked it hits telephone lines</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>before it hits the ground it's those</p>
<p></p>
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<p>telephone lines that ignite the hydrogen</p>
<p></p>
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<p>and then it takes like five hours to put</p>
<p></p>
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<p>the fire out so and they're different</p>
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<p>fire stations that respond and the</p>
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<p>marker that we go to in the video is at</p>
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<p>one of those fire stations yeah so</p>
<p></p>
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<p>that's why the marker is there it's not</p>
<p></p>
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<p>yeah it's and it's funny that we like I</p>
<p></p>
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<p>drive by it literally every day on my</p>
<p></p>
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<p>way to work and I had never known it was</p>
<p></p>
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<p>there so this is one of those kind of</p>
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<p>cool</p>
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<p>circumstances where there's history lip</p>
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<p>you know just right practically in our</p>
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<p>backyard that I'm driving by every</p>
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<p>single day on the way to work and you</p>
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<p>tell me where it is and I'm like oh yeah</p>
<p></p>
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<p>there's a Starbucks like 20 feet from</p>
<p></p>
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<p>there and then there's the fire station</p>
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<p>um and then you know a quarter mile</p>
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<p>around the corner is is my base so so it</p>
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<p>was purchased for a hundred and eighty</p>
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<p>four thousand so today it would be 2.7</p>
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<p>million yeah so a good chunk of change</p>
<p></p>
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<p>yeah not and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>so we talked about 34 people were killed</p>
<p></p>
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<p>eight were injured three escaped I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>thought a neat point that you brought up</p>
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<p>was like even today when construction</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>crews are like digging or they're</p>
<p></p>
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<p>building a house or they still find</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>pieces from the Roma they do screws or</p>
<p></p>
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<p>bolts or you know some sort of metal</p>
<p></p>
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<p>piece trying to think of this huge</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Airship crashing there's 400 and some</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>feet long yeah 410 feet long 82 feet</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>wide 92 feet high yeah like it's pretty</p>
<p></p>
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<p>big yeah and Langley still has a road</p>
<p></p>
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<p>named Roma Road</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>after the Roma yes I think 400 feet</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>that's that's a football field and more</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>and then some right so think think of an</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>entire football stadium essentially</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>being filled up with an Airship yeah or</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>with hydrogen yeah A flammable air yeah</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>and back then they were probably smoking</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>right they were probably sitting there</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
<p>smoking down below like ah this is just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>fun I mean everybody did right they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:03</time>
<p>didn't even think about it it's a safety</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>hazard yeah um but the the room was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>largely forgotten now because the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Hindenburg when people think of airships</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>they think of the Hindenburg and after</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>that Hindenburg crashes I mean people</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>just lose their confidence well because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>because it's so clearly caught on camera</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I think that's really what it is right</p>
<p></p>
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<p>and we see that throughout history right</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>whether it's Vietnam in the 70s and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>stuff like that so this was such a clear</p>
<p></p>
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<p>shot even by today's standards I mean it</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>was like Center frame it goes Corner</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>down so you're seeing the whole thing</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>and it's just up in flame so you you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>just see the skin just disappear and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Flame and then it just like this metal</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>frame just melts I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:45</time>
<p>think it's night yes so it makes it like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>even more yeah it's just way over the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>top so talk about some especially back</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>then yes like holy cow and I you know so</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:55</time>
<p>doing this video made me think of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>where I've heard these words were like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Led Zeppelin right so I like I Love Led</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:02</time>
<p>Zeppelin so where do they come up with</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>that name like is that an unflyable</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Airship yeah and then I thought about</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Red Hot Chili Peppers come and fly my</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Zephyr and that is is also like a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>zeppelin so and we think of airships is</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>something fun and exciting you know we</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:20</time>
<p>think about them now Around the World in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:22</time>
<p>80 Days or something they have those</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>types we like to romanticize we like to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:27</time>
<p>romanticize but like at the time it's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>interesting that America had this the</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Roma disaster which was a pretty big</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>news</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:35</time>
<p>and so we switched from hydrogen to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:38</time>
<p>helium yeah and but the Germans I mean</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>the the Zeppelin the uh the Hindenburg</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:43</time>
<p>was German right so they obviously and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>that was in 1937 so this was 15 15 years</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>later they didn't change they were</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:49</time>
<p>sticking they were sticking with it</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:51</time>
<p>um and then I'm sure they probably</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>changed their mind you know after that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>one</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>foreign this was just kind of such an</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>interesting one it's a super super Niche</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>and so I don't know how well this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>particular video ought to be perfectly</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>honest will ever really do it's not</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>going to be a high view video but it's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>super interesting it's super interesting</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>and it's a part of Aviation that it gets</p>
<p></p>
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<p>explored and it's cool like I said</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>you'll know when you see a dirgeable</p>
<p></p>
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<p>hanger and I don't think this is a</p>
<p></p>
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<p>question on Triple Pursuit that you and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I both got because we had just been to</p>
<p></p>
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<p>the Empire State Building</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>but the Empire State Building is a mast</p>
<p></p>
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<p>that's right durgibles yes they built it</p>
<p></p>
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<p>for that and they actually I think</p>
<p></p>
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<p>because they can tether off yes I think</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>they actually did it one time yeah you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>know probably in the 20s when people</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>still flew them yeah that guy probably</p>
<p></p>
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<p>got his wings he was running doing his</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>calls right he's like okay we're gonna</p>
<p></p>
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<p>tether to the top of the Empire State</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Building yes but that's what that is</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>it's a Mass for durable yeah that's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>that's really cool well again this this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>was a super fun one and this is a short</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>video and I think this will be a shorter</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>episode for us today but as you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>mentioned in the video Aviation has the</p>
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<p>saying that their manuals are Written in</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Blood and that's because of the</p>
<p></p>
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<p>experience and the crashes</p>
<p></p>
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<p>from the past like with the broma and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>the Airship Aroma crash was one of the</p>
<p></p>
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<p>earliest examples of that</p>
<p></p>
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<p>but don't forget that we can look back</p>
<p></p>
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<p>on these earliest of aviators and know</p>
<p></p>
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<p>that they were doing things that no one</p>
<p></p>
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<p>had ever done which is not something</p>
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<p>that everyone can say</p>
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