Cleveland’s Most Haunted History: A Journey Through Lakeview

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<p>so you may not have thought of</p>
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<p>but with just a little bit of research</p>
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<p>you'd be surprised at what historical</p>
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<p>figures are resting in your local area</p>
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<p>Cemetery</p>
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<p>this kind of curiosity and other YouTube</p>
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<p>channels like our friends over at Whit</p>
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<p>doc Cemetery tours and the history</p>
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<p>Hunters</p>
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<p>brought us to Lakeview Cemetery in</p>
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<p>Cleveland Ohio</p>
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<p>so Jen why don't you tell us about</p>
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<p>Lakeview Cemetery and who we visited</p>
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<p>there sure</p>
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<p>so</p>
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<p>what opened us up to this Cemetery</p>
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<p>because the cemeteries since doing this</p>
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<p>video we we have ventured more into</p>
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<p>interesting and had so much history in</p>
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<p>them but what brought us to this</p>
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<p>Cemetery was President Garfield 20th</p>
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<p>president of the United States I worked</p>
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<p>at the James Garfield house in Mentor</p>
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<p>Ohio the James Garfield house was James</p>
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<p>lived there while he was President he</p>
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<p>had bought it before he was president</p>
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<p>and after he was assassinated his family</p>
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<p>continued to live there so I had worked</p>
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<p>there I did an internship at the</p>
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<p>when doing that internship everyone</p>
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<p>would ask me have you been to his grave</p>
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<p>have you been to his Mausoleum you</p>
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<p>mentioned that to me a couple times like</p>
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<p>that he wanted to visit it and so it's</p>
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<p>not close by Mentor is about halfway</p>
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<p>between where we lived in Erie and</p>
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<p>Cleveland and his grave is in Cleveland</p>
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<p>this the cemetery is in Cleveland so we</p>
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<p>would have to make like the trip to go</p>
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<p>see it so I had talked you into it let's</p>
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<p>go to the cemetery let's go see uh</p>
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<p>President Garfield but in doing the</p>
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<p>research for who else is in Lakeview</p>
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<p>Cemetery we were like blown away yeah</p>
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<p>and so there was there were some big I</p>
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<p>mean there are some names that I even</p>
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<p>knew a couple that I didn't I kind of</p>
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<p>had to be reminded sure but but to put</p>
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<p>this all in context when Jen says</p>
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<p>hey we had we did more Cemetery you know</p>
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<p>Winston started going to cemeteries more</p>
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<p>and did more Cemetery tours I had never</p>
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<p>once yeah</p>
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<p>thought of going to a cemetery to like</p>
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<p>learn history yeah right so there was</p>
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<p>Arlington we had done Arlington just</p>
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<p>before this yes and this was after it</p>
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<p>and it was and really the the driver was</p>
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<p>because you were working at the James</p>
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<p>Garfield Presidential Library yeah James</p>
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<p>Garfield house yes and so when we</p>
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<p>finally went down there so tell why</p>
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<p>don't you tell our listeners about some</p>
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<p>of the other kind of Larger than Life</p>
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<p>historical figures that are buried at</p>
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<p>this Cemetery in Cleveland it's amazing</p>
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<p>because there if you get onto their</p>
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<p>website they have kind of like a mission</p>
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<p>statement and it's like Lakeview</p>
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<p>Cemetery is committed to providing</p>
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<p>internment services to all Races and</p>
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<p>religions</p>
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<p>while preserving its grounds and status</p>
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<p>as a nationally recognized landmark of</p>
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<p>historical significance now I just read</p>
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<p>that and that's kind of the conclusion</p>
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<p>we come to just by being there just by</p>
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<p>being there I was like these are people</p>
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<p>of all Races these are people of all</p>
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<p>religions these are people of all these</p>
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<p>classes I say this because the richest</p>
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<p>man in America</p>
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<p>for for years is buried in Lakeview</p>
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<p>Cemetery John D Rockefeller is buried in</p>
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<p>Lakeview Cemetery and then you also get</p>
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<p>like the first African-American mayor of</p>
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<p>a major city is buried in Lakeview</p>
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<p>Cemetery and then we're getting like a</p>
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<p>Lawman Elliot Ness is buried in Lakeview</p>
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<p>Cemetery so these huge historic figures</p>
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<p>are coming out at us in this one place</p>
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<p>of burial yeah and again for if you</p>
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<p>don't recognize those names right off</p>
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<p>the bat this is John D Rockefeller of</p>
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<p>railroads and oil and and</p>
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<p>Rockefeller Center in New York like he</p>
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<p>built that yeah his son built it is his</p>
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<p>money yeah his money his you know all</p>
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<p>his work right the major first black</p>
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<p>mayor of a major city yeah you know</p>
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<p>um Elliot Ness so if you've ever seen</p>
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<p>The Untouchables you know for me I knew</p>
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<p>Elliot from a Tupac song yeah you know</p>
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<p>you had no idea who he was I I had I had</p>
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<p>no idea but I had actually seen the</p>
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<p>movie</p>
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<p>um it's a Sean Connery and Kevin Costner</p>
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<p>movie so there's some there's some</p>
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<p>there's some really not just the</p>
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<p>president it's all these other people</p>
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<p>yeah and so it opened in 1869</p>
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<p>um and it's still in use today has</p>
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<p>interesting monuments like there was</p>
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<p>like a a crying lady Monument by the</p>
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<p>lake and that was actually a lot more</p>
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<p>famous than I realized yes and they have</p>
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<p>like they have very interesting</p>
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<p>tombstones like we'll talk about Alan</p>
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<p>freed and his Tombstone looks like a</p>
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<p>jukebox yeah the the Allen Friedman was</p>
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<p>really interesting the crying lady so</p>
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<p>it's basically looks like an she kind of</p>
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<p>looks like an angel I don't know if</p>
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<p>she's got the wings yeah but for some</p>
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<p>reason it's that kind of classic kind of</p>
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<p>rusty green yes and for some reason the</p>
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<p>patina makes it looks like she's got</p>
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<p>tears so it's very artistic and very</p>
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<p>it's it's very emotional yes it was and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>then when I started doing the video and</p>
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<p>making this video video for YouTube I</p>
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<p>was like this is actually really well</p>
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<p>known it is and it's actually so</p>
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<p>different cemeteries have different</p>
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<p>missions I would say and Lakeview</p>
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<p>cemetery's mission is really to be in</p>
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<p>the community they want Community</p>
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<p>involvement they have a whole I mean we</p>
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<p>see you'll see it in our video they have</p>
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<p>a whole daffodil Hill and they want</p>
<p></p>
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<p>people to visit it they want people to</p>
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<p>drive in their Cemetery take pictures</p>
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<p>they want people to walk they want</p>
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<p>people to picnic they want people to</p>
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<p>kids to play like they encourage that</p>
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<p>behavior where you'll get other</p>
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<p>cemeteries who very much discourage that</p>
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<p>behavior Arlington is one of them so you</p>
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<p>have to be very aware of what the</p>
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<p>cemetery's purpose and what their</p>
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<p>mission is trying to accomplish this was</p>
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<p>much more of and we'll go into some of</p>
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<p>the characters but just up front this</p>
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<p>was much more of a tourist destination</p>
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<p>and even the people there when we were</p>
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<p>walking around visiting like they just</p>
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<p>started chatting with us you know and</p>
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<p>they and they saw that we were making</p>
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<p>videos and nobody was really bothered by</p>
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<p>it I think it's one of the first times</p>
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<p>we handed out our business card that's</p>
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<p>right yeah that's right</p>
<p></p>
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<p>um so so Jen who are the some of the</p>
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<p>first kind of historical figures where</p>
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<p>we're going to be talking a little bit</p>
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<p>about who do we see there</p>
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<p>well so one of the ones I really wanted</p>
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<p>to talk about was Ray Chapman and Ray</p>
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<p>Chapman was a baseball player he played</p>
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<p>for the Cleveland Indians and he was the</p>
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<p>only major league baseball player who</p>
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<p>has died from an injury of a ball during</p>
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<p>a game</p>
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<p>and he was hit in the head with a</p>
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<p>baseball this is this is 30 years before</p>
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<p>helmets before so it's even after 30</p>
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<p>years after he's hit and killed they</p>
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<p>still don't introduce helmets and he is</p>
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<p>hit by a Yankee player a pitcher named</p>
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<p>Carl Mays and Carl Mays had the</p>
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<p>reputation for being kind of a wild</p>
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<p>pitcher anyway but after he kills Ray</p>
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<p>Chapman</p>
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<p>um</p>
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<p>his reputation pretty much goes downhill</p>
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<p>from there but um and that grave like I</p>
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<p>mean I had all sorts of stuff around it</p>
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<p>baseballs and gloves yeah and people</p>
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<p>bought pennants like Cleveland Indian</p>
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<p>pennants that's right and people were</p>
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<p>that's those are the people who we gave</p>
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<p>our card to yeah people were visiting</p>
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<p>that grave so people come there for that</p>
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<p>grave and</p>
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<p>you know he was only 29 years old he was</p>
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<p>very young and what I found interesting</p>
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<p>about him</p>
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<p>is</p>
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<p>he his wife is pregnant when he dies and</p>
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<p>she has a daughter and they she gets</p>
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<p>remarried to a man in California and she</p>
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<p>ends up never really recovering from her</p>
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<p>husband's death and she ends up passing</p>
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<p>away where her husband in California</p>
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<p>just has her sent back to Cleveland and</p>
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<p>buried in Calgary Cemetery and why visit</p>
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<p>Calgary Cemetery in the Cleveland torso</p>
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<p>killer video oh and then the daughter</p>
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<p>actually she dies not long after at</p>
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<p>eight years old from measles oh my gosh</p>
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<p>and she's actually buried in Calvary</p>
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<p>Cemetery too so I I sometimes find it</p>
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<p>sad when families are separated I feel</p>
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<p>like they should be buried with Ray</p>
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<p>Chapman you know so that's kind of like</p>
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<p>something that I you know just</p>
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<p>I always like to look at find a grave</p>
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<p>and the connections people still have</p>
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<p>sure</p>
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<p>um but no Ray Chapman is a very popular</p>
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<p>grade because he was killed by a</p>
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<p>baseball in a major league game I think</p>
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<p>he was pretty close to the radio DJ</p>
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<p>no</p>
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<p>the rate of DJ is close to eliotness</p>
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<p>that's right that's right yeah</p>
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<p>so</p>
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<p>Elliot nass we can talk about Elliot</p>
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<p>Ness a little bit so I was so excited</p>
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<p>we're so excited because I loved the</p>
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<p>Untouchables so if anyone has seen that</p>
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<p>movie with Kevin Costner and Sean</p>
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<p>Connery to me it's probably one of Sean</p>
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<p>Connery's best roles he wins the Academy</p>
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<p>Award for it for best supporting yes his</p>
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<p>only Academy Award if he wins it for The</p>
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<p>Untouchables yeah and he has the great</p>
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<p>line we put it in the video like how far</p>
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<p>are you willing to go yeah like you want</p>
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<p>to take down Al Capone what are you</p>
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<p>prepared to do yeah because you've got</p>
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<p>to go all the way yeah that's a classic</p>
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<p>it's a classic kind of monster era movie</p>
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<p>but for the cops per se from the cops</p>
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<p>yes right now the sad thing about The</p>
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<p>Untouchables is most of it is highly</p>
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<p>historically inaccurate the movie the</p>
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<p>movie no they're actually I mean there</p>
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<p>was a group right Elliot and S like they</p>
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<p>were actually him and like his his other</p>
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<p>kind of straight stick cops he had a</p>
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<p>small team and they were the they were</p>
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<p>anti-prohibitionists so what they did</p>
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<p>what he did basically is he did</p>
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<p>he was he was brought in to take down Al</p>
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<p>Capone and how they did then what they</p>
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<p>did is they basically cut out the</p>
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<p>middleman with his alcohol Supply and</p>
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<p>that's what they did and they kind of</p>
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<p>show that in the movie A little bit yeah</p>
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<p>and as they're doing that the problem is</p>
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<p>when they try to bring them up on</p>
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<p>charges of um you know prohibition is</p>
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<p>the the judge is paid off right and</p>
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<p>that's what happens in real life right</p>
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<p>because because Capone had paid</p>
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<p>everybody off cops judges so what</p>
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<p>happens is they actually are actually</p>
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<p>they actually are able to bring them up</p>
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<p>on tax evasion charges and uh Elliot</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Eliot ness's brother works for the</p>
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<p>treasury and Elliot Ness is actually</p>
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<p>working for the treasury at this time as</p>
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<p>well and</p>
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<p>um it's actually the the three charges</p>
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<p>stick and he gets sent to prison for 11</p>
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<p>years and there is one moment when Ness</p>
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<p>and Capone actually meet I think it's</p>
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<p>when Ness takes Capone from the jail and</p>
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<p>puts them on a plane to go to another</p>
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<p>bigger prison yeah it's the one time</p>
<p></p>
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<p>they're actually like in the same</p>
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<p>space but the whole point of The</p>
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<p>Untouchables and This this term was</p>
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<p>coined by the Chicago newspaper for the</p>
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<p>six men that Ness gets around him is</p>
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<p>they can't be bought right Capone can't</p>
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<p>pay them off yeah and so they're</p>
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<p>Untouchable by and they try to show the</p>
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<p>corruption they try to kind of explain</p>
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<p>why they're called The Untouchables yeah</p>
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<p>and so that kind of really makes Elliot</p>
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<p>ness's career</p>
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<p>he moves on to Cleveland so this is this</p>
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<p>is what opens us up to like why is he in</p>
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<p>Cleveland why is Elena that made no</p>
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<p>sense he's from Chicago right this whole</p>
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<p>Al Capone case is Chicago yeah he comes</p>
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<p>to Cleveland after he's hired a safety</p>
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<p>director and</p>
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<p>the serial killer starts operating yeah</p>
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<p>which is another video it's another</p>
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<p>video and we'll talk about it on another</p>
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<p>podcast and long story short he sees</p>
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<p>unsuccessful in Catching him yeah it</p>
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<p>becomes it tarnishes his career and he</p>
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<p>ends up going he ends up working for</p>
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<p>like a counterfeit company in</p>
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<p>Pennsylvania</p>
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<p>and uh he he dies of a heart attack very</p>
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<p>young 54 years old and he dies</p>
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<p>relatively obscure and then a book comes</p>
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<p>out about two years later called The</p>
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<p>Untouchables yeah and his whole life is</p>
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<p>made TV show comes out a movie comes out</p>
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<p>Elliot Ness gains notoriety he's in a</p>
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<p>song yeah right and now you think it now</p>
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<p>he would never recognize the the</p>
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<p>famousness that he has because he wasn't</p>
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<p>that famous back then he was very he was</p>
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<p>very tarnished and discouraged after</p>
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<p>what happens in Cleveland yeah</p>
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<p>so um and he was a alcoholic he was he</p>
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<p>was drinking a lot because again he felt</p>
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<p>very he couldn't solve that last case</p>
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<p>and he burns down that shanty town and</p>
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<p>that really just yeah and we'll and</p>
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<p>we'll talk about that yeah but that's in</p>
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<p>another video</p>
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<p>and we'll talk about that on another</p>
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<p>podcast so again so we mentioned earlier</p>
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<p>that uh Alan freed his grave is like</p>
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<p>across the street so right there so</p>
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<p>Elliot Ness</p>
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<p>if you see his Tombstone just so we can</p>
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<p>color a cover Elliot so fast he's</p>
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<p>actually not buried he's that's right</p>
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<p>his ashes are there and they're not</p>
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<p>actually even by the tombstone they're</p>
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<p>in the lake yeah and the police</p>
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<p>department spread his ashes in the lake</p>
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<p>yeah in this Cemetery in the cemetery so</p>
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<p>the tombstone is just kind of like a to</p>
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<p>mark that his marker for him yeah yeah</p>
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<p>his ashes are close by yeah but not</p>
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<p>actually there and then close to that</p>
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<p>lake is also Allen freed and Alan freed</p>
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<p>is the whole reason why the Rock and</p>
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<p>Roll Hall of Fame is in Cleveland yep so</p>
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<p>he was a disc jockey to play</p>
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<p>African-American music and give credit</p>
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<p>to African-American artists I don't</p>
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<p>think I realized that and so he coins</p>
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<p>the term rock and roll he comes up with</p>
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<p>that term and that is the whole reason</p>
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<p>it's in Cleveland because Cleveland's</p>
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<p>invented he was pretty big back in the</p>
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<p>time because even when I was making a</p>
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<p>video yeah I could Google something on</p>
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<p>YouTube If you Google him on YouTube you</p>
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<p>can find his old sure TV shows so after</p>
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<p>he does that he starts having big</p>
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<p>concerts and I think one of the things</p>
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<p>on his tombstones is one of the concerts</p>
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<p>he had one of the first the first Rock</p>
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<p>and Roll concert was in Cleveland then</p>
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<p>he gets hired by bigger TV shows he kind</p>
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<p>of does a lot of what de Clark does with</p>
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<p>the American Bandstand but Alan Freed's</p>
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<p>career is ruined with um he is part of</p>
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<p>the Scandal where he's paid by certain</p>
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<p>record labels to play their artists</p>
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<p>um records right and he does it and so</p>
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<p>it's a huge Scandal he's discredited in</p>
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<p>the community he's totally ruined and he</p>
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<p>ends up dying young of again alcoholism</p>
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<p>so and his name is very tarnished where</p>
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<p>people don't associate Alan Reed with</p>
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<p>the same type of</p>
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<p>um stardom as dick is De Clark right</p>
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<p>even though it's really Alan freed who's</p>
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<p>who sets the stage for Dick Clark so but</p>
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<p>Alan freed unfortunately that Scandal</p>
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<p>just yeah and just you know if if you're</p>
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<p>if you're less interested in this</p>
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<p>historical aspect and you let's say you</p>
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<p>live in the Cleveland area and you're</p>
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<p>going there the tombstone is just cool</p>
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<p>it looks amazing it looks like a big it</p>
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<p>looks like a big jukebox it's really</p>
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<p>really neat it and it and it stands out</p>
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<p>just because it's</p>
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<p>it it's not your typical headstone it</p>
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<p>literally looks like it's like about the</p>
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<p>size of what a jukebox should be it's</p>
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<p>it's gigantic and you can see it from</p>
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<p>Elliot ness's uh and for us we weren't</p>
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<p>really expecting to go to his grave but</p>
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<p>because you could see it from Elliot</p>
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<p>ness's grave and it was what is that</p>
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<p>neat we walked over and we was like oh</p>
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<p>and you can basically read his story on</p>
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<p>the tombstone yeah now I had read also</p>
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<p>that he wasn't originally buried there</p>
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<p>and then his ashes went to the Rock and</p>
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<p>Roll Hall of Fame for a long time and</p>
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<p>then the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame</p>
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<p>asked for them to remove his ashes and</p>
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<p>his his family put him in Lakeview San</p>
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<p>materials oh interesting yeah so I don't</p>
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<p>know what that's all about but that's</p>
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<p>kind of what happened there</p>
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<p>[Music]</p>
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<p>now there were some other ones if and</p>
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<p>I'm trying to remember so so of course</p>
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<p>we do we do Carl Stokes he's that first</p>
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<p>um mayor of a major city he's the first</p>
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<p>black mayor of Cleveland</p>
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<p>and we go to his grave we go to Garrett</p>
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<p>Morgan's grave he was an inventor the</p>
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<p>three-way traffic light in gas masks yes</p>
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<p>that's right I and I was pretty neat</p>
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<p>he's African-American he's</p>
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<p>African-American as well yes so so think</p>
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<p>about that let's pause really quick on</p>
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<p>that right traffic lights yeah like this</p>
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<p>guy invented traffic lights red yellow</p>
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<p>green like thing that everybody knows</p>
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<p>nowadays everybody Associates those</p>
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<p>colors with you know go stop and slow</p>
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<p>down all right speed up or the road rage</p>
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<p>or what have you whatever City that</p>
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<p>you're living in this guy Garrett Morgan</p>
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<p>Garrett Morgan invented that as well as</p>
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<p>gas masks I mean talk about two</p>
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<p>completely opposite things safety very</p>
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<p>safe yeah that's true that's right very</p>
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<p>safety oriented but I mean gas masks so</p>
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<p>what about do you remember when he no</p>
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<p>but they're very like premature gas</p>
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<p>masks like the basic the the precursive</p>
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<p>yeah precursors yeah what would actually</p>
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<p>be used and all that stuff yeah but uh</p>
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<p>that was just like it was such a random</p>
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<p>super interesting and he was kind of a</p>
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<p>little bit further away yes from some of</p>
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<p>them so this is a big Cemetery it's 235</p>
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<p>Acres yeah it's it was gigantic it's</p>
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<p>very big Cemetery so you have to it's</p>
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<p>again</p>
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<p>you have to know where you're going you</p>
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<p>have to get a map you have to kind of</p>
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<p>plot out the the graves like even for</p>
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<p>Garrett Morgan I remember we have his</p>
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<p>section and lot number but we had to</p>
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<p>walk around there for a little bit we</p>
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<p>had to look around for a little while um</p>
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<p>we go to Salisbury so I was gonna ask</p>
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<p>was that where Salisbury so this is like</p>
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<p>the Salisbury steak guy so if you walk</p>
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<p>over if you go and watch our video and</p>
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<p>the video link will be in the podcast</p>
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<p>you know notes description here</p>
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<p>um you know I kind of show like a quick</p>
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<p>picture of like hey what's a salisbury</p>
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<p>steak again yeah you know if you're not</p>
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<p>if you're not a big meat eater or</p>
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<p>whatever right but this is the guy that</p>
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<p>came up with the Salisbury Salisbury or</p>
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<p>this is you know it was named after him</p>
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<p>it was named after him so he comes he's</p>
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<p>a doctor who starts to see the benefits</p>
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<p>of a meat-centered diet so basically</p>
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<p>sees the benefits of high protein right</p>
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<p>and so the Salisbury steak is named</p>
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<p>after him was he wasn't he Scottish or</p>
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<p>something like that I think so but it's</p>
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<p>basically just a steak with gravy</p>
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<p>basically back in the day when steaks</p>
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<p>were really dry because you can imagine</p>
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<p>just cooking them over like kind of spit</p>
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<p>or something to wait to make them edible</p>
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<p>was probably to put some kind of gravy</p>
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<p>on them to eat them so thank you put</p>
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<p>some of the extra juices on yeah but no</p>
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<p>one of the bigger Graves we saw was of</p>
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<p>course</p>
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<p>John D Rockville yeah yeah his grave was</p>
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<p>huge it's huge he has a huge Obelisk</p>
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<p>yeah and he's buried I think it's so</p>
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<p>funny he's buried beside his mother yeah</p>
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<p>and his wife yeah shocker right between</p>
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<p>us yeah oh my gosh well and you know</p>
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<p>what I didn't know that you taught me</p>
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<p>while we were there is people there was</p>
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<p>all this money laying around money and</p>
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<p>I'm like not just not just pennies yeah</p>
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<p>it's like dollar bills</p>
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<p>yeah people leave money on his grave and</p>
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<p>they do that because</p>
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<p>there's a Superstition that if you leave</p>
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<p>money on rockefeller's grave your your</p>
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<p>personal money will multiply the way</p>
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<p>Rockefellers money multiplied but</p>
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<p>Rockefeller I mean he made his money in</p>
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<p>a way that I I'd say this on the video</p>
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<p>you can't make your money today he</p>
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<p>monopolized Standard Oil yeah he cut out</p>
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<p>all middlemen he overpriced so middlemen</p>
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<p>couldn't afford transportation and then</p>
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<p>once he owned all the oil he could jack</p>
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<p>up the prices yeah and so and again I</p>
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<p>didn't really understand this until I</p>
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<p>started making making the video when</p>
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<p>when Jen says monopolize the oil</p>
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<p>industry it was a true and legitimate</p>
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<p>Monopoly if so I do I show a picture of</p>
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<p>because the U.S government eventually</p>
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<p>they broke up Standard Oil they won't</p>
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<p>let you do that anymore yeah because</p>
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<p>it's not fair to and so there there's a</p>
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<p>tree so there's a picture right there's</p>
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<p>a picture kind of showing like when</p>
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<p>Standard Oil was broken up into three or</p>
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<p>four things and then three or four</p>
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<p>things from each of those was in all the</p>
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<p>big name companies Exxon Mobile all</p>
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<p>those they all were born from standard</p>
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<p>standard oil if you look at that video</p>
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<p>pause it on that section and just look</p>
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<p>at what standard oil was everything that</p>
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<p>came from it and you'll see all the big</p>
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<p>name oil oil companies today you're like</p>
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<p>oh my gosh he he basically owned like</p>
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<p>the entire world Supply yes you know and</p>
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<p>supplied oil to the entire world at the</p>
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<p>time yes he did and it doesn't support</p>
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<p>free market it doesn't know so not at</p>
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<p>all that's a smidge of a monopoly yeah</p>
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<p>but he so he tries to make good right so</p>
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<p>Rockefeller goes oh buy this uh these 22</p>
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<p>acres in Manhattan and I'll build all</p>
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<p>these buildings and I'll make it so I'm</p>
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<p>doing something good for society and you</p>
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<p>know we'll build uh Rockefeller Center</p>
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<p>and we'll build 30 Rock and we'll build</p>
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<p>a bunch of different things in that show</p>
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<p>30 Rock 30 Rockefeller Center yeah it's</p>
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<p>him yeah it's him</p>
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<p>so it's very interesting he lives to be</p>
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<p>a very old too he lives to be 98 years</p>
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<p>old so I mean talk about just a guy who</p>
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<p>just won't quit in every single way</p>
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<p>he was the first billionaire in the U.S</p>
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<p>and then um of course we go to</p>
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<p>[Music]</p>
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<p>Garfield</p>
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<p>yeah that was cool James Garfield 20th</p>
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<p>president of the United States</p>
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<p>assassinated he was shot in the train</p>
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<p>station in Washington DC on September 18</p>
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<p>1881 and he</p>
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<p>um</p>
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<p>no actually I'm sorry he shot July 2nd</p>
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<p>1881 he dies September 18 1881 yeah and</p>
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<p>we now remind me that was his was the</p>
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<p>mausoleum we didn't get to go inside yes</p>
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<p>because of covet you couldn't go inside</p>
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<p>it's a large I mean it's it's a huge</p>
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<p>Monument I would love to go back and get</p>
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<p>a chance to go inside I mean at the time</p>
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<p>it was like 100 135 000 it took nine</p>
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<p>years to build so he dies in 1881</p>
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<p>like most presidents he lays in state at</p>
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<p>the rotundra and the capital then he</p>
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<p>goes on again like a a funeral train</p>
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<p>tour same thing they did with Lincoln</p>
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<p>yeah and he brought back to Cleveland</p>
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<p>and then he's put he's he's at Lakeview</p>
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<p>in a vault and he's kept there for nine</p>
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<p>years until they build this Mausoleum</p>
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<p>and it's it's huge we saw it's beautiful</p>
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<p>yeah stained glass windows gorgeous from</p>
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<p>the outside we weren't allowed to go</p>
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<p>inside and there's a big 12-foot marble</p>
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<p>statue of him inside and he's buried</p>
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<p>there beside his wife or they're not</p>
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<p>even Barry they're in tombs yeah so</p>
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<p>their coffins are visible with their um</p>
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<p>with the American flag and in the video</p>
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<p>I show some some pictures right that are</p>
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<p>that are publicly available online yeah</p>
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<p>so if you walk again if you watch the</p>
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<p>video you can kind of see what it looks</p>
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<p>like inside if you ever want to go visit</p>
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<p>for yourself I'd go back just to visit</p>
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<p>yeah it's really neat um</p>
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<p>but here's a he's a an interesting</p>
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<p>president because he's basically killed</p>
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<p>more or less by his doctors yeah that's</p>
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<p>right because he they keep this is</p>
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<p>before washing your hands this is if</p>
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<p>we're using gloves this is for</p>
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<p>sterilizing instruments so because he's</p>
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<p>shot in the back and it goes into his</p>
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<p>abdomen doctors keep trying to check for</p>
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<p>the bullet because he never got it out</p>
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<p>they never got it out and they keep</p>
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<p>trying to get it out and they can't</p>
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<p>quite find it and they keep sticking</p>
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<p>dirty instruments and dirty fingers he</p>
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<p>dies of blood poisoning gangrene and so</p>
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<p>his the defense of his assassin is that</p>
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<p>I shot him but I didn't kill him that's</p>
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<p>right that's right so that's what he</p>
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<p>says and he was actually and I didn't</p>
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<p>realize that he was actually a pretty</p>
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<p>popular president elected like he was he</p>
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<p>was very popular so he was a general in</p>
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<p>the Civil War he's a great orator what a</p>
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<p>amazing speaker and he was well educated</p>
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<p>he was taught at um college and that's a</p>
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<p>that's what some of the murals on the</p>
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<p>side of the mausoleum have him to being</p>
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<p>a teacher being a professor so and he</p>
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<p>was very well liked and that's at the</p>
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<p>time the two sides couldn't decide on a</p>
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<p>president and they both kind of dug in</p>
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<p>their heels and then someone said well</p>
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<p>what about Garfield I was like yeah yeah</p>
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<p>so that's basically how he won the</p>
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<p>presidency they called in the Dark Horse</p>
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<p>because no one expected him to win and</p>
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<p>then he won yeah he was like the one</p>
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<p>person that everybody could agree with</p>
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<p>mom like yeah actually I think he'd be</p>
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<p>pretty good like we really don't like</p>
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<p>these other two but he'd be pretty good</p>
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<p>pretty good yeah so that's how he won</p>
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<p>yeah</p>
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<p>um so that was that was neat and I</p>
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<p>wanted to see that so that was very</p>
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<p>important and</p>
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<p>this was the first time that we had</p>
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<p>brought the kids with us and</p>
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<p>um my middle son really took an interest</p>
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<p>because we had spoken about a school</p>
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<p>tragedy yeah that's right that was a</p>
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<p>monument that's right 169 children were</p>
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<p>killed in a fire in 1908 at a school in</p>
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<p>Cleveland and there was a</p>
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<p>a monument to them so I was talking</p>
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<p>about that and my middle son was very</p>
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<p>interested in that well and I didn't</p>
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<p>realize that that particular event again</p>
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<p>that happened in Ohio yes but it was the</p>
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<p>reason that they changed a lot of safety</p>
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<p>codes</p>
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<p>and part of what happened was that all</p>
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<p>the kids were trying to rush out of this</p>
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<p>cafeteria and the the doors swung</p>
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<p>inwards yes and not outwards and</p>
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<p>obviously they were panicking they</p>
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<p>didn't realize this and so now</p>
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<p>if you ever go into a a space like that</p>
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<p>all doors in large auditoriums like that</p>
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<p>they all swing out and that was that was</p>
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<p>because of this tragedy yeah and it's</p>
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<p>yeah it was very you know of course a</p>
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<p>lot of safety protocols born of tragedy</p>
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<p>you know and that was one of them and it</p>
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<p>was there's a lot of children you know</p>
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<p>so it was a pretty sad thing and of</p>
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<p>course my son took interest in that and</p>
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<p>so we had a we had to talk about that of</p>
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<p>course but um</p>
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<p>I think one of the other Graves we see</p>
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<p>here is Devereaux</p>
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<p>oh yes so that's just something that</p>
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<p>always stuck out in my mind as those</p>
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<p>three characters walking home from the</p>
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<p>American Revolution there's a famous</p>
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<p>painting and I just had always seen it</p>
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<p>recreated yeah right so so again most</p>
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<p>people listening to this because I had</p>
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<p>no idea sure right and I'm not sure you</p>
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<p>even did I mean you may have because</p>
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<p>you're super smart but most folks won't</p>
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<p>know Devereaux they won't yeah even</p>
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<p>trying to describe the painting of the</p>
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<p>three men walking kind of across a</p>
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<p>battlefield one kind of drumming one</p>
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<p>carrying the American flag carrying the</p>
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<p>Americans and one kind of injured</p>
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<p>playing the flute right and it's been</p>
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<p>recreated it's been recreated like</p>
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<p>Mickey Donald and Goofy recreated it I</p>
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<p>think they recreated a lot like in just</p>
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<p>cartoons and stuff and again we show the</p>
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<p>pictures on the video but it was just so</p>
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<p>neat so Deborah was one of the models</p>
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<p>one of the models for the painting yeah</p>
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<p>yeah the original paintings just kind of</p>
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<p>again such a random aside for such a a</p>
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<p>pretty famous painting yeah right again</p>
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<p>it's been recreated and reacted and you</p>
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<p>know across cartoons and all sorts of</p>
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<p>stuff if you look it up online or if you</p>
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<p>watch our video</p>
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<p>you'll recognize you'd be like oh yeah</p>
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<p>I've seen that before well yeah again</p>
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<p>this was this was such a fun</p>
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<p>one to do because it was unexpectedly</p>
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<p>just a nice afternoon</p>
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<p>um</p>
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<p>this was the first time that I thought</p>
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<p>of local cemeteries as places to visit</p>
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<p>and the first time outside of Arlington</p>
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<p>National Cemetery that I viewed a city</p>
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<p>cemetery as more of an afternoon</p>
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<p>destination on a nice day</p>
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<p>because you never know who might be</p>
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<p>resting right in your hometown</p>
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<p>so again thank you to those lists for</p>
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