B-29 bomber: the Historic aircraft of WWII

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<p>Quick thank you to the Pueblo Wise Broad Air Museum, John Hill,</p>
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<p>and everybody who brought us out.</p>
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<p>It really was a blast.</p>
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<p>If you guys are in the greater Colorado area, it's absolutely worth a trip.</p>
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<p>Please.</p>
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<p>You can go check it, check them out.</p>
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<p>Um, I'll put a link to the museum in the show notes.</p>
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<p>If you ever want to visit,</p>
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<p>this is it.</p>
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<p>This is the B29, the plane you've been waiting for.</p>
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<p>And it was worth waiting for.</p>
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<p>It's the biggest, fastest, mightiest heavy bomber in the world.</p>
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<p>It can travel farther and higher than anything else on wings.</p>
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<p>It has a pressurized cabin, permitting high altitude flight without oxygen masks.</p>
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<p>It has five remotely controlled, electrically driven turrets, each</p>
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<p>carrying twin 50s, with a 20mm cannon added to the turret in the tail.</p>
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<p>Yes, the B 29 is everything you've been promised.</p>
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<p>And the pilot who flies one has an enviable job.</p>
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<p>Important, glamorous, and tough.</p>
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<p>Welcome to Talk With History.</p>
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<p>I'm your host, Scott, here with my wife and historian, Jen.</p>
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<p>Hello.</p>
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<p>On this podcast, we give you insights into our history inspired world travels,</p>
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<p>Now, Jen, last episode, I did not tell a joke.</p>
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<p>Thank God.</p>
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<p>This being our road trip series, I have to, I have to</p>
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<p>keep telling the cheesy jokes.</p>
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<p>The dad jokes.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>Okay.</p>
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<p>So I'm going to ask you one for this particular episode theme.</p>
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<p>What sound does a rubber airplane make?</p>
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<p>What sound does a rubber airplane make?</p>
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<p>I</p>
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<p>don't know.</p>
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<p>Boeing.</p>
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<p>That's good.</p>
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<p>So if you are listening and that made you laugh or you made your eyes roll or</p>
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<p>you have a better joke, leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and tell that joke.</p>
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<p>And if it makes me laugh, which it probably will because</p>
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<p>I'm easy to entertain, I'll tell that one on the podcast.</p>
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<p>So help us out.</p>
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<p>Leave us a review and let's keep this thing going.</p>
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<p>The B 29 Bomber was a revolutionary long range heavy bomber that played</p>
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<p>a pivotal role in World War II.</p>
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<p>Introduced by the United States Army Air Forces in 1944, the B 29 was a</p>
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<p>technological marvel of its time, boasting advanced features such as pressurized</p>
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<p>cabins, remote controlled gun turrets, and a powerful four engine setup.</p>
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<p>The most notable contributions of this aircraft came through its</p>
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<p>deployment and use in the Pacific theater, eventually culminating in</p>
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<p>the first use of the atomic bomb.</p>
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<p>The legacy of this aircraft endures as a symbol of the United States</p>
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<p>determination and ingenuity during one of the most transformative periods</p>
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<p>in world history, and Jen got the opportunity to get an intimate look</p>
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<p>inside of one of these legendary aircraft.</p>
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<p>So Jen, let's talk about the B 29</p>
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<p>Superfortress.</p>
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<p>Yes, what an amazing aircraft.</p>
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<p>It's just beautiful.</p>
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<p>When you think about this aircraft, we just did our talk about</p>
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<p>Oppenheimer and how much they spend on the Manhattan Project.</p>
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<p>We did</p>
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<p>a live stream on our YouTube channel.</p>
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<p>And remember how</p>
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<p>much that was.</p>
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<p>Yeah, what, two or three billion?</p>
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<p>Yeah, it was like two billion.</p>
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<p>It took three billion dollars to, to design the B 29 bomber.</p>
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<p>That's crazy.</p>
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<p>It is the most expensive of the war.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>That they made, anything, even more than the bomb.</p>
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<p>And the reason why is because they needed an aircraft that</p>
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<p>could fly the Pacific, right?</p>
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<p>That's what, because they couldn't carry something so heavy off an</p>
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<p>aircraft carrier.</p>
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<p>Well, and also if I remember right, bombers at the time, they had some,</p>
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<p>but They had to either fly them off an aircraft carrier or it's like</p>
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<p>kind of island hop to get over there.</p>
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<p>And it just wasn't viable for long</p>
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<p>range.</p>
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<p>It's not.</p>
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<p>It wasn't.</p>
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<p>It wasn't viable for long range.</p>
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<p>So you couldn't carry something very heavy.</p>
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<p>Plus, it made you very vulnerable to the attack pilots.</p>
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<p>And so, um, the fighters.</p>
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<p>And so what was great about the super forges is it could fly 30, 000 feet.</p>
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<p>350 miles an hour, which the, the fighters couldn't get up that</p>
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<p>high and once they got up that high, they couldn't fly that fast.</p>
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<p>So it was an engineering marvel.</p>
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<p>And didn't they</p>
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<p>like basically say like, Hey, we need something that can</p>
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<p>fly this far and do these things.</p>
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<p>And they essentially built it in like two years.</p>
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<p>They did.</p>
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<p>So it</p>
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<p>really was, it was Charles Lindbergh who saw the need for an aircraft that</p>
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<p>could do this and actually had a good talk with one of our five stars, Arnold.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And threw a ton of money at it.</p>
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<p>And that's when, and you know, and they're coinciding the Manhattan Project.</p>
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<p>Sure.</p>
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<p>Because</p>
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<p>they don't know if one or the other, they're going down</p>
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<p>both roads.</p>
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<p>So you can't like make something.</p>
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<p>Without a way to deliver something right and you can't make a way to</p>
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<p>deliver something without having something to deliver right, right?</p>
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<p>So these are going on kind of simultaneously</p>
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<p>and they had other intent for the b29, right?</p>
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<p>I mean it was it was not just for the atomic bomb But it was</p>
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<p>also for other bombing raids and kind of striking deeper into yeah</p>
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<p>long range long range Bombing and it really it was really used on the Pacific</p>
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<p>theater because it really was to fly over that ocean Um because it couldn't</p>
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<p>get close up to, uh, you know, to Japan.</p>
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<p>But, uh, yeah, it was Boeing that actually, your joke is so, it's so</p>
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<p>apropos, uh, cause it was Boeing that designed the B 29 bomber.</p>
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<p>And of course, like anything else with government contracting, people came</p>
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<p>with their plans and it was Boeing that had put forth the best design.</p>
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<p>And so you got this huge aircraft, like you said, with like 140 feet wingspan.</p>
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<p>141 feet longer than the.</p>
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<p>first flight</p>
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<p>by the Wright brothers.</p>
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<p>So when we're standing in the hangar there, it at the Pueblo Air Museum,</p>
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<p>and you see this huge wingspan of this aircraft, it is remarkable how</p>
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<p>big, and it has the two, two engines on each side, and it's a prop plane.</p>
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<p>So these are propellers that are spinning.</p>
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<p>It just really is a marvel, an engineering marvel to look at it.</p>
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<p>Well,</p>
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<p>and it was neat too.</p>
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<p>And we'll talk a little bit about kind of where we were</p>
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<p>visiting when we were in Pueblo.</p>
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<p>Um, but it was neat too because once you get up close to one of these aircraft,</p>
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<p>and if you ever have the opportunity, Pueblo, Colorado, Fantastic Air Museum,</p>
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<p>we'll talk a little bit more about it, to get up close to one of these</p>
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<p>aircraft to see how big these things are.</p>
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<p>Now, obviously, the insides were pretty crowded.</p>
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<p>They didn't have the small technology that we had today, but then seeing</p>
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<p>footage, and I show some of it in, in our video that I'll link in the</p>
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<p>show notes, seeing footage of dozens, of these aircraft just lining up</p>
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<p>getting ready to go down the runway.</p>
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<p>I mean, and so these maps, I mean, it really kind of helps put more of that</p>
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<p>World War II industrial effort into scale.</p>
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<p>Exactly.</p>
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<p>Seeing</p>
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<p>that.</p>
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<p>So from 1944 to 1960, that's the lifetime of the B 29.</p>
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<p>They basically made a little less than 4, 000 of them.</p>
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<p>So about 3970 are rolled off the, um, the line.</p>
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<p>Um, and like you said, pressurized cabin, which was rare.</p>
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<p>There weren't any aircraft at the time with pressurized cabins,</p>
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<p>the whole length of the aircraft.</p>
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<p>So that means everybody, the crew didn't have to wear oxygen masks</p>
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<p>because above 10, 000 feet, you have to wear supplemental oxygen.</p>
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<p>So this allowed you to have, you know, frame of mind and keep</p>
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<p>your wits about you long mission.</p>
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<p>Right 14 hour flight without a without a mask on and you got one gunner to</p>
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<p>control the four turrets Which is also rare And so it really was like they were</p>
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<p>putting these things together that was really going to make this an efficient</p>
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<p>Aircraft for what they needed it.</p>
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<p>But like you said There's only two aircraft B 29s that fly today, and</p>
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<p>you might see pictures of them online.</p>
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<p>It's the Fifi and the Dock.</p>
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<p>Yeah, I show footage of the Fifi in our video.</p>
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<p>And they still fly, but then there's 22 static aircraft.</p>
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<p>And the two most famous ones, um, and of course we're, we're right in August.</p>
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<p>So we have Hiroshima, the Enola Gay.</p>
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<p>We, who dropped the, the bomb, little boy, um, the Enola Gay was</p>
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<p>named after the pilot's mother.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:31</time>
<p>And so Enola Gay is where the name comes from.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:33</time>
<p>And then you have Boxcar, who dropped the bomb in, in, in Nakasaki, um,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:38</time>
<p>Fat Man was the name of that bomb.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:41</time>
<p>And Boxcar is the captain of that plane named, last name</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:45</time>
<p>was Box.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:46</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:46</time>
<p>And little known.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:47</time>
<p>Well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:48</time>
<p>Maybe that's not so little known, but I didn't know this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:50</time>
<p>It's not B O X, it's B O C K S, so box.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:54</time>
<p>Like that's, that's the last person's last name.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:56</time>
<p>Like chicken bock or chicken pock.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:58</time>
<p>Yeah, yeah, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>Chicken</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>bock.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>So if you're listening and you didn't know that and you always</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:01</time>
<p>thought it was actually B O X C A R.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:03</time>
<p>No, that's, that's not actually correct.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:05</time>
<p>Yeah, it's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:05</time>
<p>CK.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:06</time>
<p>Um, so those, the Enola Gay Smithsonian, uh, boxcar is at the, uh, Air Force Museum</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:15</time>
<p>in Dayton, Ohio, birthplace of aviation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:17</time>
<p>And then you have the other 20.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:19</time>
<p>spread out across America.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:21</time>
<p>And we got to see one and we got a personal tour of one.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:23</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:24</time>
<p>And so just to kind of tell how this opportunity for us came about.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:28</time>
<p>So we actually had someone reach out to us, I believe is one of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:31</time>
<p>our Arlington videos, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:33</time>
<p>They, they commented and they reached out, they shot us an email.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:36</time>
<p>And so it was John Hill, um, who kind of did a lot of the coordinating.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:39</time>
<p>He's a great guy, um, and reached out to us probably six to nine</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:43</time>
<p>months before we ever got.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:45</time>
<p>To come out.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:46</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:46</time>
<p>Cause it's Colorado.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:47</time>
<p>It's Pueblo, Colorado.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:48</time>
<p>So it's, uh, it's difficult for us in Virginia to make it out to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:53</time>
<p>Colorado, but it coincided with</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:55</time>
<p>our road trip.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:55</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:56</time>
<p>So it ended up working out coinciding with our road trip and we had</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:59</time>
<p>kind of shifted some plans around.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:01</time>
<p>We were able to make this work.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:02</time>
<p>It actually lined up really well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:04</time>
<p>And so.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:05</time>
<p>This was exciting for us because it was one of the goals that I've kind of had</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:09</time>
<p>that's on the download I don't talk about too much for the channel is for museums</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:14</time>
<p>like this to reach out to us and say hey We would like you to come and make a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:18</time>
<p>video at our museum to help promote the museum and eventually for that kind of to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:23</time>
<p>be one of our Potential kind of business avenues right for us to help promote</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:29</time>
<p>museums and we've just kind of done it for free up to this point And this was kind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:32</time>
<p>of like the first Sort of sponsorship.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:35</time>
<p>They didn't really directly pay us money or anything like that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:38</time>
<p>But they did offer us, you know us you and I the walk with history a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:41</time>
<p>lifetime membership and that lifetime</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:42</time>
<p>membership Enabled us to get the hands on tour of the b29, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:47</time>
<p>It allowed us for the hands on tour inside Because there's certain</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:52</time>
<p>criteria for some of the other aircraft and we haven't made those videos</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:55</time>
<p>yet and they'll be coming out soon I mean you got to sit in an f 15 and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:59</time>
<p>what's the other aircraft you sat in?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:02</time>
<p>Was it an F 16?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:03</time>
<p>There was two that you sat in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:04</time>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:04</time>
<p>I think it was an F 15 and an F 16.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:07</time>
<p>Both of them are Air</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:08</time>
<p>Force.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:08</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:09</time>
<p>But part of that is that they can't just let the public sit in these things.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:13</time>
<p>So if you go to Pueblo, the Pueblo Air Museum, right, it's about an hour and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:17</time>
<p>a half to two hours south of Denver.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:19</time>
<p>Um, You actually, if you buy a lifetime membership, those people</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:24</time>
<p>there are, are allowed to let these members on occasion sit inside of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:28</time>
<p>some of these aircraft and do what the public is not authorized to do.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:32</time>
<p>And so they, they've, they've worked on this and this, it's been</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:34</time>
<p>around for a couple of decades.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:35</time>
<p>It's a phenomenal museum, very kid friendly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:39</time>
<p>Very good.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:40</time>
<p>If you were out in the Denver area, I highly recommend making a trip out</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:45</time>
<p>there if you're a fan of aviation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:47</time>
<p>Or even if you just want to take your kids to something, that whole</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:49</time>
<p>kids area, I didn't get to, I haven't showed it in the video yet.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:52</time>
<p>That's coming up in future videos.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:54</time>
<p>But it was, it was just amazing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:56</time>
<p>But we'll talk a little bit more about the B29.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:58</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:59</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:00</time>
<p>A very, a stem for kids.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:02</time>
<p>That's what I really appreciated about it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:03</time>
<p>The Pueblo Weisbrod Aircraft Museum and it's a non profit and Fred</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:08</time>
<p>Weisbrod was the former city manager of Pueblo and it's two hangars.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:13</time>
<p>They have 40 military and civilian aircraft.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:15</time>
<p>It's all done by volunteers and they're, they do restoration.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:18</time>
<p>And one of the planes they're restoring is the B 29, um, Superfortress.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:24</time>
<p>It's the Peachy and the captain, Robert.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:29</time>
<p>Haver was from Pueblo, Colorado.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:32</time>
<p>Mr.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:32</time>
<p>Weisbaugh, he's the one who made sure to save that aircraft because it was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:37</time>
<p>going to go to be kind of like a static target for target train for, for, for</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:43</time>
<p>pilots to practice target training.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:45</time>
<p>And he saved it because the pilot of that aircraft was from that city</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:50</time>
<p>and they were able to get it back there and get it in the hangar.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:53</time>
<p>And that's so neat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:55</time>
<p>It's connection to the town.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:57</time>
<p>Yeah, yeah, and it was and I believe there was like, you know,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:01</time>
<p>if you go back and watch the video I don't remember if everything kind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:06</time>
<p>of made the my my editor's cut But there was sections of it that he saved</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:10</time>
<p>and then other sections they were able to get from other other places.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:14</time>
<p>So, um You know, the, this aircraft, you know, as John Hill said,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:19</time>
<p>it's not a, not a combat veteran.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:21</time>
<p>It didn't actually fly in combat or anything like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:23</time>
<p>Well,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:23</time>
<p>it was shot down over</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:24</time>
<p>Tokyo.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:25</time>
<p>This, the one sitting in the museum.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:26</time>
<p>Oh, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:27</time>
<p>The original Peachy aircraft was shot down.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:29</time>
<p>Yes,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:30</time>
<p>the original Peachy aircraft was shot down over Tokyo in May of 1945.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
<p>It's 35th trip over</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:36</time>
<p>Japan.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:37</time>
<p>Yeah, and, and I encourage you to go watch the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:40</time>
<p>One, it's actually doing quite well for us.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:42</time>
<p>I think it's going to be a popular video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:44</time>
<p>Um, but, but two, it's the nose art is classic world war two nose art.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:50</time>
<p>So</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:50</time>
<p>peachy is the younger sister of the pilot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:54</time>
<p>So the pilot from Pueblo.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:56</time>
<p>Um, Robert Haver, it's his younger sister, her name, her nickname was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:01</time>
<p>Peachy, and she wears this little leather skirt and a little leather vest and a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:07</time>
<p>cowboy hat and really not nothing else.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:11</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:11</time>
<p>It's, it's, it's like think Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, but.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:16</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:16</time>
<p>And they painted her on the side of the aircraft.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:19</time>
<p>And they actually have the outfit that she wore for the,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:21</time>
<p>for modeling it there as well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:24</time>
<p>Um, but it's really neat, uh, that that's, it's so, I always find it so</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:29</time>
<p>neat how aircraft are named by the crew.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:32</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:32</time>
<p>And something special to them, something that has meaning to them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:36</time>
<p>You know, when you think of the Memphis Belle, right, that was the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:39</time>
<p>girlfriend of the pilot, like it's just something that really ties them</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:43</time>
<p>to home and something that really makes them smile and, you know, kind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:48</time>
<p>of cheers them up and it's for morale.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:50</time>
<p>So that's why I really, I love nose art and I really loved this nose art.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:55</time>
<p>But, um.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:56</time>
<p>Yeah, it has the original serial number, so you can always look it up.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:00</time>
<p>It's 44 62022.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:03</time>
<p>Yeah, it was recovered in 1972, which is, it's really neat that this uh, aircraft</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:09</time>
<p>is, is there at the Pueblo Museum.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:12</time>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:12</time>
<p>and just to kind of paint the picture for those listening, if</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:15</time>
<p>you haven't seen the video yet, you know, the, this B 29 is just kind of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:19</time>
<p>looming inside of their first hangar.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:21</time>
<p>So there's the first hangar that you can walk all the way through the museum.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:24</time>
<p>You can actually walk outside.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:25</time>
<p>They have a bunch of aircraft outside.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:27</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:28</time>
<p>And then they've got a separate hangar with some of the more modern aircraft.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:32</time>
<p>Now, where the B 29 was, they've got a bunch of World War II kind of memorabilia</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:38</time>
<p>and historical artifacts all the way from, and again, this is in upcoming</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:42</time>
<p>videos, but from flight jackets to, you know, propaganda posters to, you know,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:49</time>
<p>different kinds of communication areas.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:51</time>
<p>And so you can go all through and get a feel for what that era was really like.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:56</time>
<p>Even though the public can't crawl kind of in as, as much as you got to do.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:01</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:02</time>
<p>Inside of the B</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:03</time>
<p>29.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:03</time>
<p>So I got to see what it's really like to be in the crew of a B</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:07</time>
<p>and you sat in the bombardier seat, like picture.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:09</time>
<p>Picture the kind of plexiglass front nose that's has clear mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:14</time>
<p>right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:14</time>
<p>If you've watched Star Wars is kind of that kind of hexagonal windows.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:19</time>
<p>Totally.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:20</time>
<p>An influence.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:20</time>
<p>And your city, you got to sit right up front.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:23</time>
<p>And the nose of that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:24</time>
<p>aircraft.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:24</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:25</time>
<p>So, and I got to sit, it's a basically like a, a flip seat where you kind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:29</time>
<p>of stand on the seat, then you flip the backup and you sit down and right</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:33</time>
<p>in front of you is the instrument that the bombardier is using.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:36</time>
<p>Uh, it looks like it's calibrated and it has all these different, um, dials</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:40</time>
<p>on there for different, the compass.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:41</time>
<p>settings and for you to make sure you're dialed into where you're, you're bombing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:45</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:46</time>
<p>And so, and you can have a little, I look through space, but that little area where</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:51</time>
<p>the bombardier sitting and then right behind the bombardier, you got the pilot</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:54</time>
<p>and the co pilot, and then you have a navigator and a radar man who's all kind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:59</time>
<p>of sitting in that same general area.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:01</time>
<p>But this is, this is where you are for your 14 hour flight.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:05</time>
<p>And really when you, when you think about it for like, To get a bomb on target, to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:11</time>
<p>get one thing on target, and you really have to, you're the guy, when you think</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:15</time>
<p>about it, like the pilot flies you there, but you're the guy who has to drop it,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:19</time>
<p>and it has to be perfect, and you have to think of everything, you know, you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:22</time>
<p>have to think of trajectory, and wind, and doing all the math, all the math,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:25</time>
<p>so, it really was a neat experience to sit there, and to be there, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:30</time>
<p>to kind of feel, you know, What that must have felt like for that person.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:34</time>
<p>Yeah, now</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:35</time>
<p>it wasn't John who, our initial kind of docent, who was showing us around,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:39</time>
<p>but he kind of gave us the outside tour and told us about the pilots and the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:42</time>
<p>crew and Peachy and all that stuff.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:44</time>
<p>But it was another gentleman named Dick who brought us into, inside the aircraft.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:49</time>
<p>Um, and you really got, spent more time inside and I was wrangling kids</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:52</time>
<p>and kind of taking shots from outside.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:54</time>
<p>So</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:54</time>
<p>Dick was, Dick has been the one who's been restoring the aircraft</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:57</time>
<p>and I asked him what Brought you to Pueblo, Colorado and he said the B 29.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:03</time>
<p>Yeah, and I thought that was amazing that he said he came there To restore that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:09</time>
<p>aircraft like that's how much people love these aircraft and there's so few of them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:14</time>
<p>And so he's slowly building this aircraft back To its original original</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:22</time>
<p>looks and Original parts and he found pieces on eBay and he's been</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:26</time>
<p>fixing them He's found pieces you guys you even spent one point and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:30</time>
<p>I didn't it didn't really the audio the conversation didn't make The video cut</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:36</time>
<p>but there's one at one point in time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:38</time>
<p>I'm showing you all these dials right where I think it's either the navigator</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:42</time>
<p>might have sat or one of the flight engineers sure and There's all these dials</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:46</time>
<p>with all these labels and all the stuff and he's recreated some of the labels.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:50</time>
<p>Some of the labels are still original, which is really cool.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:53</time>
<p>But even you, when you were talking to him, you couldn't tell the difference.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:56</time>
<p>He's doing a phenomenal job.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:57</time>
<p>And one of the places that he really, he spent a ton of time that we show right</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:01</time>
<p>in the very beginning of the video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:03</time>
<p>was the gunner's turret,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:04</time>
<p>the turret and kind of its little sight gauge and the way</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:08</time>
<p>it can move 360 on like a rail.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:10</time>
<p>He's he found that original piece and was able to clean it up and recreate it and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:17</time>
<p>make sure it fits and is workable in the B</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:20</time>
<p>29.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:20</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:20</time>
<p>So picture that clear bubble on top of the aircraft, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:24</time>
<p>That's where someone's actually looking through.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:27</time>
<p>that bubble at the enemy aircrafts around them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:30</time>
<p>And there was really, and he was talking about the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:32</time>
<p>barber's chair.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:33</time>
<p>So he sits.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:34</time>
<p>That person sits on a chair that also swivels 360.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:38</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:38</time>
<p>So it kind of, and they're higher up because they're sitting in that bubble.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:41</time>
<p>Their head is in that bubble.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:43</time>
<p>And then there's two gunners to either side of him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:46</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:46</time>
<p>With bubbles on each side of the aircraft.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:47</time>
<p>With bubbles on each side.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:48</time>
<p>And then of course, there's a tail gunner in the back.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:51</time>
<p>So you really, I mean this is a big crew.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:54</time>
<p>When you think about what's on a B 29, it's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:57</time>
<p>10, 11 people who are in tandem making this aircraft work, flying this aircraft.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:03</time>
<p>So it was just amazing for, to, to be there with him and for him to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:07</time>
<p>show me how all of it worked and then to climb around that thing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:10</time>
<p>Like it's a tunnel and, uh, and I said, how did people get through this tunnel?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:16</time>
<p>And he's like, well, they would put mattresses down and they would</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:19</time>
<p>slide on their flight jackets.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:20</time>
<p>But think of like, you know, young men who were just laid down and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:23</time>
<p>pull themselves through this tunnel.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:25</time>
<p>That's what I'm thinking.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:26</time>
<p>Oh my, does he expect me to, he did not expect me to do that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:29</time>
<p>Thank God.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:29</time>
<p>But like, it really is a physical demanding job and you just don't think</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:35</time>
<p>about how physical it is just to, for one flight, for one, you know, uh, mission</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:41</time>
<p>to be able to, to complete your mission.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:42</time>
<p>You have to, there's a lot you have to do and then you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:45</time>
<p>probably are on your guns for a.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:48</time>
<p>a significant part of your flight as well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:50</time>
<p>And again, just to be that alert and aware, it takes, it takes a lot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:55</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:55</time>
<p>And, and so we, I think we were talking, there was about four gunners, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:58</time>
<p>One on each side where the one, uh, probably lead gunner in the, in the,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:02</time>
<p>that bubble turret, the top bubble turret and the one in the back.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:05</time>
<p>And one of the cool things about this aircraft, we talk</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:07</time>
<p>about how technologically advanced it was at the time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:11</time>
<p>Think about this, the mid 1940s, the one.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:14</time>
<p>Uh, they designed this aircraft, the B 29, so that this one gunner in the turret</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:19</time>
<p>could actually control every single gun on, on the aircraft that, that turned.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:24</time>
<p>So he could essentially take control of all of them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:28</time>
<p>And I, then I imagined the others could take individual control at the same time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:32</time>
<p>So I thought about that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:33</time>
<p>I was like, that's actually pretty incredible.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:35</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:35</time>
<p>For, for that era.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:37</time>
<p>I mean, they made some serious technological advances and you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:40</time>
<p>mentioned on the live stream that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:41</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:42</time>
<p>You know, governments, and us in the United States specifically,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:46</time>
<p>have never had more technology advances than we do during wartime.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:49</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:50</time>
<p>That's when we throw a lot of money at technology and you can see When we</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:54</time>
<p>increase that cost during wartime towards military advancement and technology.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:59</time>
<p>It's when the greatest jumps are made and When you think about it if there was a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:04</time>
<p>chance that you lose a gunner you don't lose the gun Right, right, and that's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:09</time>
<p>what makes it so so unique is you're not going to wound yourself on that side</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:15</time>
<p>and not have that gun still available to you, even if you might lose the person.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:19</time>
<p>And that's what you have to think about with, you know, technology and defense.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:24</time>
<p>And uh, it's just, it's just amazing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:26</time>
<p>That aircraft is, is really something to see.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:29</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:30</time>
<p>And</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:30</time>
<p>one of the neat things that I found on YouTube and I kind of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:33</time>
<p>downloaded the video and kind of interjected it throughout our video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:36</time>
<p>was an old training video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:38</time>
<p>I mean, I call it a training video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:40</time>
<p>Really, it was more like a kind of a propaganda war video.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:43</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:44</time>
<p>Kind of more for the public than anything else.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:46</time>
<p>But even in the 40s, it had like animations.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:48</time>
<p>It would talk about this is where the crew sits and it would animate.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:52</time>
<p>Here's how the guns would turn.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:53</time>
<p>And here's what the pilots do.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:55</time>
<p>And it's that kind of old timey like and the pilots like brave and.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:58</time>
<p>important and this, that, and the other.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:00</time>
<p>You know, it's like, it's classic 40s, it's classic 40s kind of war propaganda</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:05</time>
<p>video, but it was, it was very well</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:07</time>
<p>done.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:08</time>
<p>And honestly, no other nation has an aircraft like this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:12</time>
<p>I mean, even Britain wants to use it, but really America is the one who's designed</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:17</time>
<p>it, made it, and put it into operation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:21</time>
<p>No one has touched anything like this when it comes to flight technology.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:26</time>
<p>And that's why the B 29 was so unique and really, like, they couldn't stop it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:34</time>
<p>Like even dropping the bombs, like it couldn't, no one could get up</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:36</time>
<p>there to stop it from happening.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:39</time>
<p>And, um, another thing that I find really unique is the A, we</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:43</time>
<p>talk about what makes a B 29.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:44</time>
<p>A.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:45</time>
<p>And Dick kind of mentions that it really was each place is making</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:51</time>
<p>different parts of this aircraft.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:52</time>
<p>Like each manufacturer.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:54</time>
<p>Each manufacturer is not rolling off one B 29.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:57</time>
<p>One place is making the front, one place is making the middle, one place</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:00</time>
<p>is making the tail, and then they're kind of putting it all together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:02</time>
<p>So in different areas, they're doing something a little bit different.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:06</time>
<p>And that's what makes things, the design is just a little</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:09</time>
<p>bit different in some places.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:10</time>
<p>And that's what makes it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:11</time>
<p>gives</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:12</time>
<p>it the A.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:12</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:13</time>
<p>And I think we said on the video that the B 29A had like an improved wing design</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:18</time>
<p>and some improved kind of defense systems.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:20</time>
<p>Um, so again, they're constantly iterating and making those things better because you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:26</time>
<p>have the best and brightest all focusing their efforts on things like the atomic</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:31</time>
<p>bomb as well as, um, Things like the B 29.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:34</time>
<p>The B</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:35</time>
<p>29.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:35</time>
<p>And honestly, when you think of the B 29, I want people to think a lot of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:39</time>
<p>the Manhattan Project because they're rolling off, I think the first B</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:43</time>
<p>29 rolled off in 1942 from Seattle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:46</time>
<p>And then the second one is in 1943, uh, and sometimes they would roll</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:53</time>
<p>off test flight and there was a mishap where the whole crew died.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:57</time>
<p>But most of the time someone would test flight it and fly it right back into</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:01</time>
<p>the hangar and they would fix all the things they were saying from that flight.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:06</time>
<p>So these test pilots who are learning this B 29, they're learning.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:11</time>
<p>on the go.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:12</time>
<p>It is like, we're, this is, this is the, the feeling of urgency of wartime.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:18</time>
<p>It's like, we're making this, we're testing it, we're fixing it,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:22</time>
<p>we're testing it, we're fixing it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:23</time>
<p>And so those, by the end of 1943, they only had 15 that were airworthy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:29</time>
<p>And even though they had made like a couple hundred only 15</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:33</time>
<p>were really like safe to fly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:35</time>
<p>So when you think about how much they had to kind of overcome and learn and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:39</time>
<p>get better to get this aircraft in the air, it really did take a lot of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:43</time>
<p>time and money and people to do this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:46</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:46</time>
<p>And, and.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:47</time>
<p>The other kind of video I found that was kind of, I cut inside of our video was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:52</time>
<p>another kind of mini documentary I found on YouTube that talked about the B 29 and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:58</time>
<p>more specifically kind of the operations and lead up to the first atomic bomb drop.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:03</time>
<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:03</time>
<p>So it talked about how the Japanese at the time, we were fighting</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:08</time>
<p>them back, but they basically said we're going to fight to the last.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:13</time>
<p>last man, last soldier, last woman, and all this stuff.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:17</time>
<p>And it kind of all the lead up that a lot of us have learned about,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:20</time>
<p>especially here in America, um, leading up to that kind of historic day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:25</time>
<p>And unbeknownst to us, really unplanned for us when we did our</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:30</time>
<p>live stream on Sunday, that was the 78th anniversary of Hiroshima.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:34</time>
<p>Um, so it was kind of neat to be able to talk about that in Oppenheimer</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:38</time>
<p>and kind of just remember that, you know, talk about it and, you know,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:41</time>
<p>talk about what we had learned.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:44</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:45</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:45</time>
<p>And obviously we focused on the movie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:46</time>
<p>It was kind of an Oppenheimer review.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:48</time>
<p>And so if you enjoyed that movie, if you've seen it, or if you're</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:51</time>
<p>curious, you can go to our channel and check out that live stream.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:54</time>
<p>We had a friend of ours on, the history chick, Sarah, um, but talking about</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:00</time>
<p>that and how significant the B 29 was, and it really was, that aircraft</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:04</time>
<p>really was kind of what it was.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:06</time>
<p>part of the golden age of aviation in, you know, in the forties, you know,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:11</time>
<p>in the world war two advancements.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:12</time>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:13</time>
<p>And like you had said, Japan had really, they were faltering, but</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:18</time>
<p>they had made a stance that they weren't going to surrender until</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:22</time>
<p>the last person was, was dead.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:25</time>
<p>Like they basically had said, we're going to fight until the end.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:29</time>
<p>I don't want people to think we weren't feeling that on the other side.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:33</time>
<p>Getting these aircraft and that, um, that atomic bomb ready took men and women</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:40</time>
<p>and their families and sacrifice to get these things ready to do what it did.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:46</time>
<p>We were trying to meet the enemy where they stood.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:50</time>
<p>And that's really, I mean, it was, and when you think of the 1940s, and that's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:53</time>
<p>why I always say it's the greatest generation, everybody was all in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:57</time>
<p>The country was all in people making these aircraft coming off the assembly line.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:03</time>
<p>We're women, right, Rosie the Riveters were doing this, men were</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:06</time>
<p>doing this, kids were helping out at home and it was the country all</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:11</time>
<p>together who was making this happen.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:13</time>
<p>So it really was like if Japan was digging in their heels, America</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:18</time>
<p>was meeting them where they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:19</time>
<p>were at.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:20</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:20</time>
<p>And so that's why, again, it was, it's, it's difficult to describe on</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:25</time>
<p>a podcast what it was like to kind of climb in that classic, just silver</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:30</time>
<p>shiny aircraft, a hundred and forty.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:32</time>
<p>One feet wide, you know, I don't remember how long, how long the aircraft</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:37</time>
<p>is, but climbing inside that, I mean, you just, you can feel the history</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:41</time>
<p>there and everybody's been commenting on the video saying, you know, Jen,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:45</time>
<p>we can tell how excited you were and how passionate you were to be there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:48</time>
<p>So it really was an experience.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:50</time>
<p>I encourage you to check out the show notes and watch the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:52</time>
<p>video on our YouTube channel.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:54</time>
<p>Um, I think you would really enjoy it if you enjoy this podcast.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:58</time>
<p>So the B 29 Superfortress soared through the skies during the golden</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:04</time>
<p>years of aviation, leaving an indelible mark on World War II.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:09</time>
<p>With its pressurized cabins, remote controlled gun turrets, and four engine</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:14</time>
<p>prowess, the B 29 epitomized the pinnacle of mid 20th century aviation engineering.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:20</time>
<p>Its illustrious legacy was etched into history over the vast expanse</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:24</time>
<p>of the Pacific theater where it undertook daring missions, raids,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:27</time>
<p>and, of course, the historic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:33</time>
<p>Beyond its military triumphs, the B 29 Superfortress ignited an enduring</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:36</time>
<p>fascination with the soaring possibilities of flight, forever linking it to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:41</time>
<p>aviation's golden age and the stories and legends of the greatest generation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:47</time>
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<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:50</time>
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<time>00:30:52</time>
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<time>00:30:52</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:30:52</time>
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<time>00:30:56</time>
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<time>00:31:05</time>
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