Deadwood | Wild Bill Hickok's True History & Western Legend

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<p>Because it had the coffee infused in it.</p>
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<p>So it said it was like sweeter.</p>
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<p>So it already had kind of some, it's already.</p>
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<p>Mixed a little bit.</p>
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<p>And it wasn't bad.</p>
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<p>I could definitely notice like kind of the, the coffee hint to it.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And that little bit of sweetness.</p>
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<p>If I was gonna try to, any, any of those other whiskeys a little</p>
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<p>bit straight, I'd have to be like in the, in the drinking mood.</p>
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<p>I guess this is appropriate if we're doing a podcast about cowboys and</p>
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<p>stuff.</p>
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<p>Welcome</p>
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<p>to Talk With History.</p>
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<p>I'm your host Scott, here with my wife and historian Jen.</p>
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<p>Hello.</p>
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<p>Now, before we get into our main topic, as always, we've been getting</p>
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<p>highest month of downloads this last July ever for the podcast.</p>
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<p>We almost, we got close to a thousand downloads for the whole month.</p>
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<p>So I'm pretty happy about that.</p>
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<p>So thank you for those who are listening and who are sharing the podcast.</p>
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<p>And Wild Bill Hickok was a legendary figure of the American Wild West,</p>
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<p>renowned for his exceptional shooting skills and reputation as a gunslinger.</p>
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<p>He served as a lawman, marshal, and scout during the Civil War and</p>
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<p>afterward in various frontier towns.</p>
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<p>Despite his law enforcement roles, he did have some bad habits and made some enemies</p>
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<p>that brought him to his now famous demise.</p>
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<p>So Jen, let's talk about this famous figure of the Wild West</p>
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<p>and where we were this summer.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>So we went to Deadwood,</p>
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<p>South Dakota.</p>
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<p>We did.</p>
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<p>It was honestly, it was kind of one of the few places I got.</p>
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<p>A little more excited to, to go see just because of the reputation of Deadwood, the</p>
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<p>show and just the whole Wild West thing.</p>
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<p>Sure.</p>
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<p>And like</p>
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<p>the recreation of the picture of the main street, Deadwood is</p>
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<p>the exact historic main street you walk down in Deadwood today.</p>
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<p>So if you watch the show or anything like that, like you're, you're</p>
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<p>walking through history of what.</p>
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<p>It made this town so quickly and even what it's known for</p>
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<p>today.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And even I've noticed in the video, right, it's been out for</p>
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<p>a few days now, I've noticed the watch time is a little bit longer.</p>
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<p>And so YouTube kind of gives us these good kind of feedback metrics</p>
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<p>because, you know, I found some cool music that was actually very.</p>
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<p>Fits very well with the story.</p>
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<p>Yeah, this is kind of dead man walking song But there's lots of pictures of</p>
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<p>Deadwood and you describe it very well Even in the video when we're walking</p>
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<p>down this paved modern day street, you know with some throwback kind of</p>
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<p>touristy stuff But then showing the old pictures of these muddy muddy.</p>
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<p>It's just dirt</p>
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<p>dirty road, and it's not even a road I would just say a</p>
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<p>clearing where they have built up these makeshift wooden Buildings?</p>
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<p>I wouldn't even use buildings.</p>
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<p>It's like these lean tos that they have made and called them</p>
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<p>saloons and called them brothels.</p>
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<p>Well, and you can picture it, right?</p>
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<p>Because you talk about in the video why they named it</p>
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<p>Deadwood.</p>
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<p>Yeah, a gulch of dead trees were found there.</p>
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<p>And it is a little valley because it is pretty hilly around there.</p>
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<p>And you're in the Black Hills.</p>
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<p>So, uh, here's a valley area and they found these gulch of dead trees.</p>
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<p>So they called it Deadwood.</p>
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<p>Yeah, and so remind me the era that everything kind of</p>
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<p>started coming together out there.</p>
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<p>So you have to remember, this does not, this is American Indian territory.</p>
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<p>Yeah, that's right.</p>
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<p>It's not a state.</p>
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<p>It is not a state.</p>
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<p>And this is going to become a problem for Hickok's murder.</p>
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<p>But this land belongs to the Lakota.</p>
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<p>and it's belonged to them since the treaty of Fort Laramie of 1868.</p>
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<p>So you can think almost, um, 10 years it's been their land.</p>
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<p>Oh, wow.</p>
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<p>And what happens is George Armstrong Custer comes through there in 1874.</p>
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<p>So about six years, he's out there enforcing these treaties, and this</p>
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<p>is what we get into Bighorn, which we'll talk about on another episode.</p>
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<p>He's enforcing these, uh, treaties where the American Indians have</p>
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<p>adhered to staying on certain areas, hence reservations,</p>
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<p>and he's riding through here.</p>
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<p>When gold is discovered, 1874, 1875, and so it becomes this big boom where</p>
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<p>people want to go make their fortunes.</p>
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<p>Yeah, the word gets out.</p>
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<p>The word gets out.</p>
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<p>And so they can't stop this influx of people, even though they should be.</p>
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<p>George Armstrong Custer should be stopping these people because it's not.</p>
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<p>Uh, their land.</p>
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<p>And they shouldn't be settling it.</p>
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<p>It belongs to the Lakota.</p>
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<p>But he doesn't because he's part of it.</p>
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<p>He also wants the gold and of course, uh, and so he allows these people to</p>
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<p>come in and he, the military kind of like turns a blind eye to it and they start</p>
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<p>to have these little makeshift buildings that pop up to service all the Fortune</p>
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<p>hunters, miners, they come into the area.</p>
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<p>So this is about 1876, 5, 000 people, 1877, 12, 000</p>
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<p>people, 1878, 25, 000 people.</p>
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<p>That</p>
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<p>kind of surprised me, even when I went back and I was making the video, like</p>
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<p>that is, especially back then, that is a</p>
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<p>drastic, drastic.</p>
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<p>Right.</p>
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<p>And so it's incomprehensible how they could even govern it to begin with.</p>
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<p>So it becomes a very lawless area, as you can imagine, because you get all these</p>
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<p>men coming in to make their fortune.</p>
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<p>And so you get a lot of gambling, you get a lot of alcoholism.</p>
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<p>You get Hickok who's called here you get the brothels I know of course you</p>
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<p>get the brothels pop up and we'll talk a little bit about one of the most famous</p>
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<p>madams Who's very close to Hickok?</p>
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<p>from the most Profitable brothel there in Deadwood.</p>
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<p>But yeah, so these are things that gonna pop up for all these men you're gonna get</p>
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<p>You know, restaurants, saloons, pop up liveries, so liveries where you put your</p>
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<p>horse, butcher shops, uh, and makeshift tents and things like that, and brothels.</p>
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<p>So what happens is you get wagon trains who, it's their business</p>
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<p>to, you know, bring people, lead people from one area to another.</p>
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<p>They navigate you through, right?</p>
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<p>And if you watched 1883, this is a business of the time.</p>
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<p>Usually you're paid.</p>
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<p>before to take people through and you, you will help with supplies, you know</p>
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<p>the area, you, you're, you do the safety, and then you're paid once you get there.</p>
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<p>And that's basically your pay.</p>
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<p>So Hickok takes a wagon train from Fort Laramie, which is so interesting.</p>
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<p>That's the treaty of Fort Laramie that is adhering to these Indian lands.</p>
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<p>So, this is the big fort of Wyoming, and this is still Wyoming territory,</p>
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<p>and this is Dakota territory.</p>
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<p>So, they're not even states, which again, they're not governed in that way.</p>
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<p>So, he, uh, Hickok takes a wagon train from Fort Laramie to, uh, Wyoming.</p>
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<p>Dead word.</p>
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<p>Now at this point in his life and career, he'd already</p>
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<p>been, he already has a reputation.</p>
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<p>If I remember correctly, he's been a marshal for a little while.</p>
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<p>So he already kind of has all this kind of notoriety.</p>
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<p>So yes, James Butler Hickok, he's born May 27th, 1837.</p>
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<p>Um, he's a folk hero of the old west, but mostly because he comes</p>
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<p>up beside Buffalo Bill Cody.</p>
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<p>So he comes up beside him.</p>
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<p>So his stories are told with him.</p>
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<p>Now, Cody can capitalize on those a little better than Hickok, but it doesn't</p>
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<p>mean Hickok stories don't get told.</p>
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<p>So yes.</p>
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<p>uh, Hickok is, uh, he leaves his home at 18 years old, Illinois.</p>
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<p>He, uh, becomes a lawman in Kansas, Abilene, Kansas.</p>
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<p>That'll be important later.</p>
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<p>In Nebraska, he becomes a scout for the Union Army, just like Buffalo Cody.</p>
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<p>And he, um, and he meets like these kind of people who do</p>
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<p>shows and stuff like that.</p>
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<p>So he has met a woman who's part of the circus and he marries her in</p>
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<p>Cheyenne and they're married in March.</p>
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<p>Her name is Agnes Thatcher Lake and you show a picture of her in the video and</p>
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<p>she's a 50 year old widow of the circus.</p>
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<p>So they're running in the same kind of circle.</p>
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<p>And she was actually like a very famous, very well traveled,</p>
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<p>very In that in the circus kind of, you know, world, she was like, I</p>
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<p>was reading about her a little bit.</p>
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<p>She's actually very well known.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:12</time>
<p>She's very well known.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:13</time>
<p>And so she stays in Cheyenne.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:14</time>
<p>So you can imagine they're getting married March of 1876.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:18</time>
<p>He's going to Fort Laramie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:21</time>
<p>So Fort Laramie is right outside of Cheyenne.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:23</time>
<p>And he's getting there by June.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:26</time>
<p>And then by he takes the wagon train from Uh, June to July to Deadwood.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:32</time>
<p>And so she, she stays behind and he wants to make his fortune because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:36</time>
<p>he's heard about all this gold.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:37</time>
<p>Of course.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:38</time>
<p>And so he's like, I'm going to make it rich quickly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:40</time>
<p>And he's a gambler.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:41</time>
<p>And he's a gambler.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:42</time>
<p>So he joins Charlie Utter's wagon train.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:45</time>
<p>And Charlie Utter, if you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:47</time>
<p>Know anything about Wild Boat Hickok?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:49</time>
<p>It's the name on the tombstone.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:52</time>
<p>And we'll talk more about that because Charlie, Charlie Utter is a fan of Hickok.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:57</time>
<p>It's his wagon train and they all meet up in Fort Laramie and another person joins</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:02</time>
<p>the wagon train then to Calamity Jane.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:03</time>
<p>So they take the train, the wagon train together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:06</time>
<p>So Calamity Jane didn't know Hickok.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:08</time>
<p>Well, they met this one time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:10</time>
<p>They, they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:11</time>
<p>must have, I, I, the more I thought about it, like, and, and we talk about it</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:15</time>
<p>later in the video, like her dying wish.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:17</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:17</time>
<p>was to be buried next by, next to Wild Bill.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:20</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:21</time>
<p>. And they, it must have been one of those things, and maybe this is just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:24</time>
<p>kind of the romantic side of, you know, Outlook that I have on, on stories</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:28</time>
<p>like this sometimes, but they must have just kind of like connected, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:33</time>
<p>Just like birds of a feather, same, same spirit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:35</time>
<p>They hit it off, you know, because for some reason throughout history, those</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:40</time>
<p>two names have always gone together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:42</time>
<p>And, and to your point, historically, they didn't spend a ton of time together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:46</time>
<p>They didn't,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:47</time>
<p>but You can imagine there probably are not a lot of women acting</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:51</time>
<p>like Calamity Jane at this time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:52</time>
<p>She's very much adhering to men gender norms.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:56</time>
<p>She's wearing men clothing and she's succumbed to alcoholism.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:00</time>
<p>So she's drinking every day, which Hickok is also an alcoholic.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:04</time>
<p>So he's drinking every day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:05</time>
<p>So there's some shared hardship.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:07</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:07</time>
<p>That they have together on this wagon train.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:09</time>
<p>Drinking buddy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:10</time>
<p>drinking buddy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:11</time>
<p>She's a good shot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:11</time>
<p>He's a good shot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:13</time>
<p>They can tell stories together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:15</time>
<p>They can laugh together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:16</time>
<p>So they probably connected.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:22</time>
<p>Well, and even like the more that I learned about them and you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:25</time>
<p>again, you mentioned it in the video, uh, and, and I'll link the video</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:28</time>
<p>in the show notes for this podcast.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:31</time>
<p>But you talk about her, she's got kind of a big heart, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:34</time>
<p>When she, when she isn't drinking and when she is sober enough to,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:37</time>
<p>to do things, she is out there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:38</time>
<p>They're helping.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:38</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:39</time>
<p>And he kind of does the same thing, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:41</time>
<p>He's a lawman.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:41</time>
<p>He's a marshal.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:42</time>
<p>He's out there trying to enforce the law.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:44</time>
<p>So they both have that spirit about them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:46</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:47</time>
<p>Charity heart.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:47</time>
<p>They have that charity heart.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:48</time>
<p>Now I did read for him, his kind of habit, especially as</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:53</time>
<p>a lawman was incredibly rough.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:55</time>
<p>He kind of sought out.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:56</time>
<p>The trouble, you know, and would go, you know, from zero</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:59</time>
<p>to fighting very, very quickly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:01</time>
<p>And that's just kind of how he did his business.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:04</time>
<p>And even when I was looking up, there's been various movies made about Wild</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:08</time>
<p>Bill Hickok and Deadwood and different versions that there's a TV show.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:12</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:12</time>
<p>The, the couple versions that I saw, I think it was, is a relatively</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:16</time>
<p>well known actor that did one of the movies or something like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:19</time>
<p>But he just, he, like somebody, somebody says something to him like off one time</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:24</time>
<p>or he's in Deadwood or he's in some town and someone's not supposed to have</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:27</time>
<p>guns and he finds out he has a gun.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:29</time>
<p>He doesn't even like talk to the guy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:29</time>
<p>He just goes up and punches him in the face and drags him away.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:32</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:32</time>
<p>So that was kind of his</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:33</time>
<p>reputation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:34</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:34</time>
<p>It's very lawless.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:35</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:36</time>
<p>And so it is very much this, uh, violent, physical.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:41</time>
<p>Time and you get all these men in Deadwood and it becomes like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:46</time>
<p>you're governed by yourself, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:48</time>
<p>Right,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:49</time>
<p>and and that's kind of why I think that's kind of why he had this mystique</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:53</time>
<p>about him because he was a lawman He had that reputation and actually again when</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:59</time>
<p>I was making the video I read that he had earned this reputation early as a marshal</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:06</time>
<p>because he was I guess supposedly One of the first ones to kind of have this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:11</time>
<p>quick, quick draw shootout, you know, like standing in the middle of the street,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:15</time>
<p>just like get it done, like a quick draw.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:17</time>
<p>Like he was one of the first supposedly, um, to, to do</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:20</time>
<p>that and to kind of have that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:23</time>
<p>You know, established a, you know, sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:24</time>
<p>Around, around him and his, his reputation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:29</time>
<p>One more.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:30</time>
<p>I gotta look pretty when I'm down.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:34</time>
<p>I'm a dead, I'm a dead, I'm a dead man.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:42</time>
<p>So he's in Deadwood.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:44</time>
<p>We've established, he gets married in March of 1876, and Cheyenne</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:48</time>
<p>makes it to Laramie about June.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:51</time>
<p>It takes the wagon train up to Deadward from Laramie, Wyoming</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:56</time>
<p>to Deadward, South Dakota.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:59</time>
<p>And he gets there about July.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:01</time>
<p>So again, not very long time because August 1st is when all these things</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:07</time>
<p>will start to happen for Hickok.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:10</time>
<p>So it's August 1st, 1876, where he's at saloon 10.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:15</time>
<p>Now In the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:18</time>
<p>And if you visit Deadwood, this, there's a little discrepancy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:24</time>
<p>So the location of saloon 10.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:27</time>
<p>is still there, but it's not saloon 10 anymore, but the actual location where</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:33</time>
<p>Hickok was playing cards is there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
<p>Now, saloon 10 had burned at one point and the owners had moved the location across</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:42</time>
<p>the street and further down, but still kept a lot of the furniture and the chair.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:47</time>
<p>And the the decorum from the decorations and stuff from</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:52</time>
<p>what the saloon looked like.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:53</time>
<p>So you can go to the saloon 10, which is not the location and see the chair</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:59</time>
<p>where Hickok was murdered and you can see what the what What would it look like?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:05</time>
<p>What the saloon would it look like?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:06</time>
<p>And then you can go further down the street to the actual location.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:09</time>
<p>And I think the name of that place was like Wild Bill</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:11</time>
<p>Bar or something like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:12</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:13</time>
<p>So that's the difference between the two.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:15</time>
<p>But so what's happening is August 1st, he's playing poker in saloon 10.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:20</time>
<p>Poker was his game.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:21</time>
<p>And he's the seat opens up and a Jack McCall sits to play poker with him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:27</time>
<p>And during the session, McCall loses.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:31</time>
<p>A lot, and Hickok encourages him to quit, quit now, try to go make some</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:37</time>
<p>money to pay us what you owe us.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:41</time>
<p>And he gives him money for breakfast the next morning because he's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:44</time>
<p>basically used all his money.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:45</time>
<p>And people claim, or historians claim, that insulted McCall.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:50</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:51</time>
<p>So he was insulted by him giving him basically, you know, um, Charity money.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:56</time>
<p>Charity money.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
<p>And so the next day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:00</time>
<p>Same location.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:02</time>
<p>So August 2nd, Hickok walks into the same saloon to play poker and the only</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:08</time>
<p>seat open has its back to the door.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:10</time>
<p>And Hickok being, being a lawman doesn't want to sit with his back to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:14</time>
<p>the door, but he wants to play poker.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:15</time>
<p>It's his game.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:17</time>
<p>So he sits there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:17</time>
<p>He actually asks a couple of guys he's playing poker with if</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:20</time>
<p>they would change seats with him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:21</time>
<p>But if you know anything about poker, it's bad luck to change your seat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:25</time>
<p>So they refuse.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:26</time>
<p>So he's playing and, um, That's when McCall will walk into the bar and shout</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:33</time>
<p>something at him and just shoot him point blank range right against the head.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:37</time>
<p>And he kills him instantly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:50</time>
<p>And the bullet actually goes through Hickok's head into the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:54</time>
<p>gentleman he's playing poker with.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:55</time>
<p>Yeah, that's right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:56</time>
<p>Into his arm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:56</time>
<p>And that gentleman will keep the bullet in his arm for the rest of his life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:00</time>
<p>Holy cow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:00</time>
<p>And he's a, um, he's like a captain of a steamboat, of the paddle boats.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:07</time>
<p>And he would walk into bars saying.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:09</time>
<p>Uh, here comes the bullet that killed, uh, Bill Hickok.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:13</time>
<p>Of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:13</time>
<p>course, yeah, if you're a ship captain of like a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:15</time>
<p>riverboat or something like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:16</time>
<p>You're like, here's my</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:17</time>
<p>story.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:17</time>
<p>Yeah, here comes the bullet.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:19</time>
<p>So, McCall knows, knows he's done something bad, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:23</time>
<p>And, uh, and of course, the dead man's hand.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:26</time>
<p>So, Hickok in his hand is holding aces and eights.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:29</time>
<p>Black aces and eights.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:31</time>
<p>And they don't know what the whole card is.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:33</time>
<p>That's what the fifth card is.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:34</time>
<p>And there's speculation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:35</time>
<p>You'll see some places have the nine of diamonds.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:38</time>
<p>But that's no one really sure what the fifth card is, but that's the hand he has</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:42</time>
<p>when he's killed So it's called the dead man's hand and we show it in the video and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:46</time>
<p>sometimes when you go to his grave people have left So McCall runs out of the saloon</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:54</time>
<p>and tries to jump on a horse and we talked about this that most horses if you're</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:58</time>
<p>Tying up your horse to go in somewhere.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:00</time>
<p>You're gonna loosen the saddle Because you're not going to cinch a saddle</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:04</time>
<p>on a horse and for it to rest so when he jumps on the horse saddle It just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:08</time>
<p>falls right off and then he runs down the street to the butcher shop and we</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:12</time>
<p>we show that there's a and he Hides in the cooler basically there and they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:16</time>
<p>find him They pull him out of there and they actually do the trial in the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:20</time>
<p>same place where Hickok is Yeah, I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:23</time>
<p>was kind of surprised with such a lawless place, you know, I assume there</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:27</time>
<p>must have been other lawmen, you know, in the, in the city or something like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:30</time>
<p>He probably wasn't, he probably wasn't the only one.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:32</time>
<p>You don't really</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:33</time>
<p>know.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:33</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:33</time>
<p>Well, they don't really, I mean, it's an informal minors jury.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:37</time>
<p>They get the minors, the guys who are there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:40</time>
<p>to stand a jury.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:41</time>
<p>So, and it can't really be a trial because it's not really a territory.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:45</time>
<p>Yes, it's lawless.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:46</time>
<p>It's lawless.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:46</time>
<p>It's, it's, um, it's Indian land.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:48</time>
<p>It's a reservation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:49</time>
<p>It's not, it belongs to the American Indian.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:52</time>
<p>So it's not, it can't be governed basically.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:56</time>
<p>So you can't really hold a trial, but they do.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:59</time>
<p>And McCall claims that When Hickok was a Marshall in Abilene, Kansas Again, I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:08</time>
<p>told you that name would come up that Hickok killed his brother Now there is</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:13</time>
<p>a record of a McCall being killed in Abilene, Kansas by a lawman Oh, really?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:18</time>
<p>They don't claim that it's Hickok.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:20</time>
<p>It just says a lawman that the records aren't that clear But there is a McCall</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:24</time>
<p>that is killed earlier by a lawman.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:28</time>
<p>And there's not even clear if that's his brother, but the name matches up.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:32</time>
<p>Now, now they, they didn't know this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:34</time>
<p>The minors hear this story and the minors are very much, again, this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:39</time>
<p>lawlessness of the West where you govern yourself and you're very much</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:42</time>
<p>eye for an eye type of mentality.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:46</time>
<p>So they let him off, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:48</time>
<p>You think about someone who killed your brother, they deserve to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:52</time>
<p>to whatever they get from you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:55</time>
<p>And so the miners are like, Oh yeah, you're totally validated and what you did.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:59</time>
<p>You're free to go.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:01</time>
<p>But McCall gets out of town relatively quickly because people</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:03</time>
<p>are upset because people like Hickok, including Charlie, Charlie utter.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:07</time>
<p>And Charlie utter is the gentleman who they'll bury Hickok the very next day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:12</time>
<p>He's not buried at Fort at Mount Moriah cemetery where we visited his grave today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:18</time>
<p>He's He's buried at a closer cemetery to the location of Main Street, but</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:22</time>
<p>as the city grows, they move them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:25</time>
<p>They move the cemetery about three years later in 1879 and on the day of his death.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:32</time>
<p>But Charlie utter will cut that original tombstone and it'll say,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:36</time>
<p>it says almost looks like clutter.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:38</time>
<p>CH.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:39</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:40</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:40</time>
<p>Shutter.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:41</time>
<p>Um, but.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:42</time>
<p>Um, he also invites everyone back to his camp for the funeral.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:47</time>
<p>And it's almost like everybody from the town shows up.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:49</time>
<p>Because again, Wagon Train, he has a camp that he's established.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:52</time>
<p>And so everyone comes there and he considered him a friend.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:56</time>
<p>And so he's the one who will pay for the funeral and then pay for the tombstone.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:00</time>
<p>And McCall gets out of the area where he ends up back around Fort Laramie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:04</time>
<p>And he's running his mouth that he killed a U.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:07</time>
<p>S.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:08</time>
<p>Marshal.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:08</time>
<p>He killed Bill Hickok and An actual U.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:13</time>
<p>S.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:13</time>
<p>Marshal is listening to him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:16</time>
<p>And again, you have this loyalty of even with the lawlessness, you have this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:20</time>
<p>loyalty between marshals that we know how difficult this job is for us to do.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:24</time>
<p>And here you are running around that you killed one of the most famous U.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:27</time>
<p>S.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:27</time>
<p>Marshals.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:28</time>
<p>So he takes them to Dakota territory, a place that's actually</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:32</time>
<p>run by the federal government.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:33</time>
<p>It's Yankton, Dakota territory, and he puts them on trial.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:38</time>
<p>So it doesn't really.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:39</time>
<p>Hit that double jeopardy since the first trial wasn't an actual trial and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:45</time>
<p>a Hickok's brother comes to town to hear the testimony and he's found guilty</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:51</time>
<p>and he's hanged the very next day after he's found guilty on March 1st, 1877.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:57</time>
<p>It's so funny to me that, you know, if you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:59</time>
<p>You almost couldn't script a story like this, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:03</time>
<p>And for us, you know, in the American culture, you know, this, this story is</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:07</time>
<p>part of kind of that wild west Story that we learned growing up and everything like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:11</time>
<p>that and you you almost again You couldn't script a more predictable bad guy, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:17</time>
<p>someone who just kind of gets away with murder literally and then is</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:20</time>
<p>off running his mouth like they write that into movies all the time Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:24</time>
<p>And they do that because people actually do that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:26</time>
<p>And then, you know, this guy wasn't the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:28</time>
<p>most intelligent person.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:29</time>
<p>Obviously, if he would have just kept his mouth shut, he probably could have lived</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:32</time>
<p>a very long life and gotten away with it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:34</time>
<p>But he obviously was not the smart guy, especially to be</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:38</time>
<p>losing at poker so, um, so badly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:45</time>
<p>We visit Hickock's grave.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:47</time>
<p>Right beside him is Calamity Jane.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:48</time>
<p>She'll die in 1903.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:50</time>
<p>Her dying wish is to be buried next to Wild Bill, because I think they had this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:54</time>
<p>close friendship and kinship, and, um, she really thinks fondly of Deadwood.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:00</time>
<p>And then right about two graves over from her is a very famous,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:05</time>
<p>uh, madam named Dora Dufresne.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:08</time>
<p>And Dora Dufresne runs the most profitable brothel in Deadwood.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:13</time>
<p>It is, I think I saw, this was one thing that...</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:16</time>
<p>I didn't notice the first couple times when I was editing the video</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:19</time>
<p>and then finally I was looking at some of the signs right then and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:23</time>
<p>they have in Deadwood on that Main Street where you're kind of walking</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:25</time>
<p>up and down doing most of the filming.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:27</time>
<p>They have signs and basically they're not quite historical markers, but</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:30</time>
<p>they're like the classic kind of wooden hanging sign hanging from outside.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:35</time>
<p>historic locations.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:36</time>
<p>So one, one wooden sign says this is the actual location where Wild Bill Hickok</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:40</time>
<p>was was killed on August 2nd, 1876.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:44</time>
<p>You know, here's the spot where Jack McCall was captured.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:47</time>
<p>And then they actually have another sign talking about one of the brothels.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:50</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:51</time>
<p>And but it said on there that it wasn't closed by.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:54</time>
<p>It wasn't closed until 1980 by the FBI.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:59</time>
<p>1980.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:01</time>
<p>That just I was so Caught off guard by that, that that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:05</time>
<p>was around doing their thing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:14</time>
<p>Well, I feel like, so again, we talk about all these men coming into town</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:18</time>
<p>and these women come to service the men.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:20</time>
<p>And if the men are the ones who are.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:24</time>
<p>the law, but they're also partaking of a brothel, then they're going to turn</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:29</time>
<p>a blind eye to it for a very long time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:32</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:32</time>
<p>I,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:33</time>
<p>I just, there was just a funny aside that just really surprised me.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:37</time>
<p>And I don't think most people would notice it if they're watching the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:40</time>
<p>But if you look in the video, you can see that it was, it</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:43</time>
<p>just says, closed 80, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:46</time>
<p>By the FBI.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:48</time>
<p>Um, which was, Just, I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:49</time>
<p>thought it was hilarious.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:50</time>
<p>Well, Dufresne is also credited with the term cat house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:54</time>
<p>Oh really?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:55</time>
<p>So she had a bunch of cats brought in on a wagon train because the women who</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:01</time>
<p>worked in her brothel were getting scared of the rats and they were getting very</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:06</time>
<p>upset and so they wouldn't do their job.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:09</time>
<p>And so she brought in cats to get the rats.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:12</time>
<p>And so the men knew the cat house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:16</time>
<p>They wanted to go visit the cat house that had like 12, 15 cats there who</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:20</time>
<p>were taking care of all the rats.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:21</time>
<p>And that's where you get the term cat house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:23</time>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:23</time>
<p>I do.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:24</time>
<p>I don't think I knew that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:25</time>
<p>I don't think I had that in the video either.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:27</time>
<p>So it's a little podcast special for our listeners.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:29</time>
<p>And it makes sense.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:30</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:45</time>
<p>So</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:50</time>
<p>if you're wondering more about Deadwood, in 1877, you know, the U.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:54</time>
<p>S.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:54</time>
<p>government tries to like, uh, what can we do to kind of capitalize on</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:59</time>
<p>this gold that's being found here?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:01</time>
<p>And they kind of modify the treaty of Fort Laramie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:07</time>
<p>And that the Lakotas never adhere to it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:10</time>
<p>And even today, they brought a trial against the US government in 18, in 1980.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:16</time>
<p>And they cited the original treaty saying that this is our land, and you took it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:21</time>
<p>And so the US government tried to pay them a billion dollars for it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:25</time>
<p>And the Lakotas won't take it because they want the land.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:29</time>
<p>That money sits in a savings account today for the Lakota people, which they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:35</time>
<p>refuse to touch it because that land belongs to them and they want the land.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:40</time>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:40</time>
<p>And now so many people live there, like we even visited there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:44</time>
<p>And it is part of, you know, it's adhered to by a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:48</time>
<p>state.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:48</time>
<p>Well, and if, and if you're listening, right, so the Black Hills area.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:53</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:53</time>
<p>If you're, if you're not familiar with the South Dakota area, and I wasn't</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:56</time>
<p>really until we spent some time, we spent a few days there with, you know, for a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:59</time>
<p>little, we had a little family reunion, but that's right near Mount Rushmore.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:03</time>
<p>That's crazy horse, which we'll talk about in future, in upcoming episodes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:07</time>
<p>So there's a whole lot in that area and it's gorgeous.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:10</time>
<p>It's a beautiful area.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:11</time>
<p>It's,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:12</time>
<p>it's absolutely beautiful.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:13</time>
<p>And you can see why they want the land.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:16</time>
<p>And I.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:16</time>
<p>I.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:16</time>
<p>Think there could be some compromise being that the land belongs</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:20</time>
<p>because you can still visit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:21</time>
<p>Bighorn is on a Indian reservation, Badlands is on an Indian reservation</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:26</time>
<p>and they still use it, you know, for people to visit and they can still</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:30</time>
<p>make a profit off of still keeping this, you know, this land, um,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:34</time>
<p>protected for their use of their tribe.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:37</time>
<p>So I think there could be something you could adhere to, but, um, what happens</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:41</time>
<p>in 1879, and this is the big fire in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:45</time>
<p>Deadwood.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:46</time>
<p>And most people have not made huge fortunes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:49</time>
<p>They've been there for like four years by then.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:53</time>
<p>And so most people leave.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:54</time>
<p>And the people who stay are people who are established in the town.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:58</time>
<p>And it has, even today, there's a couple thousand people who live there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:04</time>
<p>And, um, and it's still, I think it's the tourism is really what</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:09</time>
<p>drives the town, but it never is going to hit that big heyday.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:14</time>
<p>that it had there in the 1870s.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:17</time>
<p>But it was a very cool place to visit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:19</time>
<p>And, uh, Hickok is the story there, if you go there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:23</time>
<p>So you definitely want to go down Main Street.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:25</time>
<p>It's the historic Main Street.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:27</time>
<p>And you definitely want to go to Mount Moriah Cemetery.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:29</time>
<p>Yeah, and they have, they have tour buses that'll take you up to the cemetery</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:33</time>
<p>because it's up a very steep hill.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:35</time>
<p>That is not one you're going to walk from Main Street up to the cemetery.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:38</time>
<p>They'll try to tell you you can walk.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:41</time>
<p>Don't</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:41</time>
<p>do it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:41</time>
<p>Don't do it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:42</time>
<p>I mean, it's steep even sitting in a car.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:44</time>
<p>Um, so, but yeah, it was an absolute blast.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:47</time>
<p>It's a gorgeous area.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:48</time>
<p>It really did get, for me, kind of to that inner child, you know, just kind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:53</time>
<p>of little bit of excitement there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:55</time>
<p>And we had our whole family with us.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:57</time>
<p>We had our family, they were kind of watching us film because, you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:59</time>
<p>know, that was kind of just a topic.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:01</time>
<p>So they were enjoying that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:03</time>
<p>And as we look back at, you know, while Bill Hickok's life has been romanticized</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:07</time>
<p>and immortalized in various books, Movies, legends, and even this podcast,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:15</time>
<p>he remains an enduring symbol of the American Wild West and is remembered</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:19</time>
<p>for his remarkable marksmanship, daring adventures, and a tragic end</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:23</time>
<p>that befell many legendary figures.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:26</time>
<p>of the era.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:28</time>
<p>So thank you so much for listening to the Talk With History podcast.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:31</time>
<p>Please reach out to us over at talkwithhistory.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:33</time>
<p>com.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:34</time>
<p>More importantly, if you know someone else that might enjoy</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:36</time>
<p>this, share this with them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:37</time>
<p>If they're a Wild West fan, if they're, they're a cowboy fan,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:40</time>
<p>they're going to love this podcast.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:42</time>
<p>We have another podcast similar to this, where we talk about Buffalo Bill Cody.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:46</time>
<p>We have more like this coming up.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:48</time>
<p>We're going to be talking about Little Bighorn.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:49</time>
<p>So if you're listening to this in the future.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:52</time>
<p>We'll look those episodes up, because I'm sure you'll enjoy them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:55</time>
<p>We rely on you, our community, to grow, and we appreciate, we</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:58</time>
<p>appreciate you all every day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:00</time>
<p>We'll talk to you next time.</p>
<p></p>
<p></p>