Lincoln Presidential Museum: An Immersive Experience

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<p>So I'm going to lead off with another bad joke.</p>
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<p>Oh goodness, did we get a review?</p>
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<p>Is it a Lincoln joke?</p>
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<p>Give me your best Lincoln joke.</p>
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<p>Oh, this is definitely not my best.</p>
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<p>This was the first super lame dad joke I could find on the internet.</p>
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<p>Something to do with Lincoln logs or something?</p>
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<p>So while walking to the Capitol building with some members of</p>
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<p>Congress, Lincoln picked up a crumpled piece of paper off the ground and</p>
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<p>he dusted off the note, read it, laughed to himself, and that was it.</p>
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<p>One of the men he was walking with.</p>
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<p>Asked Lincoln to share the humorous contents with the</p>
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<p>group and Lincoln resisted.</p>
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<p>He just said I'm not one to tell dirty jokes</p>
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<p>That's it.</p>
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<p>I did not say I did not promise that that was gonna be a good joke.</p>
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<p>It was a bad joke</p>
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<p>Welcome to top of history.</p>
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<p>I'm your host Scott here with my wife and historian Jen.</p>
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<p>But, this is Bad Jokes, Good Reviews.</p>
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<p>This segment, we didn't get another good review.</p>
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<p>However, comma, hopefully the bad joke will prompt someone to leave</p>
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<p>us a good review because that's, that's what we're asking for.</p>
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<p>Jen, uh...</p>
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<p>We're kind of coming back from the West.</p>
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<p>We came back from Little Bighorn, we came back from Denver, and Wyoming,</p>
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<p>and all that stuff, and on our way back across the country, we wanted to stop</p>
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<p>at, uh, some place that had been highly recommended to us by a friend of ours,</p>
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<p>um, It, this was Abraham Lincoln's kind of presidential library museum.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>Springfield, Illinois.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>We stopped in Springfield and went to the, decided to go to the</p>
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<p>museum and we were pretty blown away by what we experienced there.</p>
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<p>So, the museum and library, they're right beside each other.</p>
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<p>They're right in downtown Springfield, Illinois.</p>
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<p>The museum is on, they're both on 6th Street and they're across the street.</p>
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<p>So you have 212 6th and 112 6th and it's the museum.</p>
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<p>Library.</p>
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<p>And we thought, Oh, this will be neat.</p>
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<p>We'll go in.</p>
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<p>We'll see the museum.</p>
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<p>It's a presidential museum.</p>
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<p>And we've been to a couple of presidential museums.</p>
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<p>So we kind of knew what to expect along that line.</p>
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<p>But when we walked into this museum, it felt more like Disney.</p>
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<p>Like when you go see the Hall of Presidents,</p>
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<p>it literally felt like you had walked into a section of Disneyland or</p>
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<p>Disney World, you know, pick your poison.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And we kind of walked in and like, we're like, oh my goodness, like,</p>
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<p>what are we, what are we walking into</p>
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<p>here?</p>
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<p>And then they're like, you want to watch the movie first?</p>
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<p>And we're like, okay, I guess, cause sometimes we don't watch the movie if</p>
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<p>we've done the research before we go.</p>
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<p>But you want to watch the movie here because it is</p>
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<p>very much like a Disney ride.</p>
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<p>It's like taking you on the story.</p>
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<p>It felt like if anybody growing up in the Los Angeles area,</p>
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<p>like I did, oh, Captain EO with Michael Jackson way back in the day.</p>
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<p>It felt like that with the hall of presidents.</p>
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<p>Yes, and we couldn't show it on the video So if you're if you watch the video, of</p>
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<p>course, it'll be in the show notes of this podcast episode You when you come in</p>
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<p>it's kind of off to the right But you're not allowed to film or take pictures do</p>
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<p>any any of that stuff in there They do show some clips of it on the website.</p>
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<p>Yeah, so that's kind of what that is I walked out of there and I was</p>
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<p>like, I turned to you and I was like, I don't know how they did that.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>It's, it's like you have a narrator who comes out and tells you</p>
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<p>that a real person, a real person who talks about Lincoln and, and Lincoln's</p>
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<p>life, but mostly like Lincoln's.</p>
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<p>Legacy.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And like his papers and basically the stuff you're going to find at the library</p>
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<p>and things you want to preserve about Lincoln's life and that there's still</p>
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<p>things out there about Lincoln's life.</p>
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<p>They're still finding stuff today and and that the office is pretty</p>
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<p>much left the way Lincoln left it.</p>
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<p>You know, they kind of recreated the office there.</p>
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<p>And then you learn that the narrator was someone who died in the Civil War.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And</p>
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<p>we, so we won't spoil the end of it, but it, it, it's seriously</p>
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<p>like the kids walked out and they had huge smiles on their faces.</p>
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<p>I walked out, I was like, I honestly don't know how they, it was, it was magic.</p>
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<p>It was</p>
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<p>so cool.</p>
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<p>The kids didn't know how they did it either.</p>
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<p>It really, so if you go.</p>
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<p>You're going to be like, and it does set the stage for the rest of the</p>
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<p>story as you walk through the museum.</p>
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<p>So really do not miss the movie if you go to the Lincoln Museum.</p>
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<p>So what is the Lincoln Museum and why is it in Springfield, Illinois?</p>
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<p>You know, Lincoln's not born in Illinois.</p>
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<p>That's right.</p>
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<p>He's born in Kentucky.</p>
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<p>He's born in Kentucky.</p>
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<p>He's born in Kentucky, February 12th, 1809.</p>
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<p>And, but his life, his family is very much like these homesteaders.</p>
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<p>Trying to make their way and we're actually they stay kind of his</p>
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<p>grandparents actually start in Cumberland Gap So we're kind of in the same area.</p>
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<p>Oh, yeah</p>
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<p>For those listening Jen and I are actually as we record</p>
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<p>this we are in the western tip of Virginia We are in Big Stone Gap.</p>
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<p>Yes, which is a fun little thing and we've got videos coming out on that But yes,</p>
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<p>he does make his way from Kentucky up to</p>
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<p>Illinois up to Illinois.</p>
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<p>And so it's like he goes from Kentucky to He's self taught.</p>
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<p>He, you know, his, his, he's the second child born.</p>
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<p>His mother dies when he's young.</p>
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<p>He helps, you know, bury his mother.</p>
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<p>His father quickly remarries.</p>
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<p>He has a very good relationship with his stepmother.</p>
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<p>But then his sister dies in childbirth.</p>
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<p>So he has a lot of loss early on.</p>
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<p>And he really does, like, have to make, make his own way in the world.</p>
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<p>And so he'll go to like New Orleans.</p>
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<p>He will.</p>
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<p>And we depict that in the museum.</p>
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<p>They really start with like two sides of Lincoln's life.</p>
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<p>They do like his life before the presidency and then during the presidency.</p>
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<p>And one of the very first things you're going to walk into is kind of</p>
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<p>a recreation of the Lincoln log cabin.</p>
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<p>Yeah,</p>
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<p>that was, it was really, and you literally walk inside.</p>
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<p>of this log cabin and feels so Disney.</p>
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<p>It's like Disney Imagineers.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>It's got the mannequins.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And so you see young Lincoln reading by the fire and self taught and what</p>
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<p>his life was like on the frontier.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>With, you know, in a small one room log cabin where he probably slept</p>
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<p>in the loft with his sister and then his parents slept in the main room.</p>
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<p>Downstairs, but by night he would sit by the fire and read and so you get to walk</p>
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<p>in and see him do that You get to be in the presence of that which is super cool</p>
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<p>Yeah, and then it'll kind of take you as he kind of he leaves his family After</p>
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<p>his sister passes, he tries to make his way As a clerk he learns business and</p>
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<p>and they do kind of And part of that as well, they do show what</p>
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<p>a slave auction would look like.</p>
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<p>So</p>
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<p>when he goes to New Orleans, right?</p>
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<p>And they, they show as, cause he did some boat piloting along the Mississippi and</p>
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<p>he would have gone down to New Orleans and he would have seen enslaved auctions</p>
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<p>in New Orleans and they, they depict one.</p>
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<p>So again, with the whole kind of imagineer full mannequin.</p>
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<p>Uh, and they do a very graphic scene of a mother being torn</p>
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<p>away from a husband and a child.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>So basically you're showing the break up of a family and the trauma of that.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And the, and the,</p>
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<p>it's interesting.</p>
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<p>It, it felt to me like they showed that it was basically kind of right</p>
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<p>after the, the log cabin portion.</p>
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<p>So relatively early in his young adulthood, he experienced this and,</p>
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<p>and they had a quote from him basically saying like he could never really</p>
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<p>do that or hit a comment on that.</p>
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<p>Yeah, he could never understand how a democracy could</p>
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<p>be built on something like that.</p>
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<p>Right.</p>
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<p>So basically what it's showing you is he's young, he's impressionable,</p>
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<p>he's learning to make his way in the world, and he's basically</p>
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<p>becoming more world, worldly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:44</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:45</time>
<p>And so he's seeing things that he hadn't seen before on the frontier.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:49</time>
<p>Um, parents were not of means not enslavers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:52</time>
<p>So, but he's seeing this for the first time and then he it's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:55</time>
<p>making an impression on him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:08:57</time>
<p>So when he goes into business and he starts to learn bookkeeping and store shop</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:02</time>
<p>keeping, that's when he really gets into the law and starts reading the law book.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:06</time>
<p>And from there, he's going to become a lawyer, a self made lawyer.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:11</time>
<p>And, uh, and that's when he's going to eventually get to Springfield, Illinois.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:15</time>
<p>He goes to a clerk in Springfield, Illinois, and he</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:20</time>
<p>really likes the shop there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:23</time>
<p>He moves upstairs and starts to practice law in Springfield, Illinois.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:28</time>
<p>And that's why the presidential library is there because the longest span of his</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:32</time>
<p>life is in Springfield, Illinois from 1837 to 1861 when he moves to the White House.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:38</time>
<p>So that is why his presidential library is there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:41</time>
<p>That's where his home is.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:43</time>
<p>And we'll do another video about his home.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:44</time>
<p>That's where his grave is.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:45</time>
<p>So all the things like related to that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:49</time>
<p>And Lincoln are in Springfield,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:50</time>
<p>Illinois.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:51</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:51</time>
<p>And they, and as you kind of walk through the museum, so you've walked out</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:54</time>
<p>of the log cabin kind of by the slave auction, and then you walk in through</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:57</time>
<p>his early life, his time on bookkeeping.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:01</time>
<p>And the more you learn, the more I've learned about Lincoln, the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:04</time>
<p>more I realized how many things he tried and how many things he did.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:10</time>
<p>Even as a young adult, really, even before he got into the law and into politics.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:16</time>
<p>I mean, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:17</time>
<p>Like you said, he was working on the river.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:19</time>
<p>He was, I mean, he was, he worked, he literally worked his way up into,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:25</time>
<p>into the highest office within the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:28</time>
<p>United States.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:29</time>
<p>Physically demanding jobs.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:32</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:32</time>
<p>He was cutting wood.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:34</time>
<p>Remember he gets hit in the head by the horse.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:36</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:36</time>
<p>And they think he died for a short time died.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:37</time>
<p>He probably knocked him unconscious.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:38</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:39</time>
<p>I mean, and he, he likes to wrestle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:41</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:42</time>
<p>So he does very physically demand, he works at the farm and then</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:45</time>
<p>he's working a pilot on a, a boat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:47</time>
<p>And that, that's a physically demanding job.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:48</time>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:49</time>
<p>And then he's bookkeeping, which, uh, in a store, which is not just keeping</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:53</time>
<p>tabs of the books, but it's inventory and stocking and putting stuff away.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:57</time>
<p>So he's learning, he's learning business.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:58</time>
<p>And he's doing the physical stuff as it moves into the more of the,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:02</time>
<p>um, white collar kind of, uh, work where it's not as physically</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:07</time>
<p>demanding, but it's in Springfield that he's going to meet Mary Todd.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:10</time>
<p>It's in Springfield.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:11</time>
<p>He's going to marry Mary Todd.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:13</time>
<p>It's in Springfield that all of their four boys will be born.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:17</time>
<p>So it really is the place that he turns becomes a man.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:22</time>
<p>Yeah, and then from there They kind of do a good job of summarizing</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:26</time>
<p>Kind of is his home life and his early work life up through the presidency</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:31</time>
<p>and one of the things that we actually call out in the video when they start</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:36</time>
<p>getting into his work and political life is How many times he tried and failed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:40</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:41</time>
<p>And how many times he kind of succeeded and it was all interspersed throughout.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:45</time>
<p>It's not like he failed a lot early in the beginning and then all of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:47</time>
<p>a sudden had a slew of successes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:50</time>
<p>It was like a success here and a failure there and then another</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:53</time>
<p>failure and then another success.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:55</time>
<p>And it was, it was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:56</time>
<p>so interesting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:57</time>
<p>It was very interesting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:58</time>
<p>They also really, they depict a moment.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:01</time>
<p>That in Lincoln's life, which is kind of true about his whole life with his</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:05</time>
<p>children, where he wasn't very much of a disciplinarian, he allowed his kids</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:10</time>
<p>really to have free reign and be kind of, you know, unruly, unruly, and he</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:16</time>
<p>doesn't, so they're like destroying his office and they depict that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:19</time>
<p>And again, in the imagineer kind of setting, he's laying on the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:24</time>
<p>couch reading law papers and his kids are destroying his office.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:29</time>
<p>They're jumping on pens.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:30</time>
<p>I mean, they're,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:30</time>
<p>they, they, they make it sound like they were being playful.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:33</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:34</time>
<p>Way more than what the average parents would say, like, Hey,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:37</time>
<p>don't throw my ink plot across</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:39</time>
<p>the office or whatever, you know?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:41</time>
<p>And they said that he didn't want his children to have</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:43</time>
<p>adult worries like he did.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:46</time>
<p>So you can really understand that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:48</time>
<p>And just like you had said, Lincoln will have these highs and lows.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:52</time>
<p>Throughout his political career throughout his professional career and then a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:57</time>
<p>really throughout his personal life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:58</time>
<p>Yeah, so Edward Robert Todd his oldest is born in 1943 Edward his</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:05</time>
<p>second son is born in 1944 Well Edward will die three years later in 1850.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:09</time>
<p>He dies in the Lincoln home in Springfield, Illinois Yeah, so</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:13</time>
<p>he and then his His third son, Willie, is born that same year.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:17</time>
<p>So his son dies early in 1850 and his third son is born late in 1850.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:22</time>
<p>So he's, he hits these really highs and lows in every aspect of his life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:30</time>
<p>And you, when you start to see this about Lincoln, this is the pattern that will</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:35</time>
<p>follow him throughout his presidency.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:37</time>
<p>This is really the pattern of his life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:40</time>
<p>It's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:41</time>
<p>He hits these amazing lows.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:43</time>
<p>He loses his mother.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:44</time>
<p>He loses his sister.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:45</time>
<p>He finds work.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:47</time>
<p>He gets a lot of promise.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:49</time>
<p>He, he, he opens a law firm in Springfield.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:52</time>
<p>He marries.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:53</time>
<p>He has children.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:54</time>
<p>He loses children.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:56</time>
<p>He gets in the political field.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:57</time>
<p>He loses elections.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:59</time>
<p>He wins elections.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:00</time>
<p>And you just see this perseverance through</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:02</time>
<p>Lincoln.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:03</time>
<p>It's, it's pretty incredible.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:04</time>
<p>And it really speaks to the foundation that was laying</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:08</time>
<p>for him to get him through.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:11</time>
<p>The Civil War.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:11</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:12</time>
<p>And so from there, then they kind of, the first inkling you have of the, the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:17</time>
<p>next step of the political part of the museum is the Lincoln Douglas debates.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:21</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:21</time>
<p>So they should, they should, they kind of depict that with the mannequins or</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:25</time>
<p>wax figurines or whatever they are.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:27</time>
<p>And then they start talking about, you kind of walk out of that section of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:30</time>
<p>museum and then you go over into what looks like the front of the White House.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:34</time>
<p>Mm hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
<p>And then we start getting into His presidency.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:38</time>
<p>His presidency.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:39</time>
<p>Now, one thing we didn't show was, um, and I think you'll probably</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:43</time>
<p>remember this, that I, I, I didn't get to show in the video was, um,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:47</time>
<p>Mary Todd Lincoln and all her dresses.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:49</time>
<p>Oh, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:50</time>
<p>In that first section there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:51</time>
<p>So there was a lot of Mary Todd Lincoln stuff that I didn't get to put in the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:53</time>
<p>video because it didn't quite fit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:55</time>
<p>Well,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:55</time>
<p>there's, there's two cool things you didn't really show.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:58</time>
<p>You can take a picture with the whole family.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:00</time>
<p>Yes, right, right up front, right in front of the White House.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:03</time>
<p>They have the whole family.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:04</time>
<p>You have the Lincolns, so you have President Lincoln, Mary Todd, and all four</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:09</time>
<p>boys, Robert, Edward, Willie, and Tad.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:12</time>
<p>So, you can take a picture with all of, all of them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:15</time>
<p>And it's kind of, we took one as a family, so it was kind of nice.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:18</time>
<p>And then when you go into the White House, yes, Mary Todd's dresses.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:21</time>
<p>So Mary Todd was a upper class Southern woman and she did have enslaved.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:27</time>
<p>So Lincoln never owned any person or had any enslaved.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:30</time>
<p>Mary Todd had a woman who was her maid dressmaker who was an enslaved woman and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:36</time>
<p>then be kind of transitioned into her, her and helped her dress and she paid her</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:42</time>
<p>and took care of her and I gave her more agency and choice about staying with her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:47</time>
<p>But Mary Todd was a.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:49</time>
<p>upper class aristocrat woman, she was used to having means and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:52</time>
<p>she was used to having money.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:53</time>
<p>So she just well, and her dresses and her extravagant spending of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:59</time>
<p>that was always a big, uh, thing in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:02</time>
<p>DC.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:02</time>
<p>And, you know, before we start getting into the, the details of his presidency in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:06</time>
<p>the civil war and kind of how he was seen.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:09</time>
<p>I, as I was doing research for the video and I was pulling up old</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:13</time>
<p>pictures of the, of the museum.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:16</time>
<p>So there's actually some changes that have been made over the years that weren't</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:19</time>
<p>there while we were, well, when we went.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:21</time>
<p>Oh wow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:22</time>
<p>And when, um, I saw a picture of, if you remember in that foyer</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:27</time>
<p>and go watch our video, you'll understand what I'm talking about.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:30</time>
<p>In the foyer, there's a lot, that's the log cabin off to the left, there's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:33</time>
<p>the, and there's a white house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:35</time>
<p>It looked like previously they had had a figurine of John Wilkes Booth</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:40</time>
<p>out front, kind of off to the side, leaning on the rail of the White House.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:46</time>
<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:46</time>
<p>And so they had had him there, it looked like, for some period of time, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:50</time>
<p>Because he was kind People, there's multiple pictures on the internet.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:53</time>
<p>You can find it pretty, pretty easily.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:55</time>
<p>So there are aspects of this museum that they've changed</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:58</time>
<p>a little bit over the years.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:59</time>
<p>I don't think that's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:59</time>
<p>good.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:59</time>
<p>It's not his story.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:00</time>
<p>Yeah, I would agree with that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:02</time>
<p>But I just thought it was interesting, kind of a little bit of foreshadowing of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:05</time>
<p>what you end up seeing at the end, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:07</time>
<p>So who they have on the porch now is Granton McClellan, two of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:11</time>
<p>his generals from the Civil War.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:14</time>
<p>And then they have Frederick Douglass, and I think it was Sojourner Truth,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:19</time>
<p>and so they're kind of on the porch.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:22</time>
<p>And then you go into the White House, and like you said, things</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:25</time>
<p>happen pretty quickly for Lincoln, and he, again, is riding this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:30</time>
<p>rollercoaster of highs and lows.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:37</time>
<p>He's elected November 1860, he leaves for the White House in February</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:42</time>
<p>1861, that's when he's going to leave the House in Springfield.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:46</time>
<p>And what happens not even two months later is the civil war.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:49</time>
<p>Not even two months later, like the civil war will break out.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:54</time>
<p>So he's in the white, he barely probably had time to unpack.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:57</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:57</time>
<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:58</time>
<p>And, and then I almost exactly a year after that happens, Willie dies.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:05</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:06</time>
<p>And he dies in the White House and again, devastated.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:11</time>
<p>They're family.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:13</time>
<p>This is where you get a lot of this depression of Lincoln, the melancholy,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:17</time>
<p>the, you know, the problem with his dreams, like he had problems sleeping,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:21</time>
<p>he's up at all hours, and he's wearing the, um, morning band on his Top hats.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:28</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:28</time>
<p>Which he will wear his entire life and he's wearing it the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:32</time>
<p>night he's shot in Ford's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:33</time>
<p>Theater.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:33</time>
<p>The museum does a good job even before you get to that part of the museum</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:37</time>
<p>where they show where his son Willie dies is because they walk you through</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:40</time>
<p>this hallway where and in the video we kind of give it the title of like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:44</time>
<p>Lincoln is vilified by the public.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:46</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:46</time>
<p>Because there's, there's so much criticism of what he's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:50</time>
<p>doing, how he's handling things.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:52</time>
<p>And, I mean, we think the press is bad today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:56</time>
<p>It was almost as bad back then.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:58</time>
<p>There's all these, like, negative articles, and they show pictures,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:01</time>
<p>and, and there's just, you know, caricatures of him that are not</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:05</time>
<p>flattering and all this stuff.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:07</time>
<p>And so as you're walking through this hallway, there's actually voices.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:11</time>
<p>They get voice actors kind of saying these things about him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:14</time>
<p>Mm hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:14</time>
<p>And then you get up, you know, to where his, his son Willie dies.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:17</time>
<p>And so he's been dealing with this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:20</time>
<p>Like you said, his entire time in his presidency, then he has a son that dies,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:23</time>
<p>like, I can't imagine what kind of, you know, mental strain that has on a person.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:29</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:29</time>
<p>And you see when they depict Willie's death in the room, the Lincolns are, are</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:34</time>
<p>dressed to the nines because they had just gotten back from a event, a social event.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:39</time>
<p>So here they are acting as president and first lady of the United States,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:44</time>
<p>coming home to their child who's just about to leave the world.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:49</time>
<p>Just showing you what he is dealing with constantly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:52</time>
<p>And, again, then it goes into the Emancipation Proclamation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:57</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:57</time>
<p>Which we have talked about, which, again, highly criticized.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:01</time>
<p>Did he go too far?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:02</time>
<p>Did he not go far enough?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:04</time>
<p>Even as historians, we debate the Emancipation Proclamation today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:07</time>
<p>We can have a whole podcast just about this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:10</time>
<p>Real quick, it did not free all the enslaved, it only did free the enslaved in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:15</time>
<p>local, in, in, in five designated areas.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:19</time>
<p>All those areas were in the South, all those areas were not under Lincoln's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:22</time>
<p>control at the time, and he did that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:25</time>
<p>to start kind of an uprising.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:28</time>
<p>So when you think the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't like everybody</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:31</time>
<p>who is enslaved is now free.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:32</time>
<p>That's not what it was.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:33</time>
<p>It's the precursor to that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:35</time>
<p>It will evolve into more, but that's not what it was.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:40</time>
<p>What was happening is he was.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:42</time>
<p>He was losing ground.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:44</time>
<p>Yeah in the south and he was losing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:46</time>
<p>So he had to make a big move So he had to make a big move And so he thought if</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:48</time>
<p>this information could get out to the enslaved in the south and they would</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:53</time>
<p>realize that they have been freed Maybe they would revolt become contraband</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:59</time>
<p>of war which is what they will become they make their way to certain areas</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:04</time>
<p>Fort Monroe, and then they in turn start to fight for the north which</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:08</time>
<p>54th Massachusetts is a good example of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:11</time>
<p>that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:11</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:11</time>
<p>And if folks are curious, we mentioned Fort Monroe.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:13</time>
<p>We have a, I think we have a previous podcast episode on it and video on it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:17</time>
<p>I'll, I'll link that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:18</time>
<p>If you're curious about kind of how this, the, the enslaved in the South,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:22</time>
<p>how they would escape Fort Monroe was basically kind of on that border, you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:26</time>
<p>know, it's a union held Fort kind of in Southern territory, but it's still union</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:31</time>
<p>held and, but they would escape there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:34</time>
<p>There's, there's kind of, we have a whole podcast and a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:35</time>
<p>whole video video about that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:37</time>
<p>So that's where that controversy comes in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:39</time>
<p>He didn't do enough because he's not freeing everybody.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:42</time>
<p>He's not making a declaration to free everybody.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:44</time>
<p>And it, and it was too much because people are like, you don't even have</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:49</time>
<p>control of that area that you're staking that you're freeing people for.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:53</time>
<p>So that's where, and again, it's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:56</time>
<p>big bold letters.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:57</time>
<p>It's criticism because today we think Emancipation Proclamation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:02</time>
<p>Awesome.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:02</time>
<p>Great.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:03</time>
<p>How wonderful.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:04</time>
<p>But</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:04</time>
<p>there was so much conflict.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:05</time>
<p>And they, I mean, it's so much so that, you know, they're depicting a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:11</time>
<p>scene as you're walking through the museum of, of him with his cabinet</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:14</time>
<p>and how conflicted his cabinet was.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:16</time>
<p>And then you go to a whole nother section of it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:19</time>
<p>The Declaration, and it's on both sides.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:22</time>
<p>You've got people for, hey, you should have gone further.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:24</time>
<p>They got people against, hey, you shouldn't have done it at all.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:26</time>
<p>And there's these peoples and these actors that kind of like these, uh,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:30</time>
<p>almost like ghostly images, but they're, they're video, you know, talking.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:34</time>
<p>We show a little bit in the video and it's really well done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:37</time>
<p>And then it's Lincoln kind of all by himself.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:39</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:40</time>
<p>In this big dark room with just.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:42</time>
<p>Constant conflict.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:44</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:45</time>
<p>On, on, on each side.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:46</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:46</time>
<p>And that's, and it's him standing there just kind of, and I kind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:49</time>
<p>of put in the video that he just kind of stayed resolute.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:51</time>
<p>He was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:52</time>
<p>resolute and he even his most trusted devices, like you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:54</time>
<p>said, the cabinet was conflicted.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:57</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:57</time>
<p>And what.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:58</time>
<p>What I think the museum does a good job of, and what we stress here,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:01</time>
<p>is what we think of Lincoln today, memory of Lincoln, history of Lincoln,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:06</time>
<p>is not what Lincoln lived through.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:08</time>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:09</time>
<p>It's not what he was in the moment.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:11</time>
<p>And it's so much more amazing now, when you think about him now, but</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:14</time>
<p>then what he was going through.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:16</time>
<p>It was no, it was much more, uh, contentious than what,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:22</time>
<p>what we even think about today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:23</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:24</time>
<p>So then, then from there, they kind of anchor on that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:26</time>
<p>They talk about how some African Americans would start joining the army.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:31</time>
<p>They go through kind of briefly how he would sit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:34</time>
<p>And so, you know, he to kind of get these semi live updates of what's going</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:39</time>
<p>on.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:39</time>
<p>He was very, again, he doesn't sleep a lot because of everything happening.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:44</time>
<p>And, uh, yeah, he really liked to get, I mean, that was the most up</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:48</time>
<p>to date information at the time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:50</time>
<p>And so he wanted to get that most up to date information.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:53</time>
<p>And then we talk about him delivering the Gettysburg address.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:01</time>
<p>So Gettysburg is that turning point of the war.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:04</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:04</time>
<p>July 1863.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:06</time>
<p>And this is where really the South is making its big push into the North, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:12</time>
<p>The South is making a big push into Pennsylvania and the North</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:16</time>
<p>prevails, pushes them back.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:19</time>
<p>And that's when so many men died.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:23</time>
<p>And so in November, Lincoln comes out to dedicate the cemetery and his speech,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:29</time>
<p>probably his most famous speech, probably one of the most famous speeches in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:33</time>
<p>the world, period, two minutes long.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:36</time>
<p>242 words.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:37</time>
<p>I mean, the man didn't have to say much to make a statement.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:40</time>
<p>And it's so fast that even for the historic photography at the time, they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:45</time>
<p>don't have a very good picture of it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:47</time>
<p>Because the photographers weren't expecting him to get</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:50</time>
<p>off the stage so quickly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:51</time>
<p>Yeah, I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:52</time>
<p>think the only picture, good picture they have there is</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:54</time>
<p>like of him going and walking off the stage in the crowd.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:57</time>
<p>In the crowd.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:57</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:58</time>
<p>I think he, his hat's even off.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:59</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:59</time>
<p>Or something like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:01</time>
<p>And, and you kind of like the, I think we've done previous videos there, we'll</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:05</time>
<p>link some of those in the show notes here, but you show that, and I remember kind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:09</time>
<p>of having to circle it when I edited the video originally, because it's hard to see</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:13</time>
<p>Lincoln.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:13</time>
<p>So today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:15</time>
<p>You know, I'm just gonna talk real quick about the library is there's a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:19</time>
<p>lot of papers Lincoln, especially his presidency But you can imagine there's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:23</time>
<p>still a lot of papers out there that do exist about Lincoln because he was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:26</time>
<p>a lawyer And so he was writing things and he was signing things but I think</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:31</time>
<p>the most valuable writing you will ever find at Abraham Lincoln will be</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:35</time>
<p>his Drafts of the Gettysburg Address.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:39</time>
<p>Oh, okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:40</time>
<p>And, and again, not everything has been found, and that's kind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:44</time>
<p>of what the movie went into.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:46</time>
<p>Things are still out there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:48</time>
<p>There are still private collectors of those things, and there are people</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:51</time>
<p>who have donated a lot to the Library of Congress and to the library.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:55</time>
<p>So thank goodness we have those, but you never know.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:58</time>
<p>If you ever find a Lincoln signature somewhere.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:02</time>
<p>So it goes pretty quickly from Gettysburg to the 13th Amendment.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:07</time>
<p>It fast</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:08</time>
<p>forwards to the end of the war.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:16</time>
<p>So the war is over.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:18</time>
<p>So the 13th Amendment happens in January of 1865.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:23</time>
<p>The war is over by April of 1865.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:27</time>
<p>And again, Lincoln's got no time, he has no time to just Was it</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:33</time>
<p>April 9th Appomattox was?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:36</time>
<p>And then he's at Fort Slater April 15th.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:39</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:39</time>
<p>So he has not He doesn't even have a week.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:42</time>
<p>Doesn't even have a week.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:43</time>
<p>And, but I, when we, we show it on Instagram, real quick as a real,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:48</time>
<p>and it's a great part of the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:51</time>
<p>And we've talked about this before.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:53</time>
<p>They were supposed to go to another show.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:55</time>
<p>It's one of the first videos we did for Walk With History.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:56</time>
<p>They were supposed to go to another show that night, plans to go to Ford's Theater</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:01</time>
<p>instead because they want to see a comedy and Our American Cousin is a comedy</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:05</time>
<p>and Mary Todd wants Lincoln to laugh.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:07</time>
<p>They are very amorous at the time because they're like,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:11</time>
<p>now we can have time together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:13</time>
<p>Now we can enjoy the presidency.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:15</time>
<p>Now we can, and he had just been reelected, just been reelected.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:18</time>
<p>We can mourn our son together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:20</time>
<p>He was like, let's take some time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:22</time>
<p>Let's take a trip.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:23</time>
<p>You and I, let's just be together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:25</time>
<p>And she was very, and they even joke about it at Ford's theater because they go there</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:30</time>
<p>with another major and his fiance and they're hugging and kissing and touching.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:35</time>
<p>And the major and his fiance are not even touching each other and Mary Todd's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:38</time>
<p>like, what are, what will they think of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:39</time>
<p>us?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:39</time>
<p>Well, I mean, if you think about it, they've had this huge weight</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:43</time>
<p>lifted off their shoulder.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:44</time>
<p>The war is over, like the South has surrendered and it's, you're through what</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:49</time>
<p>you know is going to be the most difficult part of your presidential career.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:53</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:54</time>
<p>And</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:54</time>
<p>you're like, we did it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:55</time>
<p>And if you think about them as parents, Robert Todd has just come back.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:58</time>
<p>He was there at Appomattox.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:00</time>
<p>And so he's home at the White House and their other son, Tad, went</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:04</time>
<p>to go, took the other tickets.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:06</time>
<p>They were going to, and so they have both boys home, both the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:09</time>
<p>boys that are still living home.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:10</time>
<p>And so they're having this like a great night.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:13</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:13</time>
<p>A date night.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:14</time>
<p>This museum does a fantastic job of when you turn the corner,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:18</time>
<p>you see John Wilkes Booth.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:20</time>
<p>Behind the door of their presidential box.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:24</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:24</time>
<p>And then you can kind of get another vantage point where you can see where</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:28</time>
<p>he would jump from the stage, from the box onto the stage, and then run back.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:33</time>
<p>And in that moment how quickly, boom.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:42</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:42</time>
<p>And, and, and was kind of one of my favorite parts that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:45</time>
<p>I was making of the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:47</time>
<p>Because, one, I found a good song that kind of shows the rising tension,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:52</time>
<p>you know, and then it goes to, to boom, you know, the, the president</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:55</time>
<p>shot and the president's dead.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:57</time>
<p>And then kind of, again, it, it, it quickly steps on to, you know, from there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:02</time>
<p>They don't give John Wilkes Booth kind of a ton of airtime inside the museum.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:07</time>
<p>They don't really kind of bring him up too much.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:08</time>
<p>They just kind of show his character a little bit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:11</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:11</time>
<p>And I don't even think they talk about the trial at all.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:13</time>
<p>So again, if you want to see about the trial and where it took place,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:16</time>
<p>we have a whole video on that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:17</time>
<p>But what it goes into is just his...</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:20</time>
<p>death.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:21</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:21</time>
<p>And how the coffin lied in state.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:24</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:24</time>
<p>And what it looked like.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:25</time>
<p>And the funeral train.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:26</time>
<p>And the funeral train.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:27</time>
<p>Which was very long.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:28</time>
<p>It was very long.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:29</time>
<p>It kind of took the same path that he took for his inauguration,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:33</time>
<p>because he left Springfield to D.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:35</time>
<p>C.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:36</time>
<p>and he took this big, long trip before he became president.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:39</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:39</time>
<p>It almost took the same trip.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:41</time>
<p>It kind of goes up basically north up to Buffalo and then traces</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:46</time>
<p>the Great Lakes all the way down</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:47</time>
<p>to Springfield.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:48</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:48</time>
<p>And you might wonder, why do we always talk about Erie?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:50</time>
<p>It's because we were, we lived in Erie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:52</time>
<p>We were stationed in Erie when Scott had his CO command, his commanding officer.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:56</time>
<p>Job tour was in Erie, Pennsylvania.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:59</time>
<p>So we're always interested in what will</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:01</time>
<p>happen The funny thing is is a lot of historical things happened through</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:04</time>
<p>Erie because they used to build big, large parts of the railroads and trains there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:10</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:10</time>
<p>So they used to build large parts of that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:12</time>
<p>So of course the train tracks would go through there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:15</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:16</time>
<p>And so in that era, the late 1800s, early 1900s, all through the 1800s really, that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:22</time>
<p>was actually a fairly significant part because one, it was on the Great Lakes</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:27</time>
<p>and two, They're, for some reason, that's where they were building large train parts</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:31</time>
<p>and rail station parts and it connects</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:33</time>
<p>Buffalo and Cleveland, which at the time were some of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:36</time>
<p>your two big industrial cities.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:37</time>
<p>There's a lot of history that happened through there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:39</time>
<p>So he, Lincoln's funeral train goes kind of up north and traces the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:42</time>
<p>Great Lakes down to Springfield.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:44</time>
<p>And they bury him in Springfield.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:46</time>
<p>They bury</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:46</time>
<p>him in Springfield.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:47</time>
<p>So you get to see what the coffin looked like and what George</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:51</time>
<p>Washington's portrait over it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:54</time>
<p>And then that's really the end of the museum.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:57</time>
<p>And I think it really does a good job of showing you just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:00</time>
<p>how abrupt civil war is over.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:04</time>
<p>The union is brought back together and we, then we lose the president who did that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:09</time>
<p>And I almost, it's, it's to me, it's kind of serendipitous of America.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:14</time>
<p>We talk, I talk about this at the end with no struggle, there's no progress.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:18</time>
<p>He got us through.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:19</time>
<p>That's why people consider Abraham Lincoln the greatest president we have ever had.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:24</time>
<p>He gets us through this, our country, resolves it, and then he's gone.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:35</time>
<p>Well, and, and he, we've talked about it a couple times, you know,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:38</time>
<p>and then we'll wrap things up, that he didn't try to imprison or execute</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:44</time>
<p>any of the leaders of the South.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:46</time>
<p>Nope.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:46</time>
<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:47</time>
<p>He immediately wanted to move on towards healing and in a leader like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:52</time>
<p>that, setting the stage and setting really the culture of what the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:56</time>
<p>next steps of the country will be.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:59</time>
<p>I think people don't recognize that enough.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:02</time>
<p>And I, and the more I learn about him through doing this channel</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:06</time>
<p>and the podcast and that is, is there's so much forethought in that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:12</time>
<p>Because you could very easily continue that cycle of bitterness and hey,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:18</time>
<p>you're not, you know, you're not ours.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:21</time>
<p>Like, we surrendered.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:22</time>
<p>You, we didn't want this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:24</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:24</time>
<p>And then if he had continued and like executed Jefferson Davis and if he had</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:28</time>
<p>executed generals and this and the other, like, It just would have made it worse.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:31</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:31</time>
<p>So it was very smart of him not to do that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:33</time>
<p>He</p>
<p></p>
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<p>was, and it was, it says a lot about a character of a man.</p>
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<p>It really does.</p>
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<p>So it was a forgiveness without malice.</p>
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<p>Remember we talk about that at Appomattox and we, we've done a whole</p>
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<p>story about Jefferson Davis and Lee.</p>
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<p>And I think if he would have executed those men because how much</p>
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<p>they were beloved in the South, he would have created martyrs.</p>
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<p>And he would have created a lot.</p>
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<p>I mean, it wasn't reconstruction was more like deconstruction.</p>
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<p>I think it would have been much worse to have these martyrs to</p>
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<p>to hold on to for much longer.</p>
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<p>Yeah, Lincoln and I thank goodness Johnson kind of took that from him and</p>
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<p>was kind of resolute about the same thing.</p>
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<p>But it's an amazing museum.</p>
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<p>It is</p>
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<p>a must see.</p>
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<p>It's so interactive and friendly for kids and plus we didn't even</p>
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<p>get to go to the library portion.</p>
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<p>It was closed that day and we had wanted to go.</p>
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<p>You could, it, if you were in that part of the country, even if</p>
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<p>you're not, you should, you really should make a dedicated effort to</p>
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<p>go see that museum and the library.</p>
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<p>It's absolutely incredible.</p>
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<p>It feels like going to Disneyland for half of a day.</p>
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<p>It's incredible.</p>
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<p>Um, so, so thank you again to everybody listening.</p>
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<p>We got to go inside of his home.</p>
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<p>Thank you.</p>
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