John Wilkes Booth at Garrett Farm | Historic Civil War Road Trip - Talk With History

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I do know a lot of those similarities.

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I know, Kennedy was assassinated and Johnson became president.

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Lincoln was assassinated.

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Johnson became president.

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Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln.

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Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy.

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There was a lot of these similarities.

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They were both with their wives at the time.

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Welcome to Talk With History.

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I'm your host, Scott, here with my wife and historian, Jen.

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On this podcast, we give you insights to our history inspired WorldTravels

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with the curious, the explorers, and the history lovers out there.

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Booth's day began in the dining room of the National, where he was seen

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eating breakfast with Miss Carrie Bean.

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Nothing unusual about that.

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Booth, a voluptuous connoisseur of young women, never had

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trouble finding female company.

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Around noon, he walked over to Ford's Theatre on 10th Street.

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Between E and F, a block above Pennsylvania Avenue to pick up his mail.

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Accepting correspondence on behalf of itinerant actors was a customary privilege

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Ford's offered to friends of the house.

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Earlier that morning, Henry Clay Ford, one of the three brothers who ran

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the theater, ate breakfast and then walked to the big marble post office

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at 7th and F and picked up the mail.

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There was a letter for Booth.

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That morning, another letter arrived at the theater.

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There had been no time to mail it, so its sender, Mary Lincoln, used

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the president's messenger to bypass the post office and hand deliver it.

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The Fords did not even have to read the note to know the good news it contained.

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The mere arrival of the White House messenger told them that

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the president was coming tonight.

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It was a coup against their chief rival, Grover's Theater, which was

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offering a more exciting entertainment, Aladdin or His Wonderful Lamp.

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Master Tad Lincoln and his chaperone would represent the family there.

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The letter, once opened, announced even greater news.

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Yes, the president and Mrs.

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Lincoln would attend this evening's performance of Tom Taylor's popular,

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if tired, comedy, Our American Cousin.

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But the big news was that General Ulysses S.

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Grant was coming with them.

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The Lincolns timing delighted the Fords.

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Good Friday was traditionally a slow night, and news that not only

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the president, after four years, a familiar sight to Washingtonians, but

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also General Grant, a rare visitor to town, Appomattox, would attend.

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was sure to spur ticket sales.

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This would please Laura Keene, who was making her 1, 000th

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performance in the play.

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Tonight's show was a customary benefit, awarding her a rich share of the proceeds.

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The Lincolns had given the Fords the courtesy of notification early enough

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in the day for the brothers to promote their appearance and to decorate and join

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together the two boxes, seven and eight.

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That, by removal of a simple partition, formed the President's box.

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By the time Booth arrived at Ford's, the President's messenger had come and gone.

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Sometime between noon and 1230 p.

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m., as he sat outside on the top step in front of the main entrance

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to Ford's reading his letter, Booth heard the galvanizing news.

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In just eight hours, the subject of all his brooding, hating, and

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plotting would stand on the very stone steps where he now sat.

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This was the catalyst Booth needed to prompt him to action, here.

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Of all places, Lincoln was coming here.

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Booth knew the layout of Ford's intimately, the exact spot on 10th Street

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where Lincoln would step out of his carriage, the place the president sat

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every time he came to the theater, the route through the theater that Lincoln

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would walk, and the staircase he would ascend to the box, the dark subterranean

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passageway beneath the stage, the narrow hallway behind the stage that

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led to the back door that opened to Baptist Alley, and how the president's

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box hung directly above the stage.

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All right, Jen, we, just for folks who don't know, we just

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moved and we are recording in our new, we're calling it our studio.

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So we just moved from Virginia to Tennessee.

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We are living in the greater Memphis area now, and we're pretty

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excited to record this particular episode in our brand new studio.

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Yeah, it's kind of, fitting to be here and recording this episode,

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especially since we made this.

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Video like the week the Packers came.

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It was so important for us to make this video because to realize how important

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this person was and so close to where we lived in Virginia to visit their grave

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before we moved all the way to Tennessee.

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It was important to get this video dense.

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Yeah.

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Now that intro that I gave earlier was an excerpt from the 2007 book,

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Manhunt, the 12 day chase for Lincoln's killer by author James L.

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Swanson.

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But before we dive into the video and the topic, I want to say thank you to Bill

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Sisser, who wrote in, he shot us an email, and he wrote I've recently come across

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your podcast channel, and after listening to the first few episodes, I came across

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the one on the Lincoln assassination.

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It reminded me of a book that I read in high school around 80 or 81 that compared

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the Lincoln and Kennedy assassinations.

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I looked through the list of your podcasts, I'd Don't think I saw one

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with that subject reading that book Started my interest in history and

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reading also I hope that you could look at all the similarities between

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the two stories and do an in depth podcast on them I enjoy your in depth

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podcasts and will continue to listen.

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Thank you Now I just thought that was an interesting Thing and I didn't

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know if you had ever heard of books of kind of comparing assassinations like

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So it's interesting you say that.

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As we were driving out to Tennessee, we stopped at your dad's.

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He's about halfway

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in outside Nashville

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and we went thrifting.

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And as we were thrifting, I found a picture that someone had made.

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It was their own, but they had compared the Lincoln assassination with the Kennedy

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assassination and they had put the two comparisons side by side and then they

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put like a dollar bill or I think they put like a Kennedy dollar and a Lincoln penny.

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And, and I, I, I do know a lot of those similarities.

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I know, Kennedy was assassinated and Johnson became president.

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Lincoln was assassinated.

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Johnson became president.

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Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln.

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Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy.

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There was a lot of these similarities.

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They were both with their wives at the time.

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They're both shot in the head.

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There was a lot of these similarities.

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I have heard that the reason why we haven't done this bill is because most

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of our podcasts coincide with a video.

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And because of that, we haven't covered the Kennedy assassination.

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We haven't been to Dallas yet.

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However, now that we're closer to Dallas, That is a plan to get out there.

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I do want to cover the Kennedy assassination.

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It'll probably be more than one video.

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That time and place in history is still so controversial.

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We know the papers still haven't all been released yet.

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More information is coming out

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daily.

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saying they're going to declassify stuff and they don't.

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I really feel like there's more to that story that people don't want out yet.

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I had covered something in our newsletter, historynewsletter.

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com, if you're listening that some recently within the past year or two,

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some secret service agent had kind of come out with some, I don't know if it's

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new information or a different take or a different story or something like that.

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So I just thought it was an interesting email from Bill.

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And seeing as how he wrote it and we were about to record this podcast, I

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thought it was kind of perfect timing.

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Well, it's interesting what gets people interested in history.

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And that is one of those things people are very, they like to see those

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coincidences or those things that coincide between, I mean, there's only been four

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presidents who've been assassinated.

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And so two of our best.

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biggest ones, Kennedy and Lincoln, and how much they coincide with each other.

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It gets you interested in history.

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And we're going to talk more about that because the series Manhunt has come out

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and gets people interested in history.

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However, there comes an issue sometimes when you're not

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portraying the correct history.

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So people think that's the accurate history.

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I always stress.

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Read the real book, look up the real research, because even

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Hollywood likes to change things for dramaticization and for time

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constraints and things along that nature.

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But yes, whatever gets you interested in history and one of those

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that Lincoln Kennedy Association is one of those big things.

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And I remember learning about it too as a young kid.

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And it's just funny that I saw that picture as we were thrifting

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Yeah.

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So again thank you bill to writing in.

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If anybody else wants to reach out to us you, there is a link

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to our email in the show notes.

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You can just click on it on your phone and you can shoot us an email.

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, so Jen, we made a video.

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from Portsmouth, which is just outside, just across the

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bridge from the Norfolk area.

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And we went to, was it Oak Grove Cemetery?

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Cedar Grove Cemetery to visit someone who was kind of a part of

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this whole 12 day manhunt for John Wilkes Booth, but the very end.

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So we visited a Garrett.

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So which Garrett did we visit?

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We visited Richard

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bynum Garrett.

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So the one of the boys of Richard Henry

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He's like 11.

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11 years old at the time.

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And if you read Manhunt.

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He's he's in the book because he interacts with John Wilkes

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And there's like kind of a Rick, there's kind of a, almost a transcript of

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his recounting his, his memories of those

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So we will talk more about that later in life.

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He tries to clear his family name and really give an accurate account

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of what he remembers as 11 year old.

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what transpired in those last two days.

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So it's the last two days, April 24th through the 26th.

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So remember, it is a 12 day manhunt for John Wilkes Booth.

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John Wilkes Booth is trying to make it to Richmond, Virginia.

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He believes if he can get to Richmond, Virginia, he will be put into an

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underground network and saved.

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And Honestly, that's probably true.

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Because when you think about how John Surratt got away through Canada, how

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he got into an underground network and got away, I bet if John Wilkes Wolfe

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would have made it to Richmond, he would have gotten into some underground

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network and gotten to Texas, to, to Mexico and, but They just can't seem to.

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John Wilkes Booth is held up because of his injury.

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They're not the best navigators.

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They don't really have, this wasn't planned out with the logistics of care.

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It's mostly like just trying to find sympathizers who

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helped them along the way.

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Well, and I think even we put in the video, I pulled

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a timeline off of a website.

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I think it was like halfway through this 12 days, they ended

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up like crossing a river going in the, in the wrong direction.

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yeah, they go back.

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So they try to cross from Maryland to Virginia and they go back to Maryland and

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then they realize their mistake and then then they make it across to Virginia.

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So Yeah, it's a lot of that like that that is kind of shows you it in my opinion

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that this really wasn't planned out

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Yeah.

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Not to the extent that some people may

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Yes that it really was a kidnapping plot at first That would that is what

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was planned out and then when it Moved to this assassination plot, which was

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pretty fast There was nothing on the back end to really to besides though

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the field glasses and rifles that go to the Sarat Tavern There really isn't

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anything planned out along the way.

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So even dr.

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Mudd is not Expecting them.

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He knows them.

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He's not expecting them.

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Now.

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He he's he willingly You

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It helps them, but it wasn't like it was planned that we're going to go to Dr.

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Mudd's house.

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It just happens that Booth broke his leg and knew a doctor.

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Yeah.

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So Dr.

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Mudd was kind of interacting with him.

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They saw him early, like within the first day or two of the manhunt.

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<time>00:12:33</time>
And then the Garrett's, he, they're kind of getting lost,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:35</time>
trying to get down to Richmond.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:37</time>
That's their big goal.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:38</time>
And they end up at the Garrett

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:39</time>
So they meet a confederate soldier, Willie Jett, and Willie Jett is from the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:45</time>
area and he's and they confess to him that they are the Lincoln assassinate.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:53</time>
He's the Lincoln assassin and he's his his.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:56</time>
Kind of, yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:57</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:58</time>
He's helping him escape.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:59</time>
And so, Jet and some other Confederate soldiers, although

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:03</time>
they're wanting to just, end the war and just form back into the Union

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:07</time>
and just find their peace, they do feel some kind of obligation.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:12</time>
because this person has done something so egregious in the name of the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:17</time>
South, and they've been fighting for the South, so they feel like they

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:21</time>
owe him protection in some degree.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:25</time>
So Jett knows the Garrett family, knows the farm, and so he brings them there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:33</time>
And John Wilkes Booth and Harold have a disguise that they were also Confederate

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:40</time>
soldiers, and they, they, he uses the last name Boyd instead of Booth.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:45</time>
J.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:45</time>
W.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:45</time>
Boyd,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:46</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:46</time>
You say, cause he has, it has that tattoo on his hand.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:49</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:50</time>
now.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:51</time>
In the miniseries Manhunt, which is not accurate at this point, they're

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:55</time>
wearing confederate soldier uniforms.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:58</time>
That's not true.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:59</time>
Booth, Booth and Harold never get confederate soldier uniforms.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:02</time>
They claim to be confederate soldiers, but not in uniform.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:06</time>
Jet is in uniform.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:08</time>
And when Jet introduces him to the Garrett family, he's, he lives close by.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:11</time>
He says, don't you remember me, Mr.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:13</time>
Garrett?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:13</time>
I'm from this family.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:16</time>
And And I'm heading back home and these are friends of mine

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:20</time>
who need some respite and they're going to be heading further south.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:24</time>
that was how Booth and Harold, David Harold, who's with

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:28</time>
Booth, that's how they were able to kind of stay at the Garrett farm

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:34</time>
without the Garretts knowing them at

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
at all.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
And the Garrett's welcomed them, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:38</time>
Because Mr.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:39</time>
Garrett, Richard Garrett has two sons who just fought for the confederacy.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:42</time>
also too, if you think about it, it made, that makes a lot more sense to

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:45</time>
me that they welcome in these strangers, one, because his son's just got back from

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:49</time>
fighting on the Confederate side, but two, if you've got a neighbor saying,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:53</time>
these are my friends, they need help.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:56</time>
You can't, when you have someone vouching for someone else that goes a long way.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:01</time>
And that was very much how business was transacted in that time, because it

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:08</time>
was very much, you couldn't trust people, but you could trust people who knew you.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:13</time>
And if they were willing to vouch, it made you more at peace

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:18</time>
with, with helping other people.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:20</time>
So that's exactly why the Garrett's allow Booth and Harold to stay in their house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:26</time>
And so Richard Garrett, Richard B.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:30</time>
Garrett.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:30</time>
So I'm going to say Richard H.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:31</time>
Garrett, who's the father, and Richard B.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:33</time>
Garrett is the grave we visited.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:35</time>
That's the son.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:35</time>
son.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:36</time>
He's 11 years old at the time.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:38</time>
So he has two older brothers, John and William, who have

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:41</time>
fought for the Confederacy.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:42</time>
They just got back from Appomattox.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:49</time>
They, when Booth comes to the house with Jett and Harold,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:53</time>
it's about three o'clock on it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:55</time>
April 24th and introduced to Richard H.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:01</time>
Garrett.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:01</time>
He says, yes, they can come stay with me.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:03</time>
We can have come have dinner.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:05</time>
They come and relax.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:06</time>
And then the two boys, John and William returned that evening from

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:10</time>
visiting a friend nearby, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:11</time>
So they just got back from the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:13</time>
war.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:14</time>
going to, they're going to,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:15</time>
going to see people.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:16</time>
Yeah, they haven't seen it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:17</time>
And they're wearing very confederate uniforms because they just got back

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:21</time>
from the surrender of Appomattox.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:23</time>
And so they all sit around the dinner table that night.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:26</time>
And this is a big family.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:29</time>
Now, again, this is not shown in Manhunt at all, but there's four sisters, there's

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:35</time>
a governess, there's little children, Richard's 11 which would be Garrett,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:39</time>
but he also has Three little sisters,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:42</time>
So there's, it's a, it's a whole like probably 10 to 12 people.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:45</time>
to 12 people.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:46</time>
And so it's a, it's a boisterous conversation.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:49</time>
They're talking about the war.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:50</time>
They're talking about their experiences.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:51</time>
They're asking Booth about his experiences with the war, thinking

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:55</time>
he's Boyd who has fought in the war.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:57</time>
So Booth is making up stories, but he is an actor.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:01</time>
So he's very good at taking the stage

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:04</time>
10 telling a

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:05</time>
Telling a story.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:05</time>
And so it was a really great evening.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:08</time>
That's how Richard remembers it, that everyone just had a really great night.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:13</time>
And Booth stays in the house, they help him into bed, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:18</time>
He gets a good night's sleep.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:19</time>
And Richard B.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:21</time>
Garrett, she has a room with him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:23</time>
So he just remembers feeling safe with this guy.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:26</time>
He's been welcomed into the family.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:32</time>
He remembers seeing the gun belt on the bed.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:35</time>
is junior.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:36</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:36</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:37</time>
And he, the next morning, so April 25th, he helps him

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:41</time>
dress in the morning and they go outside and they have breakfast.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:47</time>
It's as Booth is playing outside with the other children.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:50</time>
Remember, there's little children, little girls.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:52</time>
I mean, he really loved playing with these kids out in the yard.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:56</time>
And you even, I think you had mentioned it.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:58</time>
In the video like he had a compass he had a magnetic compass.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:02</time>
So he was like showing the kids how kind of how it worked and kind of showing them

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:05</time>
Oh, hey, you know if you bring something metal close by it'll move and that was

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:09</time>
kind of a something that was called out

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:10</time>
And what's so significant is that compass is in the museum at Ford's

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:13</time>
Theater, because that's the compass Booth uses to go the wrong way on

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:18</time>
the river and, and basically escape.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:23</time>
This is the scene, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:25</time>
So you can understand how later in life when Richard is trying to talk about

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:28</time>
their his experience with this family, how the Garrett's feel bamboozled, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:34</time>
So it's later.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:36</time>
I think that evening, they have some conversation around, The

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:40</time>
assassination of the president, because at that time, it's been 10 days,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:44</time>
And so the words getting

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:45</time>
the words getting out.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:46</time>
And so John and William are talking about it at around the dinner table.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:49</time>
And they're like, they're offering 100, 000.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:53</time>
Oh, my gosh, I would turn them in myself if I knew and Booth

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:56</time>
kind of has fun with that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:57</time>
Oh, you would you would turn them in, huh?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:59</time>
And so it's kind of a running joke, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:03</time>
So no one still doesn't suspect anything.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:06</time>
That next day, while they're playing out in the yard with

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:08</time>
Booth, John and William are there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:11</time>
And this is the end of the war.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:14</time>
So there are people kind of walking by the front of the house in the front gate.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:19</time>
There are people riding on horses.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:22</time>
There's just people going back to their lives.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:25</time>
And somebody comes through the front gate and starts walking down

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:28</time>
the path to the main house and they notice Booth get nervous.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:34</time>
And he asks Richard B.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:36</time>
Garrett, the junior, the 11 year old, to run up and grab

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:39</time>
his gun belt off the bed stand.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:42</time>
And he does.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:43</time>
And he brings that gun belt down and gives it to Booth.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:45</time>
Booth swings it around his hips and buckles it up.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:48</time>
And that is when they go,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:52</time>
What is going on?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:53</time>
Why does he want his gun belt?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:55</time>
What is he afraid of?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:57</time>
What does he think is going to happen?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:59</time>
Like, when you really think about this, if he really has been through war,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:04</time>
Like John and William have claimed to, have also been through war.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:08</time>
They're not feeling afraid right now for their lives because the war is over.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:13</time>
We are all trying to get back to our lives right now.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:16</time>
And we've all kind of put up the truce flag.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:20</time>
So for him to be grabbing his gun belt leads them to believe he's

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:24</time>
wanted or afraid for another reason.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:28</time>
And that is when John Garrett, the older son starts to insist to his father, they

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:37</time>
shouldn't sleep in the house tonight.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:38</time>
Something's up with these two.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:40</time>
So it's the older son who brings that to his dad's attention.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:51</time>
that's how booth ends up staying in the house the first night and then

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:56</time>
Like you or like we find out, you know here in just a bit he ends up

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:00</time>
sleeping in the barn the next night

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:02</time>
So the big claim is Booth wants to get up early with Harold.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:05</time>
They want to get on their way and John insists they sleep into the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:13</time>
tobacco barn because if they're going to get up early, they don't want

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:16</time>
him rousing the people in the house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:18</time>
And then John also has he's nervous because there's children and women in the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:23</time>
house and Booth seems a little unhinged.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:27</time>
And so he thinks it's better for them to get in the barn as well.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:29</time>
But he also thinks they might steal my horses.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:33</time>
And so he locks them in the tobacco barn unbeknownst to them.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:38</time>
okay.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:39</time>
So in the miniseries, I try to, and I'll tell you what all is

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:42</time>
wrong with the miniseries at that point, but they are knowingly locked

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:45</time>
in the barn in the miniseries.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:46</time>
That's not true.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:47</time>
And they didn't know.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:49</time>
So it's late that night into that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:51</time>
It's late that night on the 25th that the Calvary will catch up to the Garrett farm.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:57</time>
They go straight to the main house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:59</time>
They take Richard H.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:00</time>
Garrett, the father, out.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:01</time>
They put a rope around

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:02</time>
Did, did they I mean, did they find like the neighbor?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:06</time>
So they found jet.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:08</time>
They questioned him.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:09</time>
He said, Oh, he's at the Garrett farm.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:12</time>
And that, so that's how they, they got over there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:14</time>
Yeah, they found

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:15</time>
So they had just been like canvassing the countryside and

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:18</time>
they were basically honing in, they found jet and then that's how

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:21</time>
they had, they zeroed in on the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:23</time>
Jet was the key to

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:24</time>
Okay.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:24</time>
Oh,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:26</time>
I left him at the Garrett farm.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:27</time>
And so the Calvary I think is probably feeling they're not there

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:31</time>
It's been two days, but they feel like this will be our next step.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:35</time>
So when they get to the Garrett house, they pull mr Garrett out and mr.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:38</time>
Garrett answers the door in his nightgown, they pull him out and they put a rope

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:43</time>
around his neck and they throw the rope up a tree, threatening to kill him

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:48</time>
if he doesn't tell him what happened.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:50</time>
And that's when John Garrett stops everything and says, no,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:54</time>
I put them in the tobacco barn.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:56</time>
And they said, well, he said, I put him in the barn and they look around.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:59</time>
There's four barns.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:59</time>
You better tell us what barn.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:00</time>
And he goes, it's the tobacco barn.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:02</time>
And that's when they go over to the tobacco barn.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:05</time>
So it really is like it happens fast and they're still not sure who this guy is.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:11</time>
Like they're not saying we're looking for the Lincoln assassin

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:14</time>
. Scott: Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:14</time>
We're looking for John Wilkes Booth.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:16</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:16</time>
and so that's when, in the scene around the barn is, he kicks

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:21</time>
Harold out because Harold gets scared.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:24</time>
Harold doesn't have a weapon.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:25</time>
Harold doesn't want to fight.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:26</time>
He kicks him out.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:26</time>
John Wilkes Booth tries to negotiate for a fight against their best man, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:32</time>
And then they just kind of smoke him out.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:33</time>
Well, I don't know.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:34</time>
Boston Corbett claims he is looking through a crack

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:37</time>
in the wood, in the boards.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:39</time>
He claims he saw John Wilkes Booth raise his pistol to fire it and he fires.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:45</time>
Now Harold will say he shot, he shot, John Wilkes Booth

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:50</time>
who will never move again.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:50</time>
He shot through the neck.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:52</time>
He's not shot in the back of the head like they try to depict in the miniseries.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:55</time>
Same as Lincoln.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:56</time>
He shot through the neck.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:58</time>
It's a completely different gunshot wound than Lincoln.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:01</time>
Lincoln shot.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:02</time>
in the head through the brain.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:04</time>
Lincoln's not paralyzed.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:05</time>
Lincoln is just unconscious, never regains consciousness.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:09</time>
Booth is shot through the neck.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:10</time>
He's conscious the whole time.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:12</time>
He, he lives for hours.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:13</time>
About six hours later, he'll die.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:17</time>
Harold is taken out, tied to a tree.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:19</time>
He keeps whimpering.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:21</time>
He keeps making up stories.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:22</time>
He's I wasn't a part of this.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:24</time>
I didn't.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:24</time>
He really is like a simple minded man.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:27</time>
And he really is trying to make up.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:29</time>
I was bamboozled into this.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:31</time>
And I don't know who this

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:32</time>
He's trying to get out of

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:32</time>
trying to get out of it, making any story he can, and they're just

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:35</time>
kind of letting him over there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:37</time>
run his mouth.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:38</time>
And they bring Booth onto the porch.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:41</time>
Booth is attended by think of those young women in the house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:44</time>
There's four Garrett sisters who are in their 20s and late teens.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:51</time>
There's one governess.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:52</time>
Well, and, and the book too, in the excerpts that I was looking at

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:56</time>
there are a couple paragraphs before, what I, what I read in the book talks

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:00</time>
about how pretty well known John Wilkes Booth was and how handsome he was.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:06</time>
And, and he was a bit of a ladies

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:08</time>
He was.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:09</time>
And so that's why when these women kind of gather around him, they wipe his brow.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:14</time>
And they like put a handkerchief of water in his mouth so he can have some moisture.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:19</time>
And it's Lucinda Holloway, who's the governess of those small children.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:22</time>
in the house who it's very romanticized how she like holds his

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:27</time>
hands and holds him near to her.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:29</time>
She cuts a lock of hair

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:31</time>
This is after he's been shot.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:33</time>
after he's been shot.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:33</time>
He's laying on the porch.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:35</time>
They

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:35</time>
This got shot through the neck, He

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:36</time>
He can't do anything.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:37</time>
Can't move.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:38</time>
And they bring a doctor and the doctor is yeah, he's going to die.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:43</time>
And so they just make it like it's a very moving scene.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:47</time>
moment for these women, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:49</time>
Still not knowing who he is,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:51</time>
Oh,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:52</time>
just that he's this handsome

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:54</time>
person that the Calvary tracked down.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:56</time>
And you have to remember John Wilkes Booth has shaved

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:58</time>
his mustache at this point.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:00</time>
He shaves his mustache at Dr.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:01</time>
Mudd's house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:02</time>
So even when people look at pictures, they, the picture they're looking at the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:06</time>
showing of Booth, that famous picture, people will look at it and go, yeah,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:09</time>
that's him, but without the mustache.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:12</time>
So they have to kind of like, squint a little to go.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:15</time>
Yeah, that's him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:16</time>
But he's shaped his mustache.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:17</time>
It's such a distinctive,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:19</time>
Feature.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:19</time>
on his face that he's taken off that he does still look like

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:22</time>
him, but it's not quite the same.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:24</time>
It'd be like, Tom Selleck shaving his mustache.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:27</time>
It'd be like, okay, that's him, but it's not, not quite how I know him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:31</time>
You would know, yeah, that's Tom Selleck, but it's not quite how I picture him.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:35</time>
Tom Selleck put that mustache

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:37</time>
Exactly.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:37</time>
So that's how Booth was.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:39</time>
He's very known for the mustache.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:47</time>
So he passed away there on the Garrett farm, and it's not until after his

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:51</time>
death that they fully understand the Garrett family, who this man is,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:59</time>
because it's then that they start to get questioned by the people in charge there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:05</time>
And they start to go, we had no idea.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:09</time>
We suspected something, but we weren't.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:11</time>
Sure, this is, oh my gosh, we've been giving refuge to Lincoln's

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:16</time>
assassin . We had, they had no idea.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:18</time>
So they don't even know till after he's dead.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:22</time>
And so then Booth's body is taken back to D.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:24</time>
C.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:24</time>
and we, we have more videos on what happens after that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:27</time>
So Richard Garrett, 11 years old, remembers all of this.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:30</time>
And he in the 1880s will write a paper trying to, I wouldn't say clear his family

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:39</time>
name, but it's more explain his family name because he feels like for the rest

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:45</time>
of his life, his family will never know.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:48</time>
recover from this.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:49</time>
So he writes a paper really explaining how much they didn't know and how they

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:54</time>
were just trying to be good Christian people helping out somebody and then they

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:00</time>
were completely blindsided by all this and they never would have given refuge

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:05</time>
to the president's killer and and so he really explains his memory of it all

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:10</time>
because it's very much from an 11 year old child so it's very much from a innocent

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:14</time>
Yeah, this is how I felt.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:16</time>
This was, you think about it and I'll try it.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:18</time>
Think about an 11 year old trying to describe something to you, right?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:22</time>
They're going to tell you kind of how it felt and how much fun it was.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:24</time>
They're not going to remember details or cues that adults

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:29</time>
would pick up on necessarily.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:31</time>
Exactly.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:32</time>
So that's the grave we visit.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:35</time>
So when I found out that Richard B.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:38</time>
Garrett was buried at Cedar Grove Cemetery in Portsmouth,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:41</time>
Virginia, I'm like, we have to go

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:43</time>
And that's only like 15 minutes from where we lived.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:46</time>
And it's, it's an amazing little cemetery.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:49</time>
So it was established in 1832, very old.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:52</time>
And it's, it's historic.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:55</time>
We didn't know this, but this is where Pickett, from

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:57</time>
Pickett's Charge, was founded.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:00</time>
First buried

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:01</time>
right.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:01</time>
Before they moved

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:02</time>
before they moved him to Hollywood Cemetery

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:05</time>
in Richmond.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:06</time>
And then there's also like the, the creator, I don't know if that's the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:12</time>
right word of the designer of the CSS Virginia, the first ironclad

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:16</time>
of the South is also buried there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:18</time>
And they have a whole little CSS Virginia dedication area where

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:22</time>
they have a bunch of Confederates who served on the CSS Virginia

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:26</time>
and then we actually came across and chatted for a while with

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:30</time>
some gentlemen who would help restore the cemetery because I guess in the

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:35</time>
late 90s and you mentioned this in the video it had been in shambles and then

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:39</time>
the the Sons of the Confederacy came in and basically you know overhauled

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:44</time>
and just prettied everything up

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:46</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:46</time>
I mean, you can imagine cemeteries get into a lot of disrepair and neglect, but

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:50</time>
in the 1960s it was like more than that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:52</time>
It was vandalized.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:54</time>
And so they came in and just cleaned everything up.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:57</time>
And there was some, he was even saying there was some mausoleums

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:59</time>
that were kind of broken into and you could see inside of them and stuff.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:03</time>
And they cleaned all that up and they fixed

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:05</time>
and it's very it's it's a lovely cemetery

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:08</time>
It is.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:08</time>
And there's a lot of history there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:10</time>
And Garrett was one of them.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:12</time>
And so to find Richard Garrett, that 11 year old boy, and to kind of talk

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:17</time>
about his memories of those last two days, the 24th, of April, 1865.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:25</time>
And the hunt for John Wilkes Booth.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:26</time>
It was just amazing to be able to do that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:30</time>
And I really was excited because I had read the book Manhunt.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:35</time>
The series was coming out.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:37</time>
I thought this is such a great piece of history to have found and to talk about.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:42</time>
And then when I watched Manhunt, I'm like, Oh, I'm so excited to see Richard Garrett.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:47</time>
And he's not even shown.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:53</time>
you said they were the miniseries didn't portray the whole Garrett

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:57</time>
farm Garrett family accurately at

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:00</time>
didn't do any.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:00</time>
So it's so off.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:03</time>
And if you're a historian, you're going to be pretty upset.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:05</time>
There's a lot of things in the, the Manhunt miniseries that is, is way off.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:10</time>
There's lots of things that are great.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:12</time>
I think the man who plays John Wilkes Booth looks fantastic.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:16</time>
But there's so many things that are way off.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:18</time>
Let's start from the basics.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:19</time>
Stanton, the Secretary of War, never leaves DC, yet he seems

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:24</time>
to be at the Garrett farm in the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:26</time>
miniseries.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:27</time>
He's, he's questioning that we're like, no, this is Garrett.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:30</time>
Stanton stays in DC.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:31</time>
He runs Things by telegraph and they show that some in the series,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:35</time>
but he's also a heavyset man.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:37</time>
He also has a huge beard, nothing like the actor who portrayed him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:40</time>
So that was kind of weird.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:43</time>
At the Garrett farm, all they meet is Julia Garrett.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:47</time>
She's supposed to play one of the daughters of the Garretts.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:51</time>
Now, the hard part for me to kind of understand is you have

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:54</time>
many daughters to choose from.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:57</time>
You got Catherine, you got Ann, you got Cecilia , you got They're

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:00</time>
all in their 20s and Cecilia's 15.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:03</time>
You got Lucinda Holloway.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:04</time>
That's the governess.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:06</time>
She's 34.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:07</time>
You got the three little girls, Lillian, Harrietta, and Cora.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:10</time>
There's no Julia.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:12</time>
There was a Julia Garrett.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:14</time>
She was born in 1848.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:16</time>
She dies in 1851.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:18</time>
That's so interesting that when, Writers who were writing these shows,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:23</time>
I mean, some of them do phenomenal jobs and they're very accurate,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:26</time>
very close to real world facts.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:28</time>
And then this one, it's such a famous event.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:32</time>
I mean, it's, it's such a big part of American history.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:36</time>
I think you and I were talking about it the other night.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:38</time>
There's, there's really no need for them to alter the facts.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:41</time>
You can, you can leave certain things out, right?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:44</time>
But, The, the facts themselves are so out of this world I can't

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:49</time>
believe that actually happened.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:51</time>
We've said it before, kind of reality is stranger than fiction here.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:54</time>
I know, I don't understand.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:55</time>
And

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:56</time>
I know James Swanson was there at some point, and I know

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:00</time>
he was given some advice.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:01</time>
If it was me in my book, I'd be like, No, pick another name.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:06</time>
Make it Lucinda the holloway.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:07</time>
She has a, she has a very she cuts the hair from both sides.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:11</time>
booth, make it her.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:12</time>
If you're going to make some girl there who's I, it could destroy my honor if

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:16</time>
you stay in my room, make it her, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:18</time>
Why would you make it a Julia Garrett who died at two years old in 1851?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:22</time>
Like, why would you, that's not even an accurate person.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:26</time>
So what they did is they took out all the men.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:29</time>
There's no Richard H.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:30</time>
Garrett.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:31</time>
There's no John or William Garrett.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:33</time>
There's no Richard B.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:34</time>
Garrett.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:36</time>
There's no men interacting.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:37</time>
It's like she, is the only one at the house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:39</time>
They're all gone.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:41</time>
She interacts with Booth and Harold.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:43</time>
Then she insists they sleep in the tobacco farm because of her honor if her father

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:47</time>
is going to find him in her bedroom.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:49</time>
the crazy part is, is right, a, a, a series a story is always about

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:53</time>
tension and, and this that and the other.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:55</time>
And in the real world facts are in my mind, would create so much

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:01</time>
more tension in a, in a scene, especially for a series like this.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:04</time>
Think about, it's all about ups and downs in a story.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:08</time>
And think about this.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:09</time>
Unexpected up in the hunt for John Wilkes Booth, right here the first 24 hours He's

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:16</time>
like having a grand old time and they're telling stories and it's this big family

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:20</time>
as this event and And you as a watcher as a reader would just feel conflicted

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:26</time>
because you're like, oh, here's this It's a nice thing that's happening, right?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:32</time>
The viewer knows the reality of who this person is.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:35</time>
So there's that tension there, but they didn't, they didn't

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:38</time>
use that in the miniseries.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:34:39</time>
It's crazy to

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:34:40</time>
It's crazy.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:34:40</time>
That dinner scene would have been amazing.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:34:44</time>
to show 12 people and after the war and what it was like to kind of be

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:34:49</time>
on the losing side, but trying to rebuild family and everyone kind of.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:34:55</time>
But then starting those little pieces that are picking away at his story, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:00</time>
So much so that the next day they go, you should sleep in the barn.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:03</time>
So the first night we, we welcome you with open arms, you're given a bed, you're,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:08</time>
you're sitting around dinner, we're having a great time, and so much so that your

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:12</time>
story gets picked away the next day.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:13</time>
day that you're in the barn.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:15</time>
That's perfect movie, drama, cinema.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:19</time>
I don't know why they did it that way.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:20</time>
It really, it bothered me so much because I, we had just found Richard B.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:24</time>
Garrett.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:25</time>
We had just told his story.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:26</time>
He's so much a part of this end of a manhunt.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:29</time>
And then he's not even shown in the miniseries.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:32</time>
I was like, Oh my gosh, they really missed the mark

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:40</time>
And that really is what happens after the booth is caught and taken back to DC.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:46</time>
I mean, Richard H.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:47</time>
Garrett, the father will testify at the Lincoln conspiracy trial about

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:51</time>
everything that he remembers and how he was, he felt completely bamboozled.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:56</time>
Now he's not Charged with anything.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:58</time>
He's not sentenced to anything.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:35:59</time>
So I think his story is very credible, credible and believable.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:03</time>
What happens is the The court of public opinion where he lives in Locust Hill It's

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:11</time>
never welcomed back into the community.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:36:14</time>
name and his family's name is kind of ruined.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:16</time>
It's ruined.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:16</time>
Their family is ruined They can't really do business anymore.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:20</time>
The house and the property will go into a disrepair

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:36:24</time>
And you said that Richard B.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:36:26</time>
Garrett Jr, the son, he actually becomes a pastor, like a

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:30</time>
Yeah, he becomes a reverend.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:31</time>
He actually has a parish and they will, they put something on

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:37</time>
his tombstone from 1899 to 1920.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:41</time>
He becomes a reverend.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:42</time>
So, in the Richmond area.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:46</time>
He actually dies in Richmond, Virginia.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:48</time>
So it's funny.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:49</time>
He dies in Richmond, spread to Norfolk.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:51</time>
Pickett dies in Norfolk, spread to Richmond.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:53</time>
And you talk about this a lot.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:36:54</time>
Like back in that day, they really like to move

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:36:58</time>
Yeah, I think I, I commented on that when you told me about

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:37:01</time>
them, them moving Pickett.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:37:03</time>
I was like, man, they would move the dead around all the time back in the day.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:37:06</time>
They'd bury them over here and be like, nah, 10 years later, I'm

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:37:08</time>
gonna move them up to this plot.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:10</time>
I know.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:10</time>
It's weird.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:11</time>
I don't know.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:12</time>
Maybe they like to look at dead bodies.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:13</time>
I don't know.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:13</time>
It's very weird.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:14</time>
They, to do that, but that's, he's buried alone.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:19</time>
So there's no other real Garrett's around him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:21</time>
I there's no, Garrett's around him, all the rest of the Garretts are

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:27</time>
all in another part of Virginia.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:29</time>
Now what's interesting, and I point this out in one of the videos, is

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:32</time>
he's buried beside a Corbett family.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:36</time>
And remember, it's Boston Corbett who kills John Wilkes Booth.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:40</time>
So the Garrett grave, Richard B.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:43</time>
Garrett, is right beside.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:37:45</time>
This whole Corbett

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:46</time>
This whole Corbett plot.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:47</time>
So it's like these two names that are synonymous with the end of John Wilkes

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:37:50</time>
Booth are actually buried together.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:37:53</time>
But you, you said that from what you could tell your, your brief

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:37:56</time>
research, that that wasn't those Corbett's weren't related to Boston

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:00</time>
Yeah, and I don't believe they are.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:02</time>
And the thing about Boston Corbett is we have never done a video on him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:06</time>
And it would be interesting.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:07</time>
He's very interesting person, interesting life, so much so that

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:11</time>
people don't even know what happened to him at the end of his life.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:13</time>
He kind of got lost to history.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:16</time>
the people don't really know where his grave is today, and we don't even know

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:19</time>
if Boston Corbett was really his name.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:21</time>
Oh, interesting.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:22</time>
it's one of those things that is, if someone wanted to dive into that

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:27</time>
research and really pull that out, like he is one of those people in history that

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:32</time>
did something very significant, but never never fully researched to know the truth.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:38</time>
It's his Pistol too.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:40</time>
I think it's, Swanson had said one of those artifacts lost to history.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:45</time>
No one knows what really happened to the Boston Corbett pistol

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:38:49</time>
that killed John Wilkes booth.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:54</time>
I would still recommend the miniseries.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:38:56</time>
It's well done Even if not historically accurate but the book itself the manhunt

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:02</time>
book It was supposed to be very, very good

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:39:05</time>
The book is fantastic.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:39:06</time>
And if you find it on audio, I listened to it, it was available

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:39:10</time>
through my library for free.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:39:12</time>
I actually bought the book at the Surratt Tavern, so that is

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:39:16</time>
still there for you to go look.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:39:18</time>
Remember, John Wilkes Booth never goes inside because he's on his horse with

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:39:21</time>
the Broken Lake, but Harold does to get the rifle and the field glasses.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:39:25</time>
But it's a great book.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:39:26</time>
The Sarat Tavern is still there, part of the story.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:39:29</time>
If you want to follow that path of John Wilkes Booth's escape,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:39:33</time>
that's all still there for you.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:39:34</time>
We have some

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:35</time>
So actually someone commented that they're doing like a John

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:37</time>
Wilkes Booth like escape tour.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:40</time>
on on the video.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:41</time>
They actually commented that they were going to be doing that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:43</time>
So it was pretty cool.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:49</time>
All right.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:49</time>
History buffs.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:50</time>
That's it for this episode.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:52</time>
We followed the frantic escape of John Wilkes Booth and David Harold, all the way

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:39:57</time>
to the Garrett farm, a desperate fugitive hold up in a barn, a nation in mourning

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:02</time>
and a fiery end to an infamous manhunt.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:05</time>
It's a chilling Tableau.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:08</time>
For those who want to dig deeper, check out the show

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:09</time>
notes for some great resources.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:11</time>
James Swanson's book, manhunt is a fantastic read.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:14</time>
As we mentioned before, as always, if you have any thoughts or questions

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:18</time>
about the episodes, reach out to us at the email on our show notes, just

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:21</time>
click the link and shoot us a note.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:22</time>
Your feedback really fuels the fire for us.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:25</time>
And as always, we rely on you, our community to grow, and we

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:28</time>
appreciate you all every day.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:30</time>
We'll talk to you next

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:40:31</time>
we appreciate you

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:40:40</time>
That's how we'll talk about all those things.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:42</time>
are gonna have to put some stuff on the walls in this room.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:40:45</time>
Oh, yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:40:46</time>
I think I might bring the, it's a wonderful life picture up.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:49</time>
Well, no, I'm talking about for sound.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:51</time>
I can hear

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:40:52</time>
Oh, what do you mean like that?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:40:54</time>
What goes on the

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:55</time>
It's probably more like corners.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:40:57</time>
You can do, you don't have to buy things for that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:41:00</time>
You can, you can do there's tons of like homemade solutions that

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:41:03</time>
will reduce the echo in a room.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:41:05</time>
So this will look really hodgepodge.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:41:07</time>
no, no, we can, we can make it look, look good.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:41:11</time>
I mean, you can buy stuff.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:41:12</time>
I don't know.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:41:12</time>
I haven't really dug into

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:41:14</time>
I know.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:41:14</time>
but I can hear the echo in here, especially when you, we start

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:41:19</time>
both start projecting that's fine.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:41:21</time>
We'll figure it out.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:41:22</time>
So, okay.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:41:25</time>
Ready?

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