John Paul Jones: The Lost Grave of America's Revolutionary War Hero | Annapolis

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<p>Imagine standing on the deck of a burning, battered frigate in the North Sea.</p>
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<p>Your ship is sinking beneath your feet, your guns are bursting from</p>
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<p>the heat, and the British captain across the water shouts through the</p>
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<p>smoke, demanding your surrender.</p>
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<p>Most men would strike their colors, but John Paul Jones wasn't most men.</p>
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<p>He yells back into the teeth of the Royal Navy, "I have not yet begun to</p>
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<p>fight." He was a man of fierce, almost reckless bravery, a Scotsman who took</p>
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<p>the fight straight to the shores of Great Britain and cemented his legacy</p>
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<p>as a father of the United States Navy.</p>
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<p>But history isn't always kind to its heroes.</p>
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<p>Decades after his greatest triumphs, this legendary commodore would find himself</p>
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<p>forgotten, dying in poverty in Paris, and buried in an unmarked grave that was paved</p>
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<p>over and lost to time for over a century.</p>
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<p>Welcome to Talk With History, one filmmaker, one historian, leading</p>
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<p>I'm your host, Scott, here with my wife and historian, Jenn.</p>
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<p>Hello.</p>
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<p>Today, we're tracing one of the most unbelievable journeys in naval history.</p>
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<p>Jenn recently visited his final resting place, not a forgotten plot</p>
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<p>in Paris, but a magnificent marble and bronze crypt hidden beneath the</p>
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<p>chapel at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland.</p>
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<p>We're sharing what it's like to stand in that chamber and dive</p>
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<p>Today, we set sail with the ultimate naval adventurer, Commodore John Paul Jones.</p>
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<p>All right, Jenn, so you went to my alma mater-</p>
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<p>Without you.</p>
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<p>What's up?</p>
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<p>Yeah,</p>
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<p>without me, right?</p>
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<p>So you were, you were up there cruising with American</p>
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<p>Cruise- American Cruise Lines.</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>And went to Annapolis, Maryland.</p>
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<p>You did a couple videos there, and so we'll have a, a</p>
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<p>series of videos and podcasts.</p>
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<p>We'll be talking about the Naval Academy in Annapolis and all that stuff.</p>
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<p>But this is one, a very interesting topic because we all know</p>
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<p>Well, many Navy folks know that John Paul Jones is the father of the ... considered</p>
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<p>the, the father of the US Navy.</p>
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<p>And, but I didn't know the circumstances around his death, where he was</p>
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<p>originally buried, and how he was actually brought to the Naval Academy.</p>
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<p>Yeah, so there's two stories here, really.</p>
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<p>There's the story of John Paul Jones and him cementing himself in</p>
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<p>the history of America, and then there's the story of bringing John</p>
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<p>Paul Jones' body back to America.</p>
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<p>So there really is a, you know, a lot to be said about him.</p>
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<p>Uh, but going to the crypt, it's such a, such an honor to go there.</p>
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<p>I mean, the chapel is beautiful, the Naval Academy chapel.</p>
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<p>It is the dome you can see the highest in the, the city of Annapolis.</p>
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<p>It's even higher than the state building there, and it's a big copper</p>
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<p>dome, and it's a beautiful chapel.</p>
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<p>Lots of beautiful stained glass.</p>
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<p>Very, um, nautical.</p>
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<p>There's a lot of, like, odes to the sea and odes to-</p>
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<p>There's, like, a stain- stained glass of, like, the captain at</p>
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<p>Mobile Bay and all this stuff</p>
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<p>... and, like, and God basically watching over sailors, basically.</p>
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<p>And so, but it wasn't originally built with the crypt, and it wasn't</p>
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<p>originally built with the idea that John Paul Jones would be in the crypt.</p>
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<p>And so much so that when John Paul Jones' body is originally found and brought</p>
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<p>back to America, he's put in Bancroft Hall until his crypt can be completed</p>
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<p>underneath the Naval Academy chapel.</p>
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<p>And Bancroft Hall, you'll see on a subsequent video, is the</p>
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<p>biggest dormitory in the world.</p>
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<p>It's where all the</p>
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<p>The biggest continuous dormitory in the world.</p>
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<p>It's all connected.</p>
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<p>And they have a memorial hall there to all the people who have served</p>
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<p>and sacrificed their lives to, uh, to the cause, to America, and so his-</p>
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<p>His crypt was, or his coffin was in there until it was put into the crypt.</p>
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<p>But let's talk more about how John Paul Jones really cements his name</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>Te- tell me about the circumstances around him standing on a, on a burning</p>
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<p>ship yelling at the British, "I have not yet begun to fight," because that sounds</p>
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<p>like a very stubborn sailor thing to say.</p>
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<p>It's like, you have to think, John Paul Jones is a sailor's sailor.</p>
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<p>He really is a man who loves to sail.</p>
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<p>Uh, he becomes a sailor at 13 years old, and he really gets his chance and</p>
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<p>proves himself in the circumstances.</p>
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<p>We always say that smooth seas do not make good sailors, right?</p>
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<p>He loses, uh, he loses a captain, he loses a first mate, and so he has to</p>
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<p>kind of stand up and become these people.</p>
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<p>And so he's really like, you know, what do, what do you- Kind</p>
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<p>of thrust to the forefront.</p>
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<p>Yeah, right, death by fire, right?</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>Is what we usually say.</p>
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<p>Like, you're just kind of pushed into it.</p>
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<p>So that's where he really proves himself.</p>
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<p>Now, you had said in the opening, strike your colors, and a lot of people</p>
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<p>don't understand what that means.</p>
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<p>Yep.</p>
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<p>It's a naval term that means surrender your colors.</p>
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<p>So if you strike your colors, it means you're, you're taking them down, and</p>
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<p>you're surrendering to somebody else.</p>
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<p>So when you're asked to strike your colors, basically that British captain</p>
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<p>is asking him for his surrender.</p>
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<p>Yeah, it's similar to how we talk about, um, different army battles, right?</p>
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<p>Different, uh, you know, when they're, when they're holding the colors, they're</p>
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<p>holding the flag out in front to kind of show where the front of the line is.</p>
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<p>If those colors fall, you know, the soldiers can kind of see that, and they</p>
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<p>can know, oh, well, you were faltering.</p>
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<p>So it's a similar concept that the colors, it's a signal.</p>
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<p>It's not just the symbol of your ship, of your country, or wherever you're from.</p>
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<p>It's also a, a symbol.</p>
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<p>It's also a signal to the rest of the fleet saying, "Oh, you know,</p>
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<p>the lead ship struck their colors.</p>
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<p>They, they brought them down.</p>
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<p>They're surrendering." Or maybe they haul up a white flag or whatever it</p>
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<p>is, but that's what he did not do.</p>
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<p>Yeah, so when you say those nautical terms that people might not know what they are,</p>
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<p>I want to kind of explain them sometimes because we get so used to saying them</p>
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<p>that people who aren't in- Ship life.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>I know what that means.</p>
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<p>Like, are you striking- Yeah ... slapping him or something?</p>
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<p>I, I, I run, I run into that all the time.</p>
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<p>I mean, it's anybody in any, any industry, right?</p>
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<p>And for me and my fellow, uh, Navy brothers and sisters, you know, it</p>
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<p>happens to us on a fairly regular basis.</p>
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<p>So, uh, John Paul, as he's born with the name John Paul, uh, he's born in</p>
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<p>Scotland, so you can probably relate to him because Scott- uh, ancestry is</p>
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<p>Scottish too, in, uh, 1747, uh, July 6th.</p>
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<p>And again, at 13 years old, he started his maritime career.</p>
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<p>He sails out of Whitehaven, it's a northern Eng- English county, and he's</p>
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<p>apprentice on board The Friendship.</p>
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<p>So, um, his older brother who's kind of gotten him, him... Again, he's a, he's</p>
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<p>not the oldest, he's the second brother.</p>
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<p>You're not gonna be inheriting your family fortune.</p>
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<p>Well, and, and if you think about it then too, right, the, Britain</p>
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<p>is known for their naval power.</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>Right?</p>
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<p>If you're gonna pick a profession, being a sailor, you know, trying to go</p>
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<p>off and, and sail for, you know, the British Navy or, or whatever it was,</p>
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<p>even, even if it wasn't in the Navy, even if it was just, like, working</p>
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<p>a merchant ship, British naval power and that experience and that industry</p>
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<p>was very much a viable career path.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Oh, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So he's, he works as a sailor, uh, is aboard several merchant ships.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And in 1764, he becomes involved in the slave trade, and he becomes a</p>
<p></p>
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<p>third mate on board a slave ship, and two years later he's, um, the</p>
<p></p>
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<p>crew of a, of a larger slave ship.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Uh, he leaves the slave trade, though, after several voyages.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>He describes it as an abominable trade-</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Yeah</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>in 1798.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Um, and he books passage back to Scotland.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>He just, he doesn't want his career to be a part of the slave trade anymore.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>But it's that next brig, he's on the John, um, when both the captain and the first</p>
<p></p>
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<p>mate die of yellow fever, and the crew encourage and vote for him to navigate</p>
<p></p>
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<p>the ship back to port, which he does.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And because he's so successful, that ship's owners make him master of the ship.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Oh.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And- So that's how he worked his way up.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And that's really what you want as a captain, but it's the ship owner that has</p>
<p></p>
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<p>to instill that kind of responsibility in you because they're ultimately</p>
<p></p>
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<p>financially responsible for the ship.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So they want a captain who's gonna bring in the goods, bring it to</p>
<p></p>
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<p>port, and not, and gonna keep the, you know, respect of the crew.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So how did he, how did John Paul Jones go from working British merchant ships or</p>
<p></p>
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<p>whatever mer- merchant ships k- to kind of becoming a, like a, an American, right,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>you know, or colonial at the time- Mm-hmm</p>
<p></p>
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<p>you know, naval officer?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So he, you know, he's working, he's, he's working a bunch of d- ships.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>He's engaging in, um, the tobacco trade.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>He, um, there's, there's some mutinies that happen on his ship.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>He's pretty, um, he's a corporal punishment guy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Oh, so he's, he's kinda hardcore.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>He's hardcore.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>He- He, he brings, uh, he has an incident where, uh, uh, he kills</p>
<p></p>
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<p>a mutinous crew member with a sword over d- a dispute in wages.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Years later, he's gonna write a letter to Benjamin Franklin describing the</p>
<p></p>
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<p>incident, claiming it was self-defense, but he was not willing to wait to be tried</p>
<p></p>
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<p>in an admiral's court, which would've taken months, and the family of his</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:45</time>
<p>victim was very influential, so he felt compelled to flee, and that's when he,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>um, gets his, makes his way to Virginia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Ah, okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So, so like many, many folks over there, he's got a little bit of rebel in him.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>He's come, coming over to America to get away from basically being tried.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So he leaves his fortune behind.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Boy, that's a classic Navy sail- So quick aside.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I've had sailors work for me when I f- when I first came on my very</p>
<p></p>
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<p>first ship, and people hear about this, but this is, this was a thing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I don't know if it's a thing anymore, but I had a sailor that worked for me.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Sailor got in trouble, uh, while this sailor was in college, got in a fight,</p>
<p></p>
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<p>put this person in the hospital, and the judge said, "You can go to</p>
<p></p>
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<p>jail, or you can go into the Navy." And the sailor picked the Navy.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>So that is a there's, there's a little bit of, uh, a little bit of heritage,</p>
<p></p>
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<p>heritage there that, uh, I don't, again, I don't, that was 20-plus</p>
<p></p>
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<p>years ago, but, uh, it, it happens.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It happens.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It sounds like John Paul Jones kinda set that, set that initial standard.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>These reputations come from somewhere.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And I mean, what I can gather from, from Jones is, so this is the time</p>
<p></p>
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<p>he's gonna take up the name Jones, is when he makes it to America.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>He's fleeing after these incidences that have happened on ship where he</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>claims self-defense, but he had to get away because he doesn't have the</p>
<p></p>
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<p>time to stand trial, and he doesn't think he's gonna be treated fairly.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>That's when he's gonna take up the surname Jones, also, I think, to kind</p>
<p></p>
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<p>of hide himself a little bit more.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It's a very tough life in the Navy, in- Especially,</p>
<p></p>
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<p>especially back then</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>... at this time, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And you have to prove yourself as a sailor, and it's violent,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:27</time>
<p>and it's tough, and he did that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>When he was challenged, he would defend himself.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So- It's not far from the truth- Yeah ... this rough and tumble group of, of men who</p>
<p></p>
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<p>are really, um, survivalists on the sea.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And Jones has really proven, proven himself in that degree.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So it's the summer of 1775.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>He's in America.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>He's taken the name Jones.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>He's meeting other revolutionary leaders in Philadelphia, and, um, he becomes</p>
<p></p>
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<p>fond of this country, and he expresses himself that he would like to volunteer</p>
<p></p>
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<p>his services for the Continental Navy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:02</time>
<p>So this is where people will say Admiral Barry is the father of the Navy, and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I always point to Barry is the father of the Continental Navy, so he's the</p>
<p></p>
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<p>first commodore appointed by George Washington himself to be commodore</p>
<p></p>
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<p>of the Navy, and that is Barry, and that is the statue you will see at</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Independence Hall in Philadelphia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>John Paul Jones they consider the father of the American Navy because he's gonna</p>
<p></p>
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<p>volunteer his, his services to the newly founded Continental Navy, and that's when</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>the Navy and the Marines are being formed.</p>
<p></p>
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<p>And so he's appointed first lieutenant of the newly converted 21-gun frigate</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>USS Alfred on December 7th, 1775.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Huh.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:44</time>
<p>So this is where he starts to make his name, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:47</time>
<p>He sails from the Delaware, uh- He's made command of a smaller ship,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>the USS Ranger, on June 14th, 1777.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And although he's not happy with that, he has frustrations over that, he's</p>
<p></p>
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<p>gonna do the job, he's gonna do it well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:02</time>
<p>And he sails for France with this ship.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:04</time>
<p>Oh.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:05</time>
<p>And he's going there to help Benjamin Franklin and others as- Oh, like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:09</time>
<p>he sails out to France.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:10</time>
<p>He sails out to France.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Uh, for</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>France.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:11</time>
<p>Okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:12</time>
<p>He's sailing out to France, um, just to assist in the American</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>cause- Yep ... in any way possible.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:17</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:17</time>
<p>Um, and this is when the Rangers, um, full-on attacks the British.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So what John Paul Jones does that's different than most</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:27</time>
<p>American sailors at the time, is he's really not on the defensive.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:31</time>
<p>He's on the offensive, and that's why people really love him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It's just this crazy Scotsman out there being like, "Let's do this."</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:39</time>
<p>I mean, he is a experienced sailor.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:42</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:42</time>
<p>He's sailed many, uh, voyages back and forth across the Atlantic.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:48</time>
<p>So unlike a lot of other, um, Continental American sailors, he has experience.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:56</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:56</time>
<p>He's, he's in his element.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:57</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:58</time>
<p>And so he, he gets out there, he attacks the British.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:02</time>
<p>Uh, people at first start to think of him as a little bit like a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:05</time>
<p>pirate, because he's really, uh, he, his gain was not honorable.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:11</time>
<p>He just goes out and just attacks these ships and tries to take</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:14</time>
<p>everything he can from them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:15</time>
<p>Um, now he's doing it under the colors of America, and if you ever</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:19</time>
<p>see the flag of John Paul Jones, it's a 12-star American flag, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:23</time>
<p>that is what he is using as his flag.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:26</time>
<p>And he, and he does commandeer things for America and give it back to America,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:31</time>
<p>but this is where I always talk about this fine line between privateering-</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:35</time>
<p>Yeah</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:36</time>
<p>and pirates.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:38</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:38</time>
<p>So it was a very fine line, but then you had to know exactly what</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:41</time>
<p>they were commandeering, and I don't know how many were straightforward</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:44</time>
<p>with what they actually plundered.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:46</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:46</time>
<p>Well, and if you think about it, at the time- Mm-hmm ... I think John Paul</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:49</time>
<p>Jones benefited from the timing of their conflict with the British, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:55</time>
<p>the timing of he's kind of probably at the peak of his career, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
<p>His experience and all this stuff, and so he can go out there and just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:03</time>
<p>kind of, you know, Yosemite Sam it, you know, just kind of shooting from</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:06</time>
<p>the hip, you know, and attacking the British, and, you know, back, back in the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:10</time>
<p>States, they're like, "Eh, he's kind of pushing the envelope, but you know what?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:15</time>
<p>We're, we're...</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:16</time>
<p>We've got a conflict with the British anyways.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:18</time>
<p>He's not hurting us, and he's hurting them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:20</time>
<p>We're just gonna kind of let him keep going."</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:22</time>
<p>Sometimes when his crew would pull into port, he kind of allowed them to do it</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:27</time>
<p>in the ports they were pulling into.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:30</time>
<p>He allowed them to have a good time and plunder, and that also got him into</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:35</time>
<p>some trouble as well, uh, because he's actually, at this point in his life, he's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:41</time>
<p>walking this fine line, as we understand, between pirate and, and diplomatic</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:46</time>
<p>because he is now the captain of a ship.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So most captains of ships are now the aristocrat class.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:54</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Even though you're not born into it, you're going to parties, you're meeting</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:58</time>
<p>people, you're starting to have a title and have some money around you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So it, it's so funny because, you know, as As kind of down and dirty as he was,</p>
<p></p>
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<p>and I'm sure some of the things he did, and, and they kind of- we'll talk a</p>
<p></p>
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<time>00:17:11</time>
<p>little bit about his, his later life, you know, and why he kind of died in poverty.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:15</time>
<p>Um, it's interesting because, you know, you have these kind of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>two types of sailors that work their way up from nothing, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:23</time>
<p>Mm-hmm, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:23</time>
<p>Which he, he kind of essentially did.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:25</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:26</time>
<p>And then there's folks who were born into this, and they were officers from</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:30</time>
<p>the very beginning and all this stuff, and he is very much the other side, the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:33</time>
<p>ruffian side, you know, just on the, on the, on the, the sword's edge of what's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:40</time>
<p>allowed and, and probably, you know, pushing it over that, over that edge.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:44</time>
<p>So it's during this time that Jones is still leading the Ranger.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:47</time>
<p>He takes a British ship, the Drake.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:49</time>
<p>It's a big deal, but it still has some controversy around it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:53</time>
<p>Jones tries to put one of his men in court-martial.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:55</time>
<p>John Adams stops that from happening.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:58</time>
<p>So Jones is... He doesn't feel like he's very supported by America, even though</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:03</time>
<p>he's doing some big things for America.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:05</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:05</time>
<p>But in 1779, he takes command of a bigger ship.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:08</time>
<p>Because the Ranger was able to take a British ship, he's given a reward-</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:14</time>
<p>Yep ... and that's a bigger ship.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:15</time>
<p>It's the 42-gun US Bonhomme Richard.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:19</time>
<p>Um, this is a merchant ship rebuilt and given to America by the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:22</time>
<p>French, and this is, again, what does John Paul Jones like to do?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:26</time>
<p>Likes to be on the offensive.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:30</time>
<p>And he goes out and attacks the British.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:32</time>
<p>Um, and that, this is where on September 23rd, he's gonna meet a large merchant</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:38</time>
<p>convoy off the coast of England.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:41</time>
<p>This is when he meets the HMS Serapis.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So it's the Bonhomme Richard coming, uh, to the Serapis, where they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:48</time>
<p>have this big fight at, at 7:00 PM.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:50</time>
<p>Uh, the battle begins, um, and it looks like the Bonhomme Richard is gonna falter.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:56</time>
<p>I mean, they are getting hit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:58</time>
<p>They, uh, they are getting hit with the big guns.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:01</time>
<p>Uh, s- the captain of the Serapis comes over and asks for him to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:06</time>
<p>strike his colors, so asking basically for his surrender.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Like, "We don't wanna burn your ship.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>We would rather take it as plunder, and we want- do- we</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:14</time>
<p>don't wanna kill all your men."</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:16</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:16</time>
<p>" So will you strike your colors?" And this is his famous line, "I have not</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:20</time>
<p>yet begun to fight." Now- What they think he actually said is, "I refuse to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:26</time>
<p>strike my colors." So he, he actually like responded to what he said.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Oh,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:30</time>
<p>okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:30</time>
<p>But it's turned into, "I have not yet begun to..." This is his famous- So</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>there, there's a little bit of legend sprinkled in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yes, yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:36</time>
<p>Okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>A little bit of legend sprinkled in there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And so it says more than likely he said, "I may sink, but</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I'll be damned if I strike."</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:43</time>
<p>Okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:44</time>
<p>That's what he said.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:45</time>
<p>Um- So that's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:45</time>
<p>what he, that was his actual words.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:47</time>
<p>So his actual words are basically, "I'm prepared to go down with my ship. Even if</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:52</time>
<p>you sink me, I'm not gonna surrender." And d- because of that, they keep fighting,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:58</time>
<p>and his men really see this in him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:00</time>
<p>They also happen to get a grenade across to the British ship, and it blows up,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:04</time>
<p>and it really does hinder the Serapis.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:07</time>
<p>So the Bonhomme Richard is successful in this battle, and this is something that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:12</time>
<p>the Americans really can rally around.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:15</time>
<p>America attacked the British.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:17</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:17</time>
<p>They were able to take the Serapis as their plunder, and this is where you get</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:22</time>
<p>John Paul Jones just making his name.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:24</time>
<p>Um, still considered a bit of a pirate, still considered a bit of- Right</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:29</time>
<p>a rebel.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:29</time>
<p>Uh, but he has all of these stereotypes that kinda come inside</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:34</time>
<p>with, uh, with a sailor in America.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:38</time>
<p>So that's how John Paul Jones kind of, that the le- that's how the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:41</time>
<p>legend of John Paul Jones was born.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:43</time>
<p>So let's fast-forward a bit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:48</time>
<p>'Cause the interesting part was you visiting the crypt, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:51</time>
<p>Now, and he wasn't originally buried there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:54</time>
<p>So, so he fights for the United States for a while longer.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:59</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:00</time>
<p>In June of 18- uh, in June of 1782, he's appointed the command of the,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:04</time>
<p>uh, USS America, but his command falls through when Congress decides</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:08</time>
<p>to give the America to the French.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:09</time>
<p>They wanna replace one of the French ships that was, uh, part,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:13</time>
<p>that, that sank fighting for America, so they give it to them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:16</time>
<p>As a result, he's given an assignment in Europe, and he's not given a ship, so</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:22</time>
<p>he, um, h- he resigns his commission in America, and he actually goes to Russia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:28</time>
<p>Uh, he enters service into Empress Catherine II of Russia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:31</time>
<p>She p- she places a lot of confidence in him, and he's giving, given a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:35</time>
<p>ship in Russia, and that's where you, you hear John Paul Jones</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:39</time>
<p>will become an admiral in Russia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:40</time>
<p>This is what happens at that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:41</time>
<p>point.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:41</time>
<p>Yeah, 'cause he was, he was never an admiral in the United States Navy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:46</time>
<p>No.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:46</time>
<p>He was only a captain/commodore, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:48</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:48</time>
<p>Commodore is, is a captain who has multiple ships-</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:51</time>
<p>Mm-hmm ... that report to him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:52</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:52</time>
<p>So he goes over.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:54</time>
<p>He's... So he, he's like, "Okay, I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing, w-</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:21:58</time>
<p>you know, what I'm best at, which is being on the high seas fighting ships."</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:03</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:03</time>
<p>And so he goes and- Yeah ... fights for Russia for a little bit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:06</time>
<p>Catherine the Great makes him a rear admiral.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:08</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:08</time>
<p>And he does very well for them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:10</time>
<p>He takes, you know, he takes ships, he leads ships.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:12</time>
<p>He does a good job.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:14</time>
<p>But it's during this time that he gets in trouble with, um, the law, uh- This</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:20</time>
<p>is in Russia?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:21</time>
<p>In Russia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:22</time>
<p>He's accused, accused of raping a 10-year-old girl.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:25</time>
<p>Mm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:26</time>
<p>Now, I get a lot of- controversy about this because America honors</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:33</time>
<p>him as the Father of the Navy, yet he has this accusation in Russia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:36</time>
<p>Now, you have to understand, a lot of the primary sources</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:40</time>
<p>around this are conflicting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:42</time>
<p>Uh, Jones will claim that this was a prostitute that he paid regularly,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:48</time>
<p>and she wasn't 10 years old.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:50</time>
<p>And there were people in Russia who were trying to smear Jones.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:22:55</time>
<p>They did want to ruin his career because he was doing so well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:00</time>
<p>And as you can imagine, Catherine the Great did not have fans, so anyone</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:05</time>
<p>who Catherine the Great liked, they were trying to take out as well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:08</time>
<p>So it's, it's really, it's kind of unclear because of these conflicting,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:14</time>
<p>these, these conflicting reports.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:15</time>
<p>Like his word, kind of what he said was, were the facts, versus these,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:20</time>
<p>these other folks on the other side-</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:22</time>
<p>Yes</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:22</time>
<p>... and what they were saying.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:23</time>
<p>He was willing to stand trial.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:25</time>
<p>There was one witness really for the prosecution, and they later found</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:30</time>
<p>out that he was being paid- Oh,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:32</time>
<p>really?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:32</time>
<p>... by the people who didn't like Catherine.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:34</time>
<p>And Catherine, she very much was a proponent of women's rights at the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:39</time>
<p>time, so she really wanted to stick up for this young girl, who proved</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:44</time>
<p>that she was more along the age of 12, 13, and did work in prostitution.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:49</time>
<p>Still not a great age, but you have to understand the time</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:52</time>
<p>was a little different as well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:23:54</time>
<p>Um, so basically he gets retired to France.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:00</time>
<p>He gets a pension from Russia, but sent to France to kind of, Catherine just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:06</time>
<p>kind of wants to get him out of her hair.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:07</time>
<p>So it sounds like he was doing things that today would be very</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:11</time>
<p>morally and legally objectionable.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:13</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:13</time>
<p>Very much so today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:14</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:15</time>
<p>At the time, was it legal?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:17</time>
<p>Okay, he's in Russia, different time, different era, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:21</time>
<p>He said one thing, the other side said the other thing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:23</time>
<p>So they basically kind of just pushed him out and retired him,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:28</time>
<p>and kind of said, "Okay, thank you for your service. Be on your way."</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:32</time>
<p>Yes, and because he's actually, you know, entering into those</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:36</time>
<p>compromising situations- Yeah ... they were able to kind of catch him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:39</time>
<p>So to his detriment as well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:42</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:42</time>
<p>Uh, so it's in May of 1790, he's gonna arrive in Paris.</p>
<p></p>
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<time>00:24:46</time>
<p>He retains his position as a rear admiral.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:49</time>
<p>He still corresponds with people, um, but no one's gonna give him a ship anymore.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:53</time>
<p>No one's gonna give him a commission.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:24:55</time>
<p>And it's in 1792, uh, two years later in June, um, where</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:01</time>
<p>he will, uh, be found dead.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:04</time>
<p>Well, actually in July of 1792, he's found dead at 45 years old, uh, in an</p>
<p></p>
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<time>00:25:09</time>
<p>apartment in Paris, and they believe the cause was something with his kidneys.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:14</time>
<p>They're not sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:15</time>
<p>It probably was some kind of alcohol-related incident.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:18</time>
<p>Um, but he was 45 years old.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:21</time>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:22</time>
<p>And so upon his death, he owes significant money to other people.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:26</time>
<p>He was ... But he's, you have to realize he's never directly paid for his</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:29</time>
<p>service on the Bena- Bahar- Bouchard.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:31</time>
<p>He's never given ... He's, he's earned a lot of land in America.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:36</time>
<p>He's never given compensated for that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:39</time>
<p>So as much as he dies in ruin with debt, he's also never paid.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:42</time>
<p>He's a, he's a true sailor, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:44</time>
<p>It's hard to get paid for those things that you've done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:48</time>
<p>Um, and he's buried in a metal coffin, and he's buried in, like,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:55</time>
<p>an alcohol in a metal coffin.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:25:58</time>
<p>Um, but his grave goes unmarked and, um, and he's buried in an old cemetery that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:04</time>
<p>by the time America starts to look for his coffin, his burial place had been lost.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:09</time>
<p>And so much so the cemetery had kind of gone undiscovered and paved over,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:13</time>
<p>and a building was built over it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:14</time>
<p>Yeah, I think it was, like, the- what I was looking at was, like, a laundromat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:18</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:18</time>
<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:19</time>
<p>Like, I mean, it's like it literally they had built a building on top of it that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:22</time>
<p>was being used, like, to, to do laundry.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:25</time>
<p>Yeah, so he was basically forgotten.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:26</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:27</time>
<p>So to Scott's point, how does he end up in this, a massive beautiful sarcophagus</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:34</time>
<p>underneath the Naval Academy chapel?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:37</time>
<p>Well, it's in 1905 when a US ambassador to France, um, searches</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:42</time>
<p>for six years to track down his body.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:45</time>
<p>He uses a 19, um, he uses an 1851 copy of the missing burial record, and he knows</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:53</time>
<p>that he was buried in a lead coffin.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:57</time>
<p>They're able to search under the ground.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:26:59</time>
<p>They don't move the building or anything, but they're able to go in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:02</time>
<p>kind of to the side and use these metal rods as they search under</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:07</time>
<p>the ground, and they hit lead.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:10</time>
<p>Oh, okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:10</time>
<p>And they find five lead coffins, and they pull all of them out.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:13</time>
<p>So they, like, kind of dig vertically- Mm-hmm ... or, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:17</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:17</time>
<p>For, yeah, they dig, they dig sideways to get to the coffins.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:20</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:21</time>
<p>And they pull out the five coffins and, um, it, he's found in the third one.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:25</time>
<p>He's un- un- unearthed April 7th, 1905.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:29</time>
<p>Um, they said he was immediately recognizable.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:32</time>
<p>Yeah, so what I was reading online when I was doing my own initial</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:36</time>
<p>research for this was that the, the person who ended up, who initially</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:40</time>
<p>buried him was, you know, a French businessman with a little bit of money.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:44</time>
<p>And they knew that because of who he was, that he might be</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:47</time>
<p>sought off, sought after later.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:49</time>
<p>So whoever buried him paid extra money to have him buried basically in alcohol-</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:54</time>
<p>Mm-hmm</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:55</time>
<p>in this lead coffin, knowing, eh, America might come, somebody</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:27:59</time>
<p>might come looking for this guy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:00</time>
<p>Yeah, someone might come knocking on his door one day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:02</time>
<p>And, and they did.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:03</time>
<p>And so then when they opened it up, the thing that I read was like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:06</time>
<p>his limbs were still flexible.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:08</time>
<p>Like, they could recognize him, which was crazy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:10</time>
<p>It</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:10</time>
<p>was, yeah, I mean, think he dies in 1792, and they find him in 1905.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:17</time>
<p>Yeah, 100 years, 100-plus years later.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:19</time>
<p>That's crazy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:21</time>
<p>But they, they have a bust of him, plus he's buried in uniform, and they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:25</time>
<p>were able to match dental records.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:27</time>
<p>Plus that bust they were able to say looked facially like him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:31</time>
<p>Yeah, and you show the bust and the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:34</time>
<p>So when you go down to the crypt, there's a couple things that are surrounding the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:37</time>
<p>crypt, and there's a, I don't know if it's not the bust, but it's, it's a, a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:41</time>
<p>recreation of the bust o- of his face.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:44</time>
<p>And so they used that because it had been made before he died.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:48</time>
<p>To basically identify him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:50</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:51</time>
<p>And his body is brought to the United States, uh, on April 24th, 1906.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:55</time>
<p>His coffin's installed in Bancroft Hall.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:28:58</time>
<p>So interesting thing there, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:00</time>
<p>They didn't just, like, ship his body back over.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:03</time>
<p>So, and this is what I love.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:05</time>
<p>I've talked about this before, about, like, connecting historical figures</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:08</time>
<p>when you're, you're talking about these disparate things, 'cause we talk</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:10</time>
<p>about John Paul Jones, and we think, you know, 1700s and all that stuff.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:14</time>
<p>When he's dug up, so it's President Theodore Roosevelt who basically says,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:20</time>
<p>"Hey, we're not just gonna ship his body back. We're gonna give him, like, a few</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:23</time>
<p>ships, and they're going to escort his body back from France back to the United</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:28</time>
<p>States." So they give him, like, a, a, essentially, like, a kind of a hero's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:32</time>
<p>welcome, right, bringing him back over.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:34</time>
<p>It's Teddy Roosevelt,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:35</time>
<p>right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:35</time>
<p>So con-con- Yeah, seven United States battleships.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:37</time>
<p>Yeah, connect that in your brain, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:39</time>
<p>Teddy Roosevelt was president when John Paul Jones, the father</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:43</time>
<p>of the US Navy, was brought home.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:45</time>
<p>I just found that very fascinating.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:47</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:47</time>
<p>Seven battleships escort him home.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:49</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:50</time>
<p>Uh, and again, the, the ceremony at Dahlgren, is it Dahlgren Hall?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:58</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:29:58</time>
<p>Uh, was presided over by Teddy Roosevelt, who gave a speech paying tribute to Jones.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:03</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:03</time>
<p>And he held him as an example to the officers of the Navy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:07</time>
<p>So this is why we laugh- I, I know ... about the way Navy sailors act.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:12</time>
<p>If you really wanna hold John Paul Jones in, as an example, then us Navy</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:16</time>
<p>sailors are doing an exceptional job.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:18</time>
<p>Well,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:19</time>
<p>the, the, the culture of the Navy is not what it was, even when, when you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:24</time>
<p>and I were first in- That's- ... twen- over 20-plus years ago, 25 years ago.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:28</time>
<p>Um- You know, they, they used to joke, you know, on, on the enlisted</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:32</time>
<p>side, like you couldn't make chief unless you'd been to mast.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:35</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:35</time>
<p>You know?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:36</time>
<p>So, so that, that's, that was kind of the running joke.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:37</time>
<p>Now, again, I think the culture of the Navy has gotten a wh- a whole</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:40</time>
<p>lot better, um, and so that is not, not as much the case anymore.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:45</time>
<p>But there is- Like to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:46</time>
<p>joke about</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:46</time>
<p>it ... there is this kind of rabble-rouser, you know, uh,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:50</time>
<p>aura o- of, of sailors in port and, and all that stuff.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:53</time>
<p>So, um, just an interesting aside.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:30:56</time>
<p>And mast is when you're held to a disciplinary board- Yes</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:01</time>
<p>in the United States military.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:02</time>
<p>You</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:02</time>
<p>get in trouble, you go to captain's mast.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:04</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:04</time>
<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:04</time>
<p>So that's you going before the captain, the captain doling out punishment.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:08</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:08</time>
<p>Again, a term that more, my, people might not know.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:11</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:11</time>
<p>Uh, on January 26th, 1913, the captain's re- remains were reinterred in a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:17</time>
<p>bronze and marble sarcophagus at the Naval Academy chapel in Annapolis.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:23</time>
<p>So that is when he was officially moved to the location you see on the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:27</time>
<p>In the sarcophagus befitting of a Navy captain that is adorned with</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:33</time>
<p>seaweed on the back of four dolphins.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:37</time>
<p>It is a, a beautiful, uh, rendition to someone who was a sailor and, uh,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:43</time>
<p>just of the sea, and it really is, when you go there, something that's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:47</time>
<p>so honorable to someone who is the father of the United States Navy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:50</time>
<p>And it's a beautiful... Again, for those listening, you know, I would encourage</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:53</time>
<p>you guys to try to go check out the video, which I'll link in the show notes,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:57</time>
<p>but it's beautiful sarcophagus, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:31:59</time>
<p>So it's this kinda dark green, white, uh, like special kind of a marble.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:04</time>
<p>You know, it's, it's got bronze dolphins and sea monsters and anchors all kind of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:09</time>
<p>carved in and around it, seaweed on it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:12</time>
<p>It's just a beautiful setting kinda down underneath the, the, the chapel.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:17</time>
<p>It's, it's something you gotta see if you're gonna go to Annapolis,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:21</time>
<p>and you can get on and visit the, the, the Naval Academy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:24</time>
<p>It's very befitting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:25</time>
<p>Uh, I also wanted people to know that Jones was given</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:28</time>
<p>an honorary pardon in 1999-</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:30</time>
<p>Oh, I didn't know that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:31</time>
<p>by the Port of Whitehaven for his raid of the town.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:34</time>
<p>Remember when I talked about- ... sailors going into town.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:37</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:37</time>
<p>Uh, so posthumously, he's been more, um, forgiven for his acts, uh,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:44</time>
<p>because at the time he is operating under, you know, wartime procedures.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:49</time>
<p>But as a sailor, as a Navy veteran, it, it is a place of honor for us</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:54</time>
<p>to visit, and I was honored to go.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:32:56</time>
<p>It is beautiful, and I definitely recommend it for everybody.</p>
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<p>When John Paul Jones closed his eyes for the last time in a lonely Paris</p>
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<p>apartment, he had no idea that his final battle would be a century-long</p>
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<p>game of historical hide and seek.</p>
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<p>He died in the shadows, but his legacy was built for the light.</p>
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<p>It took the obsession of an American ambassador, the ingenuity of French</p>
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<p>engineers, and a lead coffin frozen in time to pull the father of the</p>
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<p>US Navy out from underneath the streets of Paris and bring him back</p>
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<p>to the nation he helped create.</p>
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<p>Today, when you stand in the quiet marble splendor of the crypt</p>
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<p>beneath the Naval Academy Chapel, you aren't just looking at a tomb.</p>
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<p>You are looking at a monument to American defiance.</p>
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<p>Jones taught a young nation how to fight on the high seas, and his final resting</p>
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<p>place stands as a permanent reminder to every midshipman of what it means to</p>
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<p>give everything for the cause of freedom.</p>
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<p>If you ever find yourself in Annapolis, take a walk down to the chapel, step</p>
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<p>into the cool air of the crypt, and look at the bronze anchors and remember the</p>
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<p>Scotsman who refused to strike his colors.</p>
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<p>We'll talk to you next time.</p>
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<p>Thank you.</p>
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<p>Episode researched by Jennifer Benne.</p>
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