The Desegregation of Marriage in America: Loving vs Virginia

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<p>I said, I think to learn who you want to is all right.</p>
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<p>That no man should have anything to do with, it's a God given, right?</p>
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<p>I think Mildred Loving married the boy Next door, Richard Loving.</p>
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<p>Richard Loving is a construction worker, Mildred loving the</p>
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<p>daughter of Sharecropper.</p>
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<p>They were born and raised in Caroline County, Virginia, where</p>
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<p>white and colored people seem unaware of the racial prejudice</p>
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<p>that exists in much of the country.</p>
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<p>The Lovings didn't know that it was a crime for a white person</p>
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<p>to marry a Negro in Virginia.</p>
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<p>They found out the hard way.</p>
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<p>Welcome to Talk with History.</p>
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<p>I'm your host Scott here with my wife and historian Jen.</p>
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<p>Now tonight, we don't have any guests, but we are talking about</p>
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<p>our most recent video, and that is the video on the Loving Couple.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>So Jen, why don't you give us like a quick background on the Loving Couple</p>
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<p>or kind of why we decided to do this</p>
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<p>one.</p>
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<p>So it, it kind of was.</p>
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<p>A perfect story to tell at the perfect time.</p>
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<p>It it's the week of Valentine's Day and it's Black History Month.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>So the loving couple were the, the face of the Landmark Supreme Court</p>
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<p>case that allowed interracial marriage to be legalized in the</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And I actually remember you, you had dug up this particular history case because</p>
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<p>Probably a few months ago.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>And I had kind of written, written it down, and when you told me a little bit</p>
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<p>about that story, I was like, oh my gosh.</p>
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<p>From a.</p>
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<p>Storytelling perspective.</p>
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<p>This is such an incredible story cuz they have all these ups and downs Yes.</p>
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<p>In what they go through.</p>
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<p>So give us a little bit of the, like, set the stage for us on,</p>
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<p>on this, this, this couple.</p>
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<p>So Central Point, Virginia is kind of how it sounds.</p>
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<p>It's like the central point of Virginia.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>It's square in the middle.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>It really is of the state.</p>
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<p>It's very</p>
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<p>rural.</p>
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<p>We show it in the, in the map.</p>
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<p>It's.</p>
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<p>Like the closest thing is Bowling Green.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>Bowling Green is the closest city.</p>
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<p>Sparta.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>It's kind of like a city.</p>
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<p>It's it's what, like an hour and change from Richmond?</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And it's, it's just a rural area, like really it's just two roads, a</p>
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<p>church country store and a school.</p>
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<p>It is out</p>
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<p>in the middle of nowhere,</p>
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<p>out in middle of today.</p>
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<p>There's not even the country store.</p>
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<p>So, so it's pretty much rural in the middle of nowhere.</p>
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<p>And at the time of the lovings, You know, in their youth and living</p>
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<p>there, this is around the 1950s.</p>
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<p>It is a very integrated, racially integrated town.</p>
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<p>The people did intermarry there and they basically just minded their own business</p>
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<p>and they had always kinda lived that way.</p>
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<p>And.</p>
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<p>Mildred and Richard Mildred's real name was her maiden name was Jeter, and</p>
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<p>there's a lot of Jeters in the cemetery.</p>
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<p>You can see their names.</p>
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<p>And her mother's maiden name was Bird, b y r d, and there's a lot of birds in the.</p>
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<p>Cemeteries.</p>
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<p>Well, and that country store was owned by the Bird family.</p>
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<p>So Mildred and Richard are both kind of from a long fam</p>
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<p>familiar line in that area.</p>
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<p>And it's a</p>
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<p>beautiful area.</p>
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<p>Like we were driving out there and I was, we were talking on the way out.</p>
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<p>. It's part of the, one of our favorite things we get to do on</p>
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<p>Walk with History is, is drive to some of these more random locations.</p>
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<p>Cuz it was a gorgeous country.</p>
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<p>I mean, it's, it's out in the farming country.</p>
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<p>And I believe one of the things, one of the, the clips we put in</p>
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<p>the video was some old news clips from the sixties and seventies.</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>and they.</p>
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<p>I think actually that kind of the intro for our video is one of the</p>
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<p>news clip intros from 1967 or 68.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>And the news person says like, you know her, she's the daughter of a sharecropper.</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>, you know.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>She's the daughter.</p>
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<p>So again, they've had long family history that lived out there, and</p>
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<p>like I said, people pretty much interracially married there, so really</p>
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<p>they didn't think anything of it.</p>
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<p>And so, They fell in love.</p>
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<p>They fell in love in high school.</p>
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<p>They decided to get married in June of 1958.</p>
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<p>And you couldn't get married in Virginia though because of the Jim Crow laws.</p>
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<p>If you were interracial.</p>
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<p>And this is because there was the Racial Integrity Act of 1924 made it so your</p>
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<p>birth certificate and your marriage certificate had to have your race on it.</p>
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<p>Oh, interesting.</p>
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<p>And so they made sure, and it really was to protect white.</p>
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<p>Right.</p>
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<p>Yeah, because it, there's only two categories.</p>
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<p>You could be white or colored, right?</p>
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<p>So if you weren't white, you were every, everything else was colored.</p>
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<p>So Mildred is not just African American, she's a Native American.</p>
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<p>Right?</p>
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<p>And that is very, if you go to the cemetery like we</p>
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<p>did, They have their tribes.</p>
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<p>Oh, I think I, I</p>
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<p>missed that</p>
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<p>tombstones.</p>
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<p>Oh, cool.</p>
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<p>And so it's a very Native American area as well.</p>
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<p>And that really is what she identifies more as an American Indian.</p>
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<p>She actually will say that like she really doesn't identify as African American.</p>
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<p>And so, but because you only are two races colored or white, If they were</p>
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<p>going to try to get married in Virginia because of that act, you couldn't get</p>
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<p>married because of what is on your birth</p>
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<p>certificate.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And, and, and that's one of the things that I, I kind of knew happened,</p>
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<p>but I didn't know much about the laws or the state specific laws.</p>
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<p>Right.</p>
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<p>And that at that time, I mean this wasn't long after was Brown versus</p>
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<p>the Board, board of Education.</p>
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<p>That's</p>
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<p>1955.</p>
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<p>That's, so it's 1955.</p>
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<p>So</p>
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<p>three years later, three or four years later, why to get married.</p>
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<p>Right.</p>
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<p>So a lot of these laws, people don't realize that those, these</p>
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<p>things are kind of sticking around.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And especially in some of the more southern states.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>. People are digging in their heels.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>They don't wanna change.</p>
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<p>And so June 2nd, 1958, they drive to Washington, DC and get married.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And come back down to Central Point, Virginia to live their lives.</p>
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<p>And it's a little over a month later, July 11th, that the police raided their house.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>I mean they, that was crazy.</p>
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<p>They opened and now, now people didn't lock their doors, but they</p>
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<p>open their doors come in and.</p>
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<p>Try to catch them in bed in the act.</p>
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<p>Yeah, but they're sleeping cuz it's like two in the morning.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>Right.</p>
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<p>And they're married.</p>
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<p>So who's doing that at two in the morning when you're married?</p>
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<p>You know?</p>
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<p>So, yeah, that's a great point.</p>
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<p>. . We're tired.</p>
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<p>I know.</p>
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<p>And so they shine the flashlights on him and they're like, you know,</p>
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<p>you can't be in here together.</p>
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<p>You can't be cohabitating as a married couple.</p>
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<p>And Mildred points to their marriage certificate.</p>
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<p>It's framed on the wall and he, they're like, that's no good here.</p>
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<p>And it's because they're trying to be married, cohabitating.</p>
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<p>They are arrested and they're taken to prison.</p>
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<p>And what's very interesting at the time is mild is actually pregnant</p>
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<p>at the time.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So actually I don't, I didn't realize that until we watch Mr.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>We watched Mr.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Beats mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>channel.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So not Mr.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Beast, the big YouTuber, but Mr.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Beat.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Historian, it's a very large channel.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>After you watch this, I'd encourage you to go check it out.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Cause he, he, he does a great job on a ton of</p>
<p></p>
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<p>stuff.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah, he does.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Like, he, he really is hitting Supreme Court cases.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And because this is a Supreme Court case, he talks about it in that lens.</p>
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<p>We try to tell more of the story of their life.</p>
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<p>With</p>
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<p>the Supreme Court.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And their story.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I mean, if you haven't watched our video, this is honestly probably</p>
<p></p>
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<p>one of my favorite videos that I've made in quite some time, cuz</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I think it's just such a powerful</p>
<p></p>
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<p>story.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>It is a powerful story.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And so when you think about a woman newly pregnant in prison, you would think they</p>
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<p>would want to get her out right away.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>But that's not what happens.</p>
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<p>Richard is bailed out right away.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And the judge keeps Mildred in jail for two more days because they're</p>
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<p>afraid they're gonna cohabitate again.</p>
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<p>And so they don't want her to be bailed out.</p>
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<p>And then go back to her husband.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So they make, they allow her father to bail her out under the</p>
<p></p>
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<p>stipulation that they, she won't go back to the house with her.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And,</p>
<p></p>
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<p>and we even show a news clip now of, obviously this was</p>
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<p>after everything was successful.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And, and their, their case goes all the way up to the Supreme Court.</p>
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<p>She even says to the news people and his sister,</p>
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<p>his sister got a bonding company to get him out.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And they told the bonding company if they tried to get me out, that</p>
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<p>they would put him back in jail.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I look at Richard's face when she's telling that story cuz I, to me it</p>
<p></p>
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<p>seems very crippling as a man who's trying to take care of his wife, right?</p>
<p></p>
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<p>You don't want your wife in prison and you're free and you're told,</p>
<p></p>
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<p>well, if you try to get her out, we're gonna put you back in prison.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>It.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So they, I, I just really love the Lovings and I know that's funny</p>
<p></p>
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<p>to say because they don't, they're very unassuming couple, they're</p>
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<p>not looking for this publicity.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>They're not looking to be the face of the Supreme Court case.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>All they're looking for is to live their lives in peace, and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>this is what it's gonna take.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So in January of 1959, they go to court for this arrest and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>they're found guilty and they are ordered to one year in prison.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>or they can leave the State of Virginia and not come back together for 25 years.</p>
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<p>Yeah,</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I I, I even when you kind of told me that, that part of the story and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I was making the video that just.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>It was so hard for me to process.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>. Right.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And I guess maybe that's because those of us nowadays are the large majority</p>
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<p>of folks living in the United States.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Like, can't fathom Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>A law like that.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>A restriction like that.</p>
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<p>Like uh, the hatred like</p>
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<p>that.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah, the hatred like that.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So they moved to Washington, DC and they get a small apartment, but</p>
<p></p>
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<p>the law kind of watches them and is very, it's a game of Cat mouse.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Mildred will come back to Central Point to have her baby.</p>
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<p>And Richard will come back to be there with the birth of his child.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Oh.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And it's right after they have the baby, they're arrested again.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And so then they, they go back to DC and so it's very much like they.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I mean, this is their family.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Like I told you, they're very rooted in this area.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>They try to come back for birthdays and holidays, and it's very much</p>
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<p>the police trying to catch them.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Like that's what they're very occupied with</p>
<p></p>
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<p>because all their fam, I mean, both of them have long family ties in the area.</p>
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<p>So it's, it's in 1964.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Mildred is just, I mean, she's depressed.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>She misses her family.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>They're living in dc they're living in dc They're living in a small apartment.</p>
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<p>Richard is a, is a brick layer, so he's getting work, but it's hard work</p>
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<p>and their kids don't have any space like they have in Central Point,</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Virginia to run around and play in the, in the yard or in the field.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And so their youngest son is playing out front and gets hit by a car and he's not</p>
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<p>injured, but it's enough to send Mildred over the edge where she writes a letter to</p>
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<p>the Attorney General of the United States.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And that's Robert F.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Kennedy.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And Kennedy gets this letter good on him and forwards it to the A C</p>
<p></p>
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<p>L U, the American Civil Liberties Union, and they do pro bono legal</p>
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<p>work that is going to forward.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>the Constitutional Rights of America.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And it gets into the hands of two lawyers in Alexandria, Virginia.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And Cohen is kind of like the face, right.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>For those two.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And that, and that was one of the cool things that, that I like making about</p>
<p></p>
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<p>these, these kinds of videos that are a little bit more recent history because</p>
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<p>you can find news clips of everybody.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So if you haven't watched our video, if you're listening to the podcast,</p>
<p></p>
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<p>you know, definitely, definitely go watch the video because you get</p>
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<p>to see Richard and Mel talking.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>You get to see.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Cohen.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>You know, we don't have clips of him talking.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I didn't, I didn't play those.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>But you get to see all these old news clips of, of this stuff happening, right?</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And some of it we, I was able to pull, there was an HBO special mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>, kind of like a documentary made on it not too long ago.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So they had kind of aggregated some stuff.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So I, I pulled p bits and pieces from that, and then some from the</p>
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<p>actual original news clips that are floating around on YouTube.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yes, it was, it was.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So, it's really neat for me as a video maker, To be able to see</p>
<p></p>
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<p>these people, and it really kind of makes the story that much more</p>
<p></p>
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<p>impactful.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And you, you get to see them both.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Richard is very, he's stoic.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>He's quiet.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>He doesn't say much.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Mildred is the more outgoing of the two, and that says a lot</p>
<p></p>
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<p>because they're both not outgoing.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>She's also quiet, but she's well spoken and she's, she's beautiful.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>She's very slender.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>, and together they just, they make.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>You know, they make a, a very, I, I guess a, a loving couple.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>They're not very demonstrative, but they sit very close to each other and they</p>
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<p>very are supportive of each other, as</p>
<p></p>
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<p>they say.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Well, they're not very demo demonstrative, like when the news meet is around.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah, because they had, like, the reason we had all these news clips is because</p>
<p></p>
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<p>there was a news camera at their house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Like in their kitchen.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>They told us we would come to the Supreme Court if we wanted to, but</p>
<p></p>
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<p>so probably wouldn't understand just up to us if we wanted to come.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So we didn't even go.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I didn't want to go.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I'm nervous enough tonight.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Do you think that this brings you closer together?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yes, I do.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I think, I guess.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Dude,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I don't think so.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>You know, and there actually was, there is some clips of them</p>
<p></p>
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<p>outside of some of the courthouses.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>They didn't end up going to the Supreme</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Court.</p>
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<p>No, but so what happens?</p>
<p></p>
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<p>The Cohen's, the Cohen Law Firm files a motion right away.</p>
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<p>to vacate their prior conviction.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So they can go back to Virginia and he does it through the</p>
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<p>Virginia Supreme Court.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And that happens in 1965.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And that is why we go to Richmond, Virginia, right in our video</p>
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<p>because the Virginia Supreme Court is in Richmond, Virginia.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And there is a marker there.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>To, you know, memorialize this case.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>But at the time, yeah, when we were there, when we were there, they're doing</p>
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<p>construction on that side literally</p>
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<p>right of the quarter between the two buildings where the</p>
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<p>marker was supposed to be.</p>
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<p>The, the, the construction zone is right between these two buildings and they</p>
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<p>take, they took the marker down, you know, of accordingly cuz they're fixing</p>
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<p>and they just lean it up against.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>The building, the supreme, the, the court building, but in a location that</p>
<p></p>
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<p>you really can't read it or see it, they could have made it a little closer to</p>
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<p>the gated area where you have to walk.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>We</p>
<p></p>
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<p>actually had to walk around the block like once or twice we saw it, like, and we</p>
<p></p>
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<p>actually went, there was, there was like, there was a park on the other side and</p>
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<p>so we actually asked these cops that were over there with like their, with their.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>You know, police dog dogs.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And, and we were like, Hey, do you guys know where this marker is?</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Like, are we allowed to go in that construction area?</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Because I think we, I think I finally spotted it.</p>
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<p>Yeah, we, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So I finally spotted it and we're like, are we allowed to go in there?</p>
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<p>And the cops were looking at us like, we're kind of half crazy.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And they're</p>
<p></p>
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<p>like,</p>
<p></p>
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<p>we're like, we have a history channel.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>All we wanna do is</p>
<p></p>
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<p>video tape.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>They're like, yeah, we're not even allowed to kind of really go in there.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I don't, I think if it's gated off, it's gated off.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>We're like, ah, dang it.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And so that's, We were, we were walking around, which actually we found some other</p>
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<p>cool stuff that we'll probably associate.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Show some clips from like on Instagram and stuff like that.</p>
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<p>What's the capital?</p>
<p></p>
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<p>But didn't, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So, was some other really neat stuff there, but eventually we</p>
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<p>found like a good vantage point Yes.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>To get a good shot.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So we got a shot of the marker leaning up against leg, up against</p>
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<p>the courthouse and then you about</p>
<p></p>
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<p>it.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>But we do great comparison about leaving their rural roots to fight</p>
<p></p>
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<p>the big fight in the big city.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>In the urban jungle.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And so we do that kind of talk.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So what happens?</p>
<p></p>
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<p>In the 1965 Supreme Court case is the judge upholds the, the guilty verdict, but</p>
<p></p>
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<p>he vacates their 25 years living outside of Virginia, so they're actually able</p>
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<p>to move back to Central Point, Virginia.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So even as the Supreme Court case goes to DC they're back in Virginia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Oh, I don't think I realize that.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So that is, And they don't go to the Supreme Court case, but Cohen goes to see</p>
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<p>them in Virginia and he asks, Richard, is there anything you would like me to</p>
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<p>say to the judges of the Supreme Court?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And that's when Richard will say, tell the, tell the judge I love my wife.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Like it's so simple to him.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>It's so basic to him.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I love my wife and I want to be married to her legally, and I want to live with her</p>
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<p>and have no issues with us being arrested.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>For just trying to live a normal life.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And that is so powerful that in 1967 when Cohen goes to argue</p>
<p></p>
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<p>this case in front of the Supreme Court, it's a unanimous decision.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And what I think is important, these are all white.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Male judges.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Older.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Older.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And they all vote in favor of striking down the, the law and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>making interracial marriage.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Legal nationwide.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And they used the 14th Amendment you know, equality for for everybody.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And that race is, is too subjective to limit someone in marriage.</p>
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<p>And so there were.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>You would, there's mostly the southern part of America had still</p>
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<p>uphold interracial marriage laws.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>But once that is decided by the Supreme Court, the legislation doesn't fight back.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Of course, then all those laws are overturned.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So there was, I think we said in the video there was 16 states that, that had laws</p>
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<p>like that at the time that were basically overturned by what the Supreme Court said.</p>
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<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Obviously in practice that probably took a little bit longer but.</p>
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<p>. I, I'm not too, me personally, I'm not too surprised that this, the Supreme Court</p>
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<p>justices that were there did overturn it.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Because if you think about it, it's civil rights era.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It's, and actually by the time it gets to them, we're, we're, we're almost on</p>
<p></p>
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<p>the other side of the civil rights era.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Not, not completely.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>But it's 67.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It's not the late fifties.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So this has been going on for about 10 years.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>and.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>The case is decided June 12th, 1967.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And since then, June 12th has become Loving Day.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Oh, I don't think I knew that.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So if you ever wanna celebrate Loving Day, it's June 12th and that is the day</p>
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<p>that, you know, interracial marriage was legalized in the, in the nation.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And of course, we talk about this, I don't think we talk</p>
<p></p>
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<p>about this in the video, but Mr.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Beat does this is gonna open the door for other equality marriage laws Absolutely.</p>
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<p>In the nation.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Mildred and Richard will move back to Center Point.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>He will build her a house.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>The house still stands today.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>It's on Passing road.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>We didn't quite make it to the house.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>It is, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>We, we, we missed it.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>We were looking around for the description and it was actually a</p>
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<p>little bit further away from the church.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>But it's</p>
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<p>on passing road.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>We, and we realized, and it's interesting that.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Passing is the word.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>For the road there, because passing is another term that's used if you</p>
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<p>are light-skinned enough but still have a African-American blood you</p>
<p></p>
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<p>can be, you can pass for white.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So that's what that the term is, is sometimes used for.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And it's interesting that that's in Center Point, Virginia.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And these are people who are interracially marrying.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So that's kind of like a interesting.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>That you'll know when you hit that road passing in Sparta, but it's</p>
<p></p>
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<p>not too long Later in June of 19.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>75 that Mildred and Richard are driving close to home and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>they're hit by a drunk driver.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And Richard will die in the accident and Mildred will lose her right eye.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>But Mildred will never remarry and she will forever live in that house.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>That Richard built for her.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And then she will eventually, she succumbeded to pneumonia in 2008.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So we were lucky enough to visit their graves and they're buried.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Is it St.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Patch?</p>
<p></p>
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<p>St.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Steven's Baptist Church, and that's in Central Port, Virginia.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And right across from the church is the graveyard.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>You can't, you can't miss that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And you can tell that this is a family graveyard.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>There's a lot of jeters and birds and Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And it's not too far.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>You can actually look up the, the loving couple historic marker.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>, that's on one of the main roads.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And it's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>From the marker.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I I'm pretty sure you can Google it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And actually what I'll do is I, I mark these on like a, a Google map.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>And I'll share that Google Map page.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>I think it's Sparta</p>
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<p>Road, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>That takes you all the way into when you hit passing road,</p>
<p></p>
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<p>that's when you know you're in</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>You, you could probably look up where the marker is.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And like I said, I'll, I'll share the link in, in this video description</p>
<p></p>
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<p>to, to the Google Maps link.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And you'll have like a little map of where that is.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Those couple points are.</p>
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<p>From there, it's basically like 10 miles.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It's 11, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>11 miles.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It's, it's straight in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It says it right on the marker.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>. So it's actually not too, too difficult to, to, to find.</p>
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<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>No.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And you know, they put historic markers on more well-traveled roads,</p>
<p></p>
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<p>and so this is like highway 3 0 1.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It's Richmond turnpike.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And so this is like a, a busier road.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And so if you can imagine it takes you 11 miles from that busier road.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>. Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>That's how rural the area is.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>But it was just an honor.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Like I really felt it was important to tell this story at this time in the</p>
<p></p>
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<p>month and just to being recognition to them, they seemed like a couple that</p>
<p></p>
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<p>really didn't want the recognition.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Scott has alluded to a time, came out after the decision was made and did</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>a whole Photography session with them and recorded them, that that kind of</p>
<p></p>
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<p>got their faces more into the media.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>and people got to realize more about this case.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>But they really never wanted so much attention, but they were</p>
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<p>proud of what they had done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And even Mildred at the end of her life Al always was very proud</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>that, that they had fought for their marriage and for their love.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Today, the United States Supreme Court handed down a decision</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>the Lovings ordeal is at last.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Richard and Mildred Loving have won the right to be man and wife,</p>
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<p>father and mother in the state of.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>anti miscegenation laws have been declared illegal, not only in Virginia, but in all</p>
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<p>16 states that have held such statutes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>and this was, this was such a fun story.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And, and again, I encourage you, if you're watching the live streamer,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>if you're listening to the podcast, you know, a after you're done</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>here, go go and find the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It's, it's one of, it's not a super long video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:19</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Even just like tonight's live stream.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:21</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:21</time>
<p>, this is.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>A shorter live stream for us, cuz it's a quick and easy and successful and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>happy story to tell, but it, the, the things that they dealt with, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Being, you know, falling in love and then they can't get married so they</p>
<p></p>
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<p>go somewhere else to get married.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:36</time>
<p>They hit the high and then they.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Come back and a month later they're arrested for, for being married, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:41</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>. And they hit a low.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And so then, then they leave and they're living together and it's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>another high, and then the sun gets, so it's this up and down story, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>they just, the one thing they do to persevere is that they stay together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:52</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>. And then finally they, they write the letter to the attorney general</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>and connect with the A C L U.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And their court cases eventually carried on it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>For the most part.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:00</time>
<p>They were close before the case happened.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:02</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:02</time>
<p>It might have made, brought them closer.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>But I think looking at them too, and their answer that they gave, they were pretty.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Solid before the case even happened, so, . Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I think what's the most incredible part is their last name.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>. Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:18</time>
<p>It's, it's almost like there's, there's no way this story is real.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:22</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>. But it, it's true.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And it's one of those ones that I think they were the couple that was, this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>was meant to, this was meant to be.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>They, they weren't, Over the top, they just like, Hey, we</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>just wanna live our lives.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:35</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>. And so it was, it was truly an incredible</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>story, I think for me too, not being from Virginia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And you always hear the slogan, Virginia is for lovers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:42</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I think for me it gives new meaning to that slogan now.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>absolutely.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:46</time>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p></p>
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