Haunted Gettysburg: The History Behind the Ghost Stories

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It was very foggy and they were jogging the battlefield right

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by Devil's Den and they saw what they thought were two reenacters.

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And they were very dirty, she said, and they were like torn.

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The clothes were torn and they looked like they were just.

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Haggard and grown out beers and stuff and just was like, wow.

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And she even said to her dad, they're really into it.

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And they were on the other side of the road as they were jogging, and they didn't

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really even look at them or engage them.

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And she said her dad waved, but they didn't even really look up.

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And they just kept going and they didn't even think anything of it.

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Well then that night they're taking a ghost tour bus tour

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and the tour guide said, I.

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We're about to come onto the where the most seen ghosts are seen here at

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Gettysburg, right here by Devil's Den.

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It's two older rebels leaving Battle.

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People see them on this side of the road walking this way.

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They're seen constantly here at Gettysburg, and she said her and her dad.

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Just looked at each other and were like, oh my gosh.

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So if you're listening on Spotify they've rolled out a new feature

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Had commented on the Ronald Reagan episode where you had mentioned the

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gentleman claiming to be in charge of the White House as a speaker of

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the house, and actually was Alexander Hagg, who is Secretary of Defense.

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And I think we had corrected that

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that we corrected later on in the conversation.

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Yeah.

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That's, that's great feedback.

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We, we caught that later.

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And then also We got another comment from DG Photography on the Lost Colony episode.

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DG photography said I work a lot with the settlements down there in

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Virginia and there's new evidence indicating they just packed up and left.

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And that's in reference to the lost colony at Roanoke, North

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Basically kind of, nobody really knew.

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They just kinda just

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I remember they had carved coa into

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English settlers in America, period.

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Period.

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Mm-hmm.

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And no one knew what happened to him.

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That's why they called the lost colony, lost colon.

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But we surmised that they probably packed up and left.

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Yeah.

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And we'll, we talked about that on that

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but we love that, that people were commenting on DG photography.

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I also wanna give a shout out when we were on our trip to Little

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Bighorn that's coming up, the video's coming up this summer.

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We got approached, kind of your Jen, your first fan, public

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Yes.

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I was approached by someone at the Battle of Little Bighorn, like the

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most farthest out parking lot at the Battle of Little Bighorn national Park.

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They asked me, Jen, are you Jen of Walk With History?

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So it was pretty awesome.

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Took a picture

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Robbie Bryant.

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Mm-hmm.

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very nice.

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He said, oh yeah, I saw your stuff when you were working

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with JD from history under gown.

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And if you watched any history on YouTube, you've probably seen

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so that was just really cool.

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We told him we'd give him a little shout out.

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And then also while we were driving around the country, we kind of wrote our

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Yes.

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We made the history, mobile

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mobile.

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And we created a Venmo.

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And if you wanna use as you can, the Venmo is just at walk with history,

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mm-hmm.

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spaces.

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But we, we put it on the back and we got a, a donation from Sydney.

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And all that Sydney wrote was just spotted an I 90.

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And if you know the, the Western.

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Kind of part of the country from Montana down the I 90 is a very

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long kind of, east, west Highway.

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But the most northern

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one,

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I think Sydney donated a couple bucks.

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And then your friend Lisa, actually donated to our Venmo

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after we posted the picture on

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Facebook.

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Yeah.

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And she's a realtor in the Virginia area a top-notch realtor.

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So if you real estate information or advice, she's

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the person to go to Lisa Lynch

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. Scott: So it was super fun getting that.

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So it's just fun.

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Again, if you're listening, if you listen for a while, or if you're a new listener.

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Thank you to the reviewers, to the folks saying hello out in public.

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If you see us, please feel free to say hello on our Venmo, which

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For the longest time when Jen and I were dating in our early years of marriage,

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she would drag me along these ghost and I.

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Not being particularly houses or ghost stories.

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I, I never really knew why.

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mm-hmm.

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would do it

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do.

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And then about a year ago, maybe 18 months ago, we went to Colonial

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Williamsburg and did a ghost tour walking near George With's house.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I finally realized, Jen, why you like doing Go ghost tours so much is

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because they're all about history.

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So Jen, you've done a lot of ghost tours, but tonight we're actually talking about

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Yes.

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So let's talk about Gettysburg and

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Sure.

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Yeah, you're right.

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We have a lot of history of ghost tours every place we live.

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San Diego.

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San Diego claims to have the most haunted house in America.

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We dumped them in Dublin and Colonial Williamsburg, which we

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learned all about George with.

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We didn't really know about him until that ghost tour,

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and, and that's, that, that was kind of the light bulb moment for me.

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Now, it only took what.

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13, years of marriage for me to finally figure that out, that the

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reason that you like these Ghost tours so much is so much history.

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Because really if you've ever been on a ghost tour, and if you're listening, we'd

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be curious to hear kind of what ghost, what your favorite ghost tours have been.

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Yeah.

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But you go on the Ghost tour and they tell you all about what happened,

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and obviously But it's all history.

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It's history.

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You gotta make sure, so it's, it's, I would say it's.

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Foundational history.

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You've gotta make sure the story is true.

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So we'll talk about something that even in the Gettysburg Ghost Tour, that's not

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exactly true, but it embellishes the story so it makes it even more romanticized.

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So you gotta make sure that the history is accurate.

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But when you do listen to the ghost story and you go back to research

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it on your own, it usually has some facts, some historic fact to it.

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And that's what I love most about the

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Yeah, there, there's, there's some historic fact and then

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there's obviously like local lore.

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Yes.

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What people said, rumors,

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And then Gettysburg is known for its ghost tour.

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So yeah.

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so

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so talk about Gettysburg, the time that you went out to this one.

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I actually wasn't

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there.

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You weren't there with me.

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I did a three day well we did a three part series to this.

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Do we talk about Strong Vincents.

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I think I just do a little overview of Gettysburg, or I do

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the Gettysburg address because,

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went to the location

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where he spoke in the Evergreen Cemetery, which is not

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actually in the National Cemetery.

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He's actually sitting in the Evergreen Cemetery, which is the,

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the civilian cemetery of Gettysburg.

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And then we did a ghost tour, and I always wanted to do a ghost tour.

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So if you remember Gettysburg, it's happening July 1st,

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second, and third, 1863.

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It will have the most casualties of any battle in the Civil

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War, so the most killed.

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And because it happens so fast and because, Lee retreats and

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the union basically chases him.

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There's not a lot of time to bury the dead, so a lot happens

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to the dead in this timeframe.

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They're left outside for long periods of time.

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This is July.

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This is Pennsylvania and the humidity bloated body.

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So a lot of times, The initial battle.

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First couple weeks after, they just buried people where they

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lie, like they would go out to the battlefield and just bury graves.

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Then later they disinterred those graves and put them in the cemetery,

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the national cemetery

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there.

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Then they disinterred most of those Confederate graves and took those back to

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places like Hollywood Cemetery Richmond.

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Yeah.

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Closer.

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Closer to home

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So they took the Confederates back.

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So people have been moved often in Gettysburg and that doesn't mean

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that they don't find the random body here and there cuz they do.

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And it doesn't mean they got everybody.

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And with all that death comes these ghost plus it.

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There's a lot of unknown Yeah.

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Soldiers

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I, I think that's where a lot of it starts to stem the unknown.

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And there's a couple questions, and then someone and boof.

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Yeah.

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All of a sudden you have a

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Yeah.

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ghost

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So, so many of these men are unidentified, right?

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And so nobody knows for sure how many.

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<time>00:10:20</time>
And then who, and one of the stories we start off with is Is

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:24</time>
a unidentified soldier who dies holding a photograph, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:29</time>
And so this photograph is found by a young girl, and she takes it back to

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:33</time>
her tavern, and this journalist sees the photograph and he is I should

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:38</time>
run that photograph in the paper.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:39</time>
a, it's a photo, was it three kids or like a wife and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:42</time>
No, it's three children.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:44</time>
Three children and two boys and a girl.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:46</time>
And like it, the, it looks like the two older children are on either side

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:50</time>
of a younger boy in the middle and the person dies holding this picture.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:54</time>
And so there's no other distinguishing facts about this

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:57</time>
body except for that picture.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:59</time>
So they run the picture in the paper.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:00</time>
Now you remember the Gettysburg happens in July.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:04</time>
Picture is run in October and identified in October, and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:08</time>
they identify it as Amos Ton.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:12</time>
And his wife sees the picture and recognizes him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:15</time>
So she hasn't heard from him from since July.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:17</time>
Oh,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:17</time>
Oh

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:17</time>
So

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:18</time>
so July to October.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:19</time>
This is when she sees the picture.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:20</time>
And I'm not saying that was common, but it's more common than not common.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:26</time>
And at least she knows that's where he died.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:29</time>
Sure.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:29</time>
Because how else would you know where your significant other fell?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:34</time>
You don't know.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:35</time>
And that's where these unknown soldiers would

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:36</time>
sure what happened a lot back then husband never came home.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:39</time>
Never came home.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:40</time>
And so you didn't really know where, this is the last letter you got and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:43</time>
hopefully someone knew him or saw him, or maybe you got a story, maybe you didn't.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:48</time>
Who knows?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:49</time>
When she actually, she sees this picture of the, these three children

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:53</time>
I'm standing kind of outside the cemetery doors, that's where they

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:58</time>
believe that he fell in that area there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:01</time>
There was a lot of fighting right there on that main street, that first day.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:04</time>
That's Baltimore street.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:06</time>
And right where I'm standing is not only where they believe he died, but it's

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:12</time>
also what would become the orphanage.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:16</time>
And that orphanage is basically like an orphanage and.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:22</time>
Widow's house for the people of Gettysburg or the Battle of Gettysburg.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:27</time>
And so, Huston's wife actually will be the first mistress

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:31</time>
of that house with her three

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:32</time>
And, and if, and if folks are curious to watch the video, so you can

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:35</time>
see what, what Jen's talking about, I will link our three part series in the, the

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:40</time>
video, the description of this podcast.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:42</time>
So in your podcast player, you can, you can find that, or you can go to

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:44</time>
our, our channel But if you're curious to watch the videos after this to, to

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:49</time>
kind of see what we're talking about

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:51</time>
Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:52</time>
So that's basically, and I'm gonna get into this first Ghost story.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:55</time>
So this national Homestead of Gettysburg, also called the Gettysburg Orphanage.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:59</time>
A Widow's Home opens in October of 1866.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:02</time>
So this is three years after the Battle Gettysburg.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:05</time>
The first matron is Huston's widow.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:08</time>
Her three children are there and it's.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:12</time>
People say, they really love her.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:14</time>
She does a great job.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:15</time>
But then it's the second person after she leaves, she's replaced by a

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:20</time>
Rosa Carmichael, and that's when the history takes a turn for the worse.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:25</time>
And this is where all the haunting stories come from because

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:29</time>
she's a cruel disciplinarian.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:32</time>
She has a dungeon in the bottom of the orphanage.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:34</time>
She abuses children down there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:37</time>
If they're bad,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:38</time>
just kind of reported later because she got in

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:41</time>
Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:41</time>
Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:42</time>
And she got in a lot of trouble.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:44</time>
And it's actually, so we, our ghost tour takes you like kind of behind and they

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:49</time>
say there's been people witnessing kids' faces in the windows and things like that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:54</time>
And so it's a popular spot for paranormal investigators.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:57</time>
Ghost hunting, ghost Adventures came, spent the night in the basement trying

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:01</time>
to communicate with Carmichael's ghost.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:03</time>
It's also been featured in other

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:04</time>
That's like one, one of those shows or

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:06</time>
of those shows.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:06</time>
the shows has actually tried

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:07</time>
Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:08</time>
So you can't, right now it's not open for tours inside, but

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:12</time>
it's part of the ghost tour.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:14</time>
Outside, walk around.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:15</time>
Mm-hmm.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:15</time>
And you're right in the center of the action there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:17</time>
So remember if you go to that orphanage, you're right beside the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:21</time>
cemetery, which is right across from Cemetery Hill, cemetery Ridge, where

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:24</time>
that first day of battle took place.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:27</time>
You're kind of cattycorner to the Jenny Wade house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:29</time>
That's the only civilian casualty of Gettysburg.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:34</time>
And so you're right in the center of everything right there, so that most

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:38</time>
ghost tours are gonna take you on that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:40</time>
Property and tell you the story of the orphanage, tell you the story of

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:44</time>
the terrible head mistress and some of those graphic stories, and then

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:48</time>
the haunting of the children today

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:52</time>
No, that's, that, that was an interesting one.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:54</time>
It sounded, and there's a couple, is, was there a couple kind of ghost

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:57</time>
tours or was that kind of the, the primary one there in Gettysburg?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:02</time>
So there's a couple, I did two of them.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:05</time>
Yeah, I did a daytime one and I did a nighttime one.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:08</time>
And of course there's a couple different companies and we'll talk

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:10</time>
about the company that I used.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:12</time>
But it, you can do many different ones and like I said, we really

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:17</time>
didn't venture onto the battlefield.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:19</time>
You aren't allowed to go on the battlefield after.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:21</time>
Sundown.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:22</time>
Oh, really?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:23</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:23</time>
So the ghost stories have to kind of stay on the, you stand on the outside

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:27</time>
of the battlefield and talk about it, but they claim that Gettysburg is one

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:30</time>
of the most haunted places because of all the people that died there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:34</time>
And so you'll see many ghosts.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:37</time>
Shows where they put microphones at Devil's Den, because it was a,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:41</time>
a strong influence of of rebels who were killed at Devil's Den.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:45</time>
we, we had a, we had our friend Courtney.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:47</time>
Yes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:47</time>
Do you wanna talk, you, do you want to kind of tell her

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:50</time>
Sure.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:50</time>
So I always say, So the microphone at Devil's done, I was just gonna

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:54</time>
tell you, they, they catch, they, they claim to catch people yelling

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
at night or, people whispering to each other, things along that nature.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:02</time>
You can watch any of those on TV and you can decide for yourself.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:06</time>
My friend Courtney.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:06</time>
So I love Gettysburg.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:08</time>
We've talked about this.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:09</time>
I love going at the golden hour.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:10</time>
That's the first hour after sunrise.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:12</time>
That's when the park opens, parks, opens sunrise to sunset.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:16</time>
And so if you can get out there early, if you stay at a place

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:19</time>
close enough and you can get out.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:21</time>
To the battlefield, right as the sun rises like I did.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:24</time>
You can jog it and it's a beautiful jog and it's a great place.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:27</time>
It's safe and it's groomed and nobody's there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:31</time>
It's like you have the place to yourself.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:32</time>
If you see our video from Gettysburg, I'm at Devil's Den by myself.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:36</time>
I mean, that's really unheard of, especially in the summer.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:39</time>
I wasn't there and I was in September, but in the summer, to be anywhere

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:43</time>
in Gettysburg by herself is rare.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:46</time>
So my friend Courtney, your friend Courtney, we know her from the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:49</time>
Navy, went to the Naval Academy.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:51</time>
And she would meet her dad sometimes in Gettysburg to jog

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:54</time>
the battlefield cuz it was close.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:56</time>
It's close enough to DC and it's a great, like I said, it's a

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:59</time>
great jog and one morning dusk.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:01</time>
It was very foggy and they were jogging the battlefield right

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:05</time>
by Devil's Den and they saw what they thought were two reenacters.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:11</time>
Again, the park's only open from sunrise to sunset, and they had

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:15</time>
just gotten there at sunrise.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:18</time>
So doesn't mean that it's not reenacted out there at sunrise, it's just why.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:23</time>
And they were very dirty, she said, and they were like torn.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:26</time>
The clothes were torn and they looked like they were just.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:30</time>
Haggard and grown out beers and stuff and just was like, wow.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:34</time>
And she even said to her dad, they're really into it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:36</time>
And they were on the other side of the road as they were jogging, and they didn't

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:39</time>
really even look at them or engage them.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:41</time>
And she said her dad waved, but they didn't even really look up.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:43</time>
And they just kept going and they didn't even think anything of it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:47</time>
Well then that night they're taking a ghost tour bus tour and the bus tour

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:53</time>
is, it's before the sun goes down.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:55</time>
They're allowed, they were driving the battlefield and the tour guide said, I.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:00</time>
We're about to come onto the where the most seen ghosts are seen here at

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:05</time>
Gettysburg, right here by Devil's Den.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:06</time>
It's two older rebels leaving Battle.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:10</time>
People see them on this side of the road walking this way.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:13</time>
They're seen constantly here at Gettysburg, and she said her and her dad.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:17</time>
Just looked at each other and were like, oh my gosh.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:21</time>
And the way the tour driver described them, it was like the description was

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:27</time>
to a t of the two men that they saw.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:30</time>
And she said, she said it makes her hair stand up even when she

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:33</time>
thinks about it and talks about it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:35</time>
And so for me, I always, again, I find that fascinating and interesting.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:40</time>
I've never seen a ghost, so, but I.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:43</time>
I wanna get out there and I wanna, and like I said, I

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:45</time>
went to Devil's Den by myself.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:47</time>
I didn't see any ghosts.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:47</time>
And you can watch a video and I, I even say in the video, if

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:50</time>
you see anything behind me in the video, I'm here by myself.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:53</time>
But because of those types of stories, it's one of the most

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:57</time>
visited paranormal places.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:58</time>
And that's where you'll see all these ghost hunters go to Devil's Den of

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:02</time>
all places that will go to Devil's Den more than any other location

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:06</time>
You and I were talking before we went live here we

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:09</time>
interviewed history Eddie from

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:11</time>
history?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:11</time>
Mm-hmm.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:11</time>
Mm-hmm.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:12</time>
And he's a Reenactor.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:13</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:13</time>
So he's, he's pretty big on, in Instagram if you look him up.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:15</time>
History Unlimited But he's a reenactor.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:18</time>
He's been doing it And he told us a story once where he actually got mistaken at

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:24</time>
for a ghost in Gettysburg because he was out there one year for a reenactment.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:19:30</time>
My, my favorite Gettysburg Ghost story real quick is the Ghost

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:19:34</time>
story where I was actually the Ghost and we were, yeah, we were

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:19:39</time>
down there for the filming Okay.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:19:40</time>
Of the movie Gettysburg.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:19:42</time>
And, you know, reenacters we're funny people.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:19:44</time>
We like to dress up on our uniforms, even though we're not reenacting

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:19:48</time>
We go out to dinner and everything, go bars and all that.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:19:52</time>
I just happened to go out into the national cemetery out there and was

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:19:56</time>
walking around and there was this newlywed couple that was at the hotel we were

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:00</time>
staying at, and my parents are outside and I come walking out of the cemetery.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:06</time>
And I'm in my full union uniform, my sword, my ashes, plumed

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:10</time>
hat and everything like that.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:11</time>
And cool.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:12</time>
All of a sudden the married couple turns around and freaks out . And they ran

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:16</time>
to the manager and said that I, they saw a ghost coming outta the cemetery.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:21</time>
So the manager comes back and I had gone into the, the room thinking that

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:25</time>
I didn't know what was going on, right?

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:26</time>
So I come out with the.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:28</time>
and they look like they have literally seen the ghosts.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:30</time>
They're all p My parents are like, oh, that's just my son.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:33</time>
Mm-hmm.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:33</time>
, you know?

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:33</time>
Oh my God.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:34</time>
We're gonna leave, you know,

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:35</time>
.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:39</time>
and just beelined back into the hotel and they were just freaked out.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:43</time>
And apparently they mistook him for a ghost walking out of the cemetery.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:49</time>
In period.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:49</time>
Gar.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:50</time>
And he had been in it all day.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:51</time>
So he was kind of just like sweaty and stuff like that.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:54</time>
And he just laughs about it.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:55</time>
And he found about, he found out about it because like he had walked into the

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:20:59</time>
hotel and he was in the hotel lobby.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:21:01</time>
of.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:21:01</time>
Being normal.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:21:02</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Eddie:</cite>
<time>00:21:03</time>
And the, I think the hotel

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:07</time>
So, speaking of the cemetery, there is a ghost story

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:09</time>
associated with the cemetery.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:13</time>
So they said there was a soldier, William Edward Miller.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:17</time>
He was an American soldier who fought with the Union Army in the Civil War,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:21</time>
and he received the highest award for For bravery during combat, the Medal of Honor

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:26</time>
for actions at Taken on July 3rd during the Battle of Gettysburg, he was ordered

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:31</time>
to keep his company stationed on a hill.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:33</time>
He disobeyed these orders and led a surprise attack against a Confederate

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:37</time>
charge, and he said to have saved Gettysburg for his decision to break rank.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:41</time>
And he was claiming to be the first time in military history where soldier was

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:44</time>
awarded for disobeying a direct order.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:48</time>
So he later passes away.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:51</time>
He's later buried at the Gettysburg Cemetery, but his marker doesn't identify

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:58</time>
him as a Medal of Honor recipient.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:00</time>
Which that's not I mean, it's not unheard of.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:04</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:04</time>
Cause today we, they do that.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:06</time>
So in, back in the day, that wasn't a norm.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:11</time>
It wasn't, it wasn't a norm if you were awarded the medal of Honor for it to

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:14</time>
automatically be put on your tombstone.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:18</time>
Now it is.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:20</time>
Now.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:20</time>
Usually they do 'em in gold writing.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:22</time>
We talked about Dy Murphy didn't want his in gold writing, but his

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:26</time>
still says Medal of Honor on it, and so they replaced everybody who

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:30</time>
has received the Medal of Honor.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:31</time>
Everyone's tombstone has been replaced.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:34</time>
If it's okay with their family with gold writing Medal of

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:37</time>
Honor, and it says, It on there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:39</time>
And so the story was until his tombstone was replaced and he was identified

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:46</time>
as a Medal of Honor recipient.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:47</time>
He wandered the graveyard, his ghost wandered the graveyard.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:52</time>
And so, so that was like we were standing at the cemetery.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:55</time>
We went to his grave.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:56</time>
His grave is, is right when you first walk into the cemetery.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:59</time>
It's to the right.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:59</time>
So it's a very easy one to find.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:01</time>
And you stand there and you look at it and, and the tour guide,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:04</time>
like before this identified him as a Medal of Honor recipient.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:09</time>
His ghost would wander the graveyard waiting to be I, recognized

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:13</time>
or his valor at Gettysburg.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:16</time>
So I thought that was pretty interesting

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:17</time>
I, I mean, I, I a part of me, I alluded to it in the

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:20</time>
beginning that I would always

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:23</time>
Mm-hmm.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:24</time>
after a while, the one part I did appreciate is the

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:26</time>
theatrics of the, of the tour guide.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:29</time>
Especially if they were one of the better can kind of really get you into the

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:33</time>
story like that, they always usually get a chuckle or two, out of the like that.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:38</time>
So, so that, that always is

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:41</time>
And they really do get into it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:43</time>
And it is, you feel you're there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:45</time>
You're being entertained, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:46</time>
Because you're paying for this ghost tour and you wanna learn

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:49</time>
about the people of that time.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:52</time>
I

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:53</time>
I can totally see you giving a hundred percent.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:56</time>
I would like to be the people who like sit at the gravestone and dress up as

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:00</time>
the person who died and tell their story.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:02</time>
I like

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:02</time>
a, like more, more reenactor

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:04</time>
more reenactor.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:04</time>
That was something I would be interested in doing.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:07</time>
So one of those stories that I learned a lot of that day was General Reynolds.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:11</time>
So when you first walk into the Gettysburg veteran National Cemetery, now the one

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:15</time>
where those soldiers are buried, there's a huge statue when you first walk in.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:19</time>
It says General Reynolds on it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:20</time>
And General Reynolds is the first general.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:24</time>
Killed at Gettysburg.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:25</time>
He's killed that first day and he's killed.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:28</time>
He leads his men on a charge and he's shot pretty much right

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:32</time>
away in the back of the head.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:34</time>
And the ghost story they tell around him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:37</time>
So I learned much more about him because I didn't know a lot about him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:41</time>
He's not buried there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:42</time>
He's actually buried in his hometown of Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:45</time>
He's not as much of a household name when it

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:47</time>
burg, no, but the ghost story was significant.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:49</time>
So at 2 37 Steiner, which is like the intersection of the two main roads

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:54</time>
there in downtown of Gettysburg with a lot of the first day battle took

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:59</time>
place, is an old stone building, and now they do old time photographs in there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:04</time>
But that building was there.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:07</time>
During the Battle of Gettysburg, and when Reynolds is killed, his

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:11</time>
body is brought into that building.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:14</time>
Now the story goes, and this part of the story is true, is he had a fiance

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:20</time>
her name was Kate Hewitt, and they had not told their families they were

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:26</time>
engaged yet because, One was Catholic, one was Protestant, and they had

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:30</time>
been writing letters to each other.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:31</time>
She had his West point ring.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:33</time>
He had a locket of her hair and a, and like a gold charm from her that he wore.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:37</time>
And so the first time the families even learned of her was when they got his body

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:43</time>
and they found trinkets of her on him and then contacted her, and then she met them.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:50</time>
On July 3rd, so not two days later, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:52</time>
She lived in Maryland, so not far.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:54</time>
And then he's buried on July 4th.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:56</time>
So really when you think about it, it happens really quickly.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:59</time>
Now, the story goes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:01</time>
She was on her way to Gettysburg to meet him, to have a rendezvous because

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:07</time>
nobody quite knew that this battle was gonna take place in Gettysburg.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:10</time>
And she gets there just as he's been killed.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:13</time>
And so she sits with his body in that kitchen of that stone

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:18</time>
building there on that street.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:20</time>
And weeps and cries with him.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:23</time>
And the story goes, you can walk by that building at night sometime and see the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:27</time>
light on in the back kitchen and a woman in a period dress crying and weeping.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:32</time>
Well, the truth is she didn't even know he had died.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:35</time>
She didn't find out until her fam, his family had gotten his body,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:39</time>
found the things on him, and was able to get in touch with her.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:44</time>
And that's when they all met.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:46</time>
When she comes to Lancaster.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:49</time>
To meet the family for the funeral is when she sees his body for the first time dead

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:53</time>
and the family learns of who she is now.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:56</time>
She never married.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:57</time>
She joins a nunnery.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:59</time>
They vowed it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:59</time>
If they didn't marry each other, they would never marry, and so she doesn't.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:04</time>
But that's a part of the story that has some fact,

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:07</time>
but the story kind of grew longer legs

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:10</time>
Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:10</time>
Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:11</time>
And then if you're ever walking by that building and you see a light on, you're

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:14</time>
like, is this the ghost back there?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:16</time>
Right When, so his body was taken to that building, and that in itself could be a

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:21</time>
ghost story, but to embellish it with this tragic love story, which is a true, tragic

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:26</time>
love story, but to put her in that place as well, and to put her as part of that

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:32</time>
whole story I thought was interesting.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:34</time>
But I learned about that story because of.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:37</time>
The Ghost which again, another reason why I love Ghost

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:42</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:42</time>
And if you're, if you are interested in getting out to Gettysburg, right?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:44</time>
You're listening to this and you're driving up there for the summer or

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:47</time>
something like that, and you, you want to do a a ghost tour, I will

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:50</time>
link the, the company that you used, I think we linked them in our video.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:53</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:53</time>
Gettysburg Ghost

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:54</time>
Getty Gettysburg Goes tour.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:55</time>
So I'll, I'll put that link in the, the show notes description.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:58</time>
If, if you're curious.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:59</time>
So, so definitely

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:00</time>
Yeah, they were fantastic.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:02</time>
I definitely would taking, taking it goes tour cause something, it's something to

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:06</time>
do at night cuz I'm like, I tell people.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:08</time>
The battlefield is closed right at night, so you could find a talk if you could go

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:13</time>
to one of the museums or one of the local pro universities there and find someone

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:18</time>
giving a lecture, if not to a ghost tour.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:20</time>
But another great place to go would be Dobbins House, and that's another ghost

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:24</time>
story is of centered around this house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:26</time>
So doin House Tavern, also located on Steiner Avenue, 89 Steiner Avenue is.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:32</time>
The oldest house in Gettysburg, it was an old tavern.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:36</time>
It was built in 1776, and it was for Reverend Alexander Dobbin and

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:42</time>
his family, and he had 10 kids.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:46</time>
His wife passes away and then he marries a widow with nine kids.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:49</time>
So this is 19, 19, 19 kids.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:51</time>
God

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:53</time>
So, They open a school as well.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:56</time>
Why not?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:56</time>
I have 19 kids.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:57</time>
Might as well open a school, right?

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:59</time>
So the second floor of Dobbins House becomes a school.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:01</time>
It's also a stop on the Underground Railroad, although

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:05</time>
that has not been substantiated.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:07</time>
People do believe because he was a pastor and because it was a very.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:12</time>
Active Tavern.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:14</time>
It was a good stop on the Underground Railroad today.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:18</time>
It's like a five star restaurant.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:20</time>
If you want something to do in the evening, go to Darwin Tavern,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:23</time>
have some great food, have some great alcohol, have a great time

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:27</time>
like, and you can sit outside.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:29</time>
And it's just a really great location right in the heart of Gettysburg with

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:32</time>
a ton of and ghost stories around it.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:36</time>
So because of the children associated with the family and the school, they

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:41</time>
claim that there is children, ghost children who run around the tavern.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:47</time>
Is that, is that the one where people say that?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:52</time>
building?

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:52</time>
Yeah, it

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:52</time>
like a little finger had been

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:53</time>
Like little kid fingers have

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:55</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:56</time>
Icing

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:56</time>
cowing the cake or and I, I mean, honestly, if I was a chef there,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:00</time>
I'd be doing that to all the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:02</time>
Because first of all, I'd want to eat the icing and then I'm

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:04</time>
gonna keep up this ghost story.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:05</time>
Yeah.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:05</time>
I don't know how that got there.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:06</time>
I swear I just finished this cake.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:08</time>
Yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:09</time>
And then there's a African American child that they see who might have

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:12</time>
been associated with the Underground Railroad who also, it makes their

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:16</time>
presence known, I guess, in Bin's house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:18</time>
But one of the cool things they do have there, that is actually something

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:22</time>
you can see with your own eyes is at night, there's a silhouette on the

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:27</time>
second floor from the rocks that looks like a silhouette of Abraham Lincoln.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:33</time>
mm-hmm.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:33</time>
and I actually show it.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:34</time>
It's, it's, it's pretty clear in the video.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:36</time>
So again, if you wanna go check out the video after you listen to the

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:39</time>
podcast I'll link it in the show notes.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:41</time>
But it's, it's very clear and, and you look at it, you're like,

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:45</time>
yes.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:46</time>
So, if you're.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:47</time>
Visiting Gettysburg, I would recommend spend your day Battlefield.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:53</time>
Definitely do a tour and definitely try to get there early if you wanna have

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:59</time>
some alone time on the battlefield.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:01</time>
But at night you can do one of these ghost tours.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:04</time>
You can go to Dobbins Tavern for dinner and there'll be more stories to tell.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:08</time>
Like I didn't really get into Jenny Wade house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:10</time>
They did tell the story about Jenny Wade house being haunted by Jenny Wade

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:14</time>
herself, who shot through the back while she's making bread in the house.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:17</time>
Because I said the battle took place right on that main street, that first day.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:21</time>
And you'll learn about Jenny Wade, and she's also buried right

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:23</time>
there in the Evergreen Cemetery.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:25</time>
So basically right across the But yeah, I definitely recommend

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:30</time>
the Gettysburg Ghost tours.

<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:32</time>
We did a candlelight tour, I did a cry battle tour, and they were pretty awesome.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:36</time>
No, it's super fun and it's fun to talk about these.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:39</time>
And thank you for joining us as we explore the history and mystery of the

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:43</time>
Ghost Tours at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:45</time>
We hope you enjoyed learning about the, the haunted history

<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:31:48</time>
of some of this iconic location.

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<time>00:31:50</time>
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