John Wayne's birthplace: Exploring his life outside of cinema

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<p>Like, what, what, what, like, what category</p>
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<p>You married into</p>
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<p>married into</p>
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<p>So what's that called?</p>
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<p>nerddom.</p>
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<p>I was, I was wondering that because, I mean, that's what we're doing.</p>
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<p>That's second career for me, for you.</p>
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<p>It's going to be, it's going to be history</p>
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<p>History nerd in law?</p>
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<p>History of law.</p>
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<p>For those listening I don't know if you guys ever have a</p>
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<p>good thought reach out to me,</p>
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<p>And I don't think the History Channel does a lot of John Wayne topics,</p>
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<p>Um, and I don't think they</p>
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<p>history period, so we're coming for you History Channel.</p>
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<p>I haven't said that in a while.</p>
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<p>But History Channel, you better watch out, because</p>
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<p>It's</p>
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<p>this stuff, that you and</p>
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<p>common for you, Jen's Gaines of history.</p>
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<p>Today, we are embarking on a journey to explore the life and legacy</p>
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<p>of one of America's most iconic figures, the legendary John We're taking you on</p>
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<p>an adventure to Winterset, Iowa, where we visited the very house where Marian</p>
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<p>Morrison, the man who would later become John Wayne, entered this It's more than</p>
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<p>just a house, it's a window into the early years of a Hollywood We're going</p>
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<p>to unravel the story of John Wayne's life from his humble beginnings in Winterset</p>
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<p>to his transformation into the Duke and the enduring legacy he left on the</p>
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<p>silver We'll delve deep into the roots of this cinematic legend and explore</p>
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<p>his later family life and how his own kids ventured into So whether you're</p>
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<p>a fan of Westerns, a history buff, or just someone curious about the life</p>
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<p>of a true American icon, this episode promises to be a journey through time</p>
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<p>and cinema you won't want to miss.</p>
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<p>Without further ado, let's step back in time and experience the life and</p>
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<p>times of John Wayne as we visit his birthplace home in Winterset, Iowa.</p>
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<p>So Jen, this was, again, at the tail end of our western road trip, and this was</p>
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<p>a, a huge kind of thing for you to do.</p>
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<p>This was, this is the one thing we did in Iowa as we were driving.</p>
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<p>So let's talk a little bit about Winterset and then the birthplace of this cinematic</p>
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<p>Yeah, so you know, pretty much the start of Walk With History, I did a</p>
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<p>lot of John Wayne research and this was always a bucket list place for me to go</p>
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<p>because I grew up on John Wayne movies.</p>
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<p>So I always wanted to see the John Wayne Museum and the John Wayne House.</p>
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<p>This was always wanted to see the John Wayne Museum</p>
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<p>and the John Wayne House.</p>
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<p>John Wayne Americana and, and history Americana.</p>
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<p>And that was literally one of the things that inspired you</p>
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<p>to, to, to start the channel.</p>
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<p>Yes,</p>
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<p>because people were showing some things on YouTube, but they</p>
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<p>weren't really connecting it.</p>
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<p>Like, why does this matter?</p>
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<p>Or why, how does this impact us today?</p>
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<p>How does John Wayne impact us today?</p>
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<p>What is he left?</p>
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<p>What is his legacy?</p>
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<p>What is his Americana legacy?</p>
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<p>What did we, you know?</p>
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<p>We think a lot about the West because of John Wayne, he is the, the Western</p>
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<p>actor of the time, like I said, highest grossing film actor for three decades.</p>
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<p>He presents us with the window into a lot of these different stories.</p>
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<p>and brings them to life for us.</p>
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<p>And you just think of John Wayne.</p>
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<p>He is a movie star.</p>
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<p>And you think of him with the swagger, with the star, with the</p>
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<p>gun, you know, in, in a shootout.</p>
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<p>Like this is, you picture John Wayne as this man who is part of building America.</p>
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<p>Now he didn't build it per se as the Westerners really did, but</p>
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<p>he's going to personify it and show it on the silver screen.</p>
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<p>I just thought that was so neat that you, you called that out that</p>
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<p>we were standing in the birthplace of the person inspired us to, to be</p>
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<p>there and to be filming to begin with.</p>
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<p>So I, I just thought that was really neat.</p>
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<p>And we talked briefly about last week's episode, was more about his movie career.</p>
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<p>We're going to focus more on family life about kind of where set being off</p>
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<p>kind of in the middle of Iowa off the beaten path a little bit easy to find.</p>
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<p>The, the movie museum is great, and if you guys are curious about</p>
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<p>that, I'd encourage you to listen to the episode just before this.</p>
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<p>We talk about kind of more his movie career and the museum itself, but we're</p>
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<p>going to focus more on his personal</p>
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<p>Sure.</p>
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<p>So the house is kind of connected with the museum.</p>
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<p>If you want to visit the museum.</p>
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<p>And then go to the house, it's right next door.</p>
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<p>And his house is at 220 South 2nd Street in Winterset, Iowa.</p>
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<p>And he was born there May 26th, 1907.</p>
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<p>And it really hasn't changed a lot since then.</p>
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<p>It's a four bedroom house, or four bedroom, four room house.</p>
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<p>One bedroom, one bedroom, one kitchen, one dining room, one living room.</p>
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<p>That's it.</p>
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<p>And so in the local newspaper reported four days after his birth</p>
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<p>that he weighed 13 pounds at birth.</p>
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<p>And so when we're in that house and I show you the room where he was born,</p>
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<p>I just comment on a 13 pound baby.</p>
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<p>I just can't even imagine amount of emotions that might have been</p>
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<p>coming out of that room at the time.</p>
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<p>were there's a lot of screaming going on in this</p>
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<p>room and it's cool because they actually had the newspaper from</p>
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<p>And So</p>
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<p>You know that one of the things that I noticed in the announcement</p>
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<p>of was just below that was an article about how popular for whatever, for</p>
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<p>Yeah, it was, it was probably coming back around, but it was just neat</p>
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<p>to see some of the other things.</p>
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<p>Sure.</p>
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<p>In the newspaper right there.</p>
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<p>So again, the, the video that we're, that we made already that's the, show notes.</p>
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<p>So if you guys wanna watch that, you can, but it was kind of neat</p>
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<p>to see what else was going on.</p>
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<p>It's 1907,</p>
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<p>1907.</p>
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<p>So Marian, it's so funny, his name is, is Feminine.</p>
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<p>When you really think about it.</p>
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<p>Marian Robert Morrison and he, his middle name will be changed to Michael</p>
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<p>because they have a second boy in 1911 and they name him Michael.</p>
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<p>So are they, I mean, they name him Robert.</p>
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<p>So they change his middle name to Michael.</p>
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<p>Now, there's no legal papers ever found to show that they did this.</p>
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<p>I think they just kind of like, as a family, did it.</p>
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<p>It was like they had a second boy and they really liked the name</p>
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<p>Robert, but they had given it to him.</p>
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<p>So they're like, well, we're going to kind of take it back and give you Michael</p>
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<p>and we're going to call him Robert.</p>
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<p>how interesting.</p>
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<p>And, and that's funny because one of the things that I, I thought I actually</p>
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<p>could have done a little bit better in we actually show a lot of childhood pictures.</p>
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<p>Mm-Hmm.</p>
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<p>kind of on the walls and they're, they're, those are hard to find in Google.</p>
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<p>Like a lot of those don't, don't pop up all the time.</p>
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<p>So it was neat to kind of see them on, on, on the wall, but I,</p>
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<p>I, I wish I would've pointed out.</p>
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<p>It'd been more clear about who John Wayne was because he was the older</p>
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<p>older brother.</p>
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<p>It's obvious.</p>
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<p>it's obvious if you're looking at the pictures, but I would have liked to</p>
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<p>have called those out more because his younger brother was always there with</p>
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<p>Yeah, his, he's four years older and his brother will pass</p>
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<p>away nine years before him.</p>
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<p>His brother did serve in the U.</p>
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<p>S.</p>
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<p>Navy.</p>
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<p>So they have a dog named Duke and that is where that nickname</p>
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<p>comes from for John Wayne.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>And so that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:12</time>
<p>And we'll get more into this like his some of his wives would call him Duke</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:16</time>
<p>because that is the more Familiar name because John Wayne is a stage</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:20</time>
<p>name and even his children have the last name Morrison children don't</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:26</time>
<p>have the last name Wayne now they if they are in the movies like Patrick</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:29</time>
<p>Wayne That is again their stage name.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:33</time>
<p>Yes, but their legal names are Morrison.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:36</time>
<p>Yeah, and I had read about how he kind of got the nickname as,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:40</time>
<p>as Duke because, you his dog, right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:44</time>
<p>But his dog would follow him everywhere.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:46</time>
<p>And so they always kind of just became synonymous.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:48</time>
<p>I look, there's the Duke,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:49</time>
<p>Yeah, Little Duke.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:50</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:51</time>
<p>Mm hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:52</time>
<p>and so I just thought that was neat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:53</time>
<p>I mean, it's very Indiana Jones ask, right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:09:56</time>
<p>Because Indiana Jones is his nickname is like, because the dog's name</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>Is Indiana.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:00</time>
<p>Mm hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:01</time>
<p>thought that that was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:03</time>
<p>So, Wayne's father, Clyde, was the son of American Civil War veteran Marion</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:08</time>
<p>Mitchell Morrison, which is why I like to always Say that because my maiden</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:12</time>
<p>name was Mitchell and then his mother Mary Molly Brown was from Nebraska but</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:20</time>
<p>there is a lot of Scottish ancestry there and Irish ancestry there and they come</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:27</time>
<p>from the different isles there where their family has located from but he</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:31</time>
<p>was raised Presbyterian and What I see a lot of is his father's a pharmacist and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:38</time>
<p>they move for his job And so they're in they don't initially they're not from</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:44</time>
<p>Winterset, Iowa They're there because the pharmacy is there and that's where</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:47</time>
<p>the two boys are born and it's shortly after Roberts born that they will move</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:52</time>
<p>to California again for the pharmacy job.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:55</time>
<p>Yeah, so he lived in Winterset for what?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:58</time>
<p>Yeah, like seven years And then they will move to California and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:02</time>
<p>they'll settle in Glendale in 1916?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:06</time>
<p>so that's, I mean, that's my neck of the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:07</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:07</time>
<p>That was Mm-Hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:07</time>
<p>grew up in that kind of greater</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:10</time>
<p>Mm-Hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:11</time>
<p>.And again, his father will work as a pharmacist and he's gonna go to Glendale</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:15</time>
<p>High School and he's gonna do sports and academics, and he doesn't quite have</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:22</time>
<p>the grades to go to the Naval Academy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:24</time>
<p>He applies.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:25</time>
<p>Yes, but he's not accepted because of poor grades, so he goes to USC instead.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:31</time>
<p>That's right, Trojans.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:32</time>
<p>It's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:32</time>
<p>It's so funny.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:33</time>
<p>So while he's at USC, he's six foot four and a half and he plays on the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:39</time>
<p>football team, but he's injured and it's that injury, it's a collarbone injury.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:44</time>
<p>They say what</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:46</time>
<p>I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:46</time>
<p>don't know, but I'm sure someone would</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:48</time>
<p>someone will know.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:50</time>
<p>But he</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:56</time>
<p>But he didn't injure himself playing football.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:00</time>
<p>He injured himself body</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:01</time>
<p>surfing</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:02</time>
<p>but he never wanted to tell his football coach that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:04</time>
<p>academic</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:05</time>
<p>But he loses his academic scholarship, but when he loses</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:07</time>
<p>his scholarship, he has to leave the university and that's when he</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:09</time>
<p>starts working for the movies and starts doing the prop stuff and the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:14</time>
<p>carpentry stuff and moving stuff and catches the eye of John Ford.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:18</time>
<p>So we talked about his movie career.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:22</time>
<p>Last time this is more about his family.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:24</time>
<p>So I want to stress in 1933 He gets married for the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:28</time>
<p>first time at 33 years old.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:31</time>
<p>Yeah, and before we go on to the,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:32</time>
<p>I mean, he's 26</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:34</time>
<p>and before we go on to the end of the marriage thing too, you know, Just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:38</time>
<p>so, so people know when you, especially in that the greater, Hollywood, Los Angeles</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:43</time>
<p>area, it's very common for look for work.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:50</time>
<p>And because Hollywood is such a big industry out there,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:52</time>
<p>there's work to be had, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:54</time>
<p>And USC is right there too far from the Hollywood area and the studios,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:59</time>
<p>you know, Glendale, you know, and so it's not surprising that if he's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:03</time>
<p>looking for work, Did that kind of.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:05</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:06</time>
<p>Sure, I mean, even if you go to the LA area today, people</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:09</time>
<p>always ask, are you in the industry?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:12</time>
<p>And you're like, what?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:13</time>
<p>A.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:14</time>
<p>area today, people always ask, are you in the industry?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:22</time>
<p>Well, you live in the area,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:28</time>
<p>And Hollywood industry, especially at the time in the 1920s, 1930s,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:32</time>
<p>it's a big, like you said, industry of California before California</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:37</time>
<p>becomes more tech, what it is today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:39</time>
<p>It is just an agricultural and Hollywood industry at the time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:43</time>
<p>I mean, Disneyland was the Orange Grove.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:45</time>
<p>Yeah, and that's why I wanted to kind of call that out again,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:50</time>
<p>you would think like, oh, maybe he was pursuing You know, being</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:54</time>
<p>an actor and acting and trying.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:56</time>
<p>That was his way in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:58</time>
<p>He probably wasn't.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:59</time>
<p>He probably initially was just looking for work.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:01</time>
<p>Because that is, that's actually more common than people realize.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:04</time>
<p>And, and I'm more familiar with that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:06</time>
<p>Again, having grown up in that area and known people that work, different parts</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:11</time>
<p>of that industry and actually having know, again, for, for those, if this is</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:15</time>
<p>your first time listening to the show, my great grandfather was a prop you know, so</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:21</time>
<p>he built some big sets and was in charge of building sets for some very, very big</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:25</time>
<p>Rear window</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:26</time>
<p>window,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:27</time>
<p>10 commandments</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:28</time>
<p>10 commandments with Charlton</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:29</time>
<p>greatest show on</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:30</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:30</time>
<p>So, so it was, it's very common out in that area just to kind of set the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
<p>stage, give context to people who might not be from, you know, the West</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:40</time>
<p>sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:46</time>
<p>so his first wife Josephine is the daughter of a Diplomat,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:54</time>
<p>but she is of Spanish descent.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:55</time>
<p>So he's, he's a diplomat from Spain and he meets her and they get married in 1933.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:01</time>
<p>They have four children</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:02</time>
<p>Oh, wow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:03</time>
<p>and these are the four Michael Wayne Mary, Tony Wayne,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:09</time>
<p>Patrick Wayne, Melinda Wayne.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:11</time>
<p>When you see</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:14</time>
<p>Quiet,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:14</time>
<p>Man and you see the four kids sitting in the wagon, those are his children.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:18</time>
<p>Oh, I didn't know</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:19</time>
<p>Those are his four kids.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:21</time>
<p>So Patrick Wayne will go on to have a pretty big movie</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:24</time>
<p>Yeah, I mean, and you've seen him in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:26</time>
<p>Oh, McClintock.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:27</time>
<p>He's been in a lot of movies with him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:29</time>
<p>He'll be in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:31</time>
<p>He's in McClintock.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:32</time>
<p>He's in Big Jake.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:34</time>
<p>So he has a pretty big career.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:36</time>
<p>So he will have four children from his first marriage.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:39</time>
<p>He subsequently will get divorced and marry Esperanza.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:43</time>
<p>She's from Latin America.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:46</time>
<p>He probably wasn't likely had an affair with her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:49</time>
<p>He marries her really on the eve of his divorce from his first wife.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:53</time>
<p>Now they never have children.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:55</time>
<p>They're only married for, I think like four years.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
<p>Yeah, it was very steamy, very volatile No, they're actually</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:03</time>
<p>married for eight years.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:04</time>
<p>She accuses him of a lot of affairs, some are true, some are not.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:09</time>
<p>She's greeted him at the door a couple times with a loaded gun.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:12</time>
<p>So, you can just imagine.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:17</time>
<p>Yeah, I think he likes this kind of, yeah, the flair.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:23</time>
<p>lot of Yeah, I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:24</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:24</time>
<p>So his third wife, again, married on the eve of divorce,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:28</time>
<p>Pilar, will be his last wife.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:31</time>
<p>They will never divorce, although they will separate.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:33</time>
<p>And he has three children with her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:35</time>
<p>So you hear Ayesa Wayne, who's still alive today, John Ethan Wayne, who is named</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:41</time>
<p>after his character from The Searchers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:44</time>
<p>And he's also in the movie Big Jake, plays his grandson, even though he's the son.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:49</time>
<p>And then Marissa Wayne.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:50</time>
<p>So Ayesa Wayne and Marissa Wayne.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:51</time>
<p>Very.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:52</time>
<p>Similar sounding names, but they're all alive today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:55</time>
<p>Only Patrick Wayne is alive of the first four.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:58</time>
<p>And then his three younger ones are still alive</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:01</time>
<p>I don't think that was, that was something I've never really thought</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:04</time>
<p>too much about John Wayne's personal</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:06</time>
<p>Mm hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:07</time>
<p>other than I knew he had some</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:09</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:10</time>
<p>know, Patrick but it's one of those things it's interesting when you learn</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:15</time>
<p>a little bit more about these historical you know, whether they're in the actors</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:21</time>
<p>or kind of, ex presidents or whoever it is, and you learn about like Wait, what</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:27</time>
<p>do you mean first Oh, there was two.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:30</time>
<p>No, no, no, there was three.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:32</time>
<p>It gives you a little bit more kind of more of the picture about the person</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:38</time>
<p>than necessarily the legend that is whoever you're talking about, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:43</time>
<p>And in this case, it's John Wayne.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:45</time>
<p>And, and, you know, not, I'm not trying to bring him down at all, it's just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:50</time>
<p>interesting, you know, as you learn more about these people who really most</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:55</time>
<p>people know and they're, they're very kind of have an emotional attachment to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:59</time>
<p>John Wayne and his movies and because of what he represented and what those</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:04</time>
<p>movies often and the themes often represented, it's always interesting</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:09</time>
<p>to learn a little bit more about the person that's behind the curtain.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:13</time>
<p>Well, I would say John Wayne is, for lack of better</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:17</time>
<p>words, a typical movie star.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:21</time>
<p>Of the time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:22</time>
<p>Because these men of the time, if you think of Clark Gable, if you're thinking</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:25</time>
<p>of, Jimmy Stewart is an anomaly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:28</time>
<p>He will stay married to his one and only wife for his whole life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:31</time>
<p>But there are some who they do have affairs.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:33</time>
<p>They do have different women and it is kind of more acceptable and almost</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:39</time>
<p>like encouraged of leading men because it makes this this draw about them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:46</time>
<p>of the time, too.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:48</time>
<p>I, you know, I don't know if it would be encouraged, but it's not as easily</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:55</time>
<p>compared to things like know, it's, you know, if, if somebody suspected</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:00</time>
<p>something, well, it's hard to, harder to catch someone in the act.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:04</time>
<p>There's no, not everybody has their cell phone in their pocket a camera, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:09</time>
<p>And then to actually publish something and, you know, Hollywood industry</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:12</time>
<p>at the time had a lot of power.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:14</time>
<p>So, that's interesting to kind of, again,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:18</time>
<p>But he's a big family man.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:20</time>
<p>And they even talk about that in the museum.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:23</time>
<p>So big car to get the seven children in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:26</time>
<p>He has a Ship or boat called I would say a small ship called the wild</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:31</time>
<p>goose that he ports in Long Beach.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:34</time>
<p>And he likes to take it out to Catalina and big family guy</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:39</time>
<p>likes to have his kids with him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:40</time>
<p>There's lots of pictures of him selling, debating Christmases</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:43</time>
<p>with all seven children or Easter's with all seven children.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:47</time>
<p>He built the John Wayne tennis club in Newport beach in 1973.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:53</time>
<p>He just was very big into having.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:56</time>
<p>These places to be with his family.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:58</time>
<p>It is now the Palisades Tennis Club.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:00</time>
<p>Club.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:01</time>
<p>So, he's just, he is this guy who really does love his family around him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:06</time>
<p>Now, even though him and Pilar are going to separate in 1973, and he</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:11</time>
<p>lives to 1979, they will never divorce.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:15</time>
<p>And she is very adamant to let people know they never divorced.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:18</time>
<p>Now, he will go on to have a relationship with his personal assistant.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:23</time>
<p>And she writes a book, I think called John Wayne and Me, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:25</time>
<p>I actually read that book.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:27</time>
<p>And if you, and then they became boyfriend, girlfriend, and she,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:34</time>
<p>she took care of him basically towards the end of his life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:36</time>
<p>And if you ever hear what John Wayne's last words were.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:39</time>
<p>It's, of course I know who you are.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:41</time>
<p>You're my girl.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:43</time>
<p>And he was, he said it to her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:44</time>
<p>So</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:45</time>
<p>So he was like, she had come in to check on him in the, in the hospital room.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:50</time>
<p>And she said, do you know who I am?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:51</time>
<p>And he goes, of course I know who you are.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:53</time>
<p>You're my girl.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:54</time>
<p>So that's his last words were to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:56</time>
<p>words were to her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:56</time>
<p>Were to her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:57</time>
<p>Yeah, and that's actually, it's funny because I actually made a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:00</time>
<p>short about that amount of traffic.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:04</time>
<p>I don't think I realized</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:05</time>
<p>Yeah, it was his former secretary, Pat Stacey, and she published a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:09</time>
<p>book called Duke, A Love Story.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:12</time>
<p>And I read that book.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:13</time>
<p>It's, it's fine.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:15</time>
<p>It's good, you know, but it just gives you the background into the end of his life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:23</time>
<p>He also, his hair began to thin in the 1940s.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:27</time>
<p>And he would wear a hairpiece.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:29</time>
<p>So</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:29</time>
<p>you can see this a lot like Frank Sinatra wore a hairpiece.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:33</time>
<p>And different people of the time, again, I think Gene Kelly wore a hairpiece.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:38</time>
<p>And so, there would be pictures of him without his hairpiece on, like,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:42</time>
<p>I think he went to Gary Cooper's funeral without the hairpiece so</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:44</time>
<p>you could see his thinning hair.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:46</time>
<p>And then when he was at Harvard, he had gone there, they do the those awards,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:51</time>
<p>what are they called, the Lampoon Awards, where they kind of, the Razzies.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:55</time>
<p>aNd they were making fun of him for some role and John Wayne took</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:00</time>
<p>pride in accepting the award.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:01</time>
<p>He showed up in a tank and it was really great.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:04</time>
<p>He really like embodied you know, being a part of this persona.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:08</time>
<p>And they asked him about.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:10</time>
<p>The hair is a true your toupee is real hair and he responded.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:14</time>
<p>Well, sir.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:15</time>
<p>That's real hair.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:16</time>
<p>Not mine, but real hair.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:18</time>
<p>Oh, so he, so he wasn't afraid to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:20</time>
<p>No, no, he actually and they say a lot that Duke's personality and sense of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:25</time>
<p>humor is very close to what people would see in the big screen when he was joking</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:30</time>
<p>is really that's kind of who he was.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:32</time>
<p>So, yeah, towards the end of his life, he will get cancer</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:36</time>
<p>and he's the one who they think.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:38</time>
<p>coined the term the big C.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:40</time>
<p>So that's what he would call it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:41</time>
<p>The big C.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:42</time>
<p>He had lung cancer, and then he had one of his lungs removed and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:46</time>
<p>two ribs removed right before he shot The Sons of Katie Elder.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:49</time>
<p>And we talked about this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:51</time>
<p>He wanted to do his own stunts in The Sons of Katie Elder.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:53</time>
<p>And if you watch that movie, he's kind of dragged through like a river.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:57</time>
<p>And he ends up getting, not a river, like a stream, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:59</time>
<p>he ends up getting pneumonia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:01</time>
<p>And with the one lung, he was very close to being close to death there,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:05</time>
<p>but he was so adamant that he could still do all these stunts that he really</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:11</time>
<p>put his life in jeopardy during that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:14</time>
<p>Then towards the end of his life in 1979, the cancer had come back and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:18</time>
<p>he had volunteered to do a study, a volunteer study, and he had checked</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:23</time>
<p>himself into the hospital there in L.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:25</time>
<p>A.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:26</time>
<p>for the study.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:27</time>
<p>And he ends up passing away there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:29</time>
<p>And his, he actually passes away in June of 1979, actually June 11th,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:34</time>
<p>1979, our daughter's birthday.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:36</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:37</time>
<p>And but he will appear at the Oscars that year.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:40</time>
<p>So that's his last public appearance.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:41</time>
<p>So in earlier in the year, you, that's the last time you will see John Wayne.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:46</time>
<p>And he's a lot different.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:48</time>
<p>He's a lot thinner.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:50</time>
<p>And for a six foot four and a half man, who was always pretty.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:54</time>
<p>Big and to see him then it was just a, a, a change but he, you know,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:01</time>
<p>he ends up, you know, leaving the wild goose, docked in Newport beach.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:06</time>
<p>It's listed on the U S registry of historic places.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:09</time>
<p>There's a lot of pictures of him with that boat or ship.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:14</time>
<p>He really did enjoy</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:14</time>
<p>there was, there was a lot in the, movie part of things.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:18</time>
<p>They, they show a lot of, a lot of pictures of him on, on the boat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:24</time>
<p>That's kind of how I always pictured him as well as as someone, not</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:28</time>
<p>only, you know, the movie star, but when not making out there making</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:33</time>
<p>movies, like you said, a family man who's out there doing stuff, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:38</time>
<p>He's out there fishing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:39</time>
<p>He's out there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:40</time>
<p>You know, hunting doing all those kinds of things.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:44</time>
<p>I mean, I, that's why I kind of find it amusing that he hurt his</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:46</time>
<p>knee while he was in college body</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:48</time>
<p>in college</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:49</time>
<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:49</time>
<p>Because here's a, here's a guy just like anything at the time, like, you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:52</time>
<p>know, in the, in that era, you're not sitting around watching TV all the time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:56</time>
<p>You're, you're out there doing stuff and that's kind of, that's who he was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:00</time>
<p>and, and he really did embody that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:06</time>
<p>There's been some controversy around John Wayne.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:09</time>
<p>The Playboy interview is probably the biggest one where he was interviewed</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:13</time>
<p>for Playboy 1971 and he was talking in support of Vietnam and he made it very</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:18</time>
<p>clear that he was in support of Vietnam.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:20</time>
<p>He also talked about he believed in white supremacy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:26</time>
<p>And he says, I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:30</time>
<p>to the point of responsibility.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:32</time>
<p>And so he felt, and I don't know exactly how he felt, but what he says</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:37</time>
<p>here and how I interpret it is that it's a white person's responsibility</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:43</time>
<p>to educate and bring up the, the people who have been oppressed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:51</time>
<p>And he.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:55</time>
<p>almost feels like he believes until, until people can be to the point of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:59</time>
<p>being educated and to hand it over That the white supremacy is more like white</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:06</time>
<p>Responsibility is what I read from this and I'm not trying to make excuses for</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:10</time>
<p>him, but that's how I'm reading his</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:12</time>
<p>words</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:13</time>
<p>of the things, right, as we kind of joked about in the beginning,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:17</time>
<p>I'm not the history guy, but I've married into the history world.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:21</time>
<p>And one of the things that I've seen, you know, from some of these historic</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:28</time>
<p>know, like John, like the John Waynes and, and like some others, you know,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:31</time>
<p>that, that are much more controversial.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:33</time>
<p>A lot of times, Again, I'll say the way that I interpret it from what I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:38</time>
<p>see and what they say or what they're trying to is they don't necessarily have</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:43</time>
<p>the vocabulary that we have developed, however many years later today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:49</time>
<p>I'd say, you know, society today is a lot better educated when it comes</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:54</time>
<p>to talking about race and talking about, you know, past enslavement and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:58</time>
<p>kind of, know, those things evolve.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:01</time>
<p>I mean, we even joke about Who is it that you visited when you were</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:04</time>
<p>out in Mississippi, Emmett Till?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:06</time>
<p>Till, oh my, Miss Heron?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:09</time>
<p>Miss Heron.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:10</time>
<p>Mm hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:10</time>
<p>right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:10</time>
<p>And so, people use the language that they grew up and were taught</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:17</time>
<p>and You kind of really have to take the see what they right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:24</time>
<p>And again, unless they say, unless they write down somewhere or they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:27</time>
<p>say how they feel, you kind of have to interpret a little bit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:30</time>
<p>But again, a lot of times they just don't have the language.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:34</time>
<p>That we would have, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:35</time>
<p>Take John Wayne and transport him 50 years into the future to today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:40</time>
<p>And he may have said that in a much more, by today's today's through, in a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:47</time>
<p>much more socially acceptable manner.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:49</time>
<p>Right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:50</time>
<p>Again, you and I are very much interpreting here.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:53</time>
<p>But you have to remember that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:55</time>
<p>You</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:55</time>
<p>have to remember that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:55</time>
<p>And so I always look for people said this and what did they do, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:01</time>
<p>And so John Wayne on the set of The Searchers, if you think of the American</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:05</time>
<p>Indian woman on The Searchers who plays the bride of the boy, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:11</time>
<p>She was, John Wayne found her crying on set and he was like,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:14</time>
<p>what are you upset about?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:15</time>
<p>And she goes, I'm going to miss my son's graduation from high school.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:19</time>
<p>John Wayne shut down the set and flew her back to LA so she</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:23</time>
<p>could attend his graduation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:25</time>
<p>So he, I don't think And again, I, I think, like you said, people don't have</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:31</time>
<p>the words in the 1970s, even today people are still looking for the right way to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:35</time>
<p>express themselves with clear words, because really finding the right word</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:40</time>
<p>for a feeling is a difficult thing to do.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:44</time>
<p>I think with John Wayne, I think his heart is in the right place for me</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:48</time>
<p>when I base it on his actions than what he's trying to say or interpret</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:53</time>
<p>or in one interview, one time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:56</time>
<p>And this is what Patrick Wayne kind of gets into after this after this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:00</time>
<p>interview resurfaces again, and in 2019 people want to change the John</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:04</time>
<p>Wayne airport and his son defends him saying it would be an injustice to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:09</time>
<p>judge someone based on an interview that's being taken out of context.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:13</time>
<p>and, and that's what you and I really try hard to do is paint the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:18</time>
<p>picture and give you the context, you the listener that's listening to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:21</time>
<p>this We try to give you the context and we try to frame it in such a way.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:27</time>
<p>That we're not laying in one way or the other, but we, we, we try to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:31</time>
<p>really understand what it was like back then and also identify the lens</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:36</time>
<p>that we view things through now.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:38</time>
<p>If you can identify that, you're, you're going to understand history a lot better.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:43</time>
<p>You're going to understand what these historic figures are saying in public,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:48</time>
<p>in interviews, in whatever letters they write much better if you understand one.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:29:54</time>
<p>The glasses that we look at things and two, the context</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:29:59</time>
<p>And like I said, I like to tell you what people said, I also</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:01</time>
<p>like to tell you what people did.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:03</time>
<p>Again, you can make up your mind of how you feel about John Wayne, and you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:07</time>
<p>can tell us in the comments if how you feel about him, because I know people</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:11</time>
<p>have different feelings about him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:13</time>
<p>But for the most part, what I want you to know and understand is as a historian,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:18</time>
<p>our job, and my job, when I talk to people like Miss Heron, who It was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:24</time>
<p>brought up in the times of Mississippi.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:25</time>
<p>I want to understand where they're coming from.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:28</time>
<p>Start to pose the questions and get in their mind.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:30</time>
<p>And when you really start to change hearts, you really have to understand</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:35</time>
<p>where someone's coming from.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:37</time>
<p>And if you really want Change.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:40</time>
<p>And if that's what we want in this world is to change people</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:43</time>
<p>and use history as a catalyst.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:45</time>
<p>So don't repeat history.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:48</time>
<p>Don't do the same things as stories.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:49</time>
<p>If we want to use history as a catalyst, then we really have to treat</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:53</time>
<p>people with respect where they're at, understand where they're coming</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:30:57</time>
<p>from and really empathize and then start to pull, ask questions and get.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:05</time>
<p>change of heart if, if that's what we're looking for.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:09</time>
<p>So again, as a historian, I, you know, and I love John Wayne.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:13</time>
<p>I wanted to talk about his family, his love of his family, and I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:16</time>
<p>wanted to paint the picture.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:17</time>
<p>Three wives, seven kids, and had this playboy interview, acted differently</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:23</time>
<p>in real life, and part of his grave when he finally passes away.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:30</time>
<p>July and June of 1979 he's buried at Pacific View Memorial Park and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:37</time>
<p>he has not an ornate tombstone.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:39</time>
<p>We've talked about this before he's buried in the same Cemetery as</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:43</time>
<p>Jimmy Stewart not far actually away from Jimmy Stewart flat tombstone.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:47</time>
<p>Nothing even that's It sticks out out of the ground and it says tomorrow</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:52</time>
<p>comes clean with no mistakes in it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:55</time>
<p>And we hope that we have learned something from yesterday to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:31:59</time>
<p>do our best for tomorrow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:01</time>
<p>And that is from the same interview.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:04</time>
<p>So I'm just putting it out there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:05</time>
<p>That is what's on this tombstone.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:07</time>
<p>That's the same interview.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:08</time>
<p>And here I hear what I hear when I hear this is someone who is admits that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:32:13</time>
<p>they are still learning and not always</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:17</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:17</time>
<p>And that's, that's incredibly important.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:20</time>
<p>And again, we've seen that a couple of times.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:22</time>
<p>We've talked about some controversial things.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:26</time>
<p>Will say or do and, and later in life, they, you see their actions change</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:32</time>
<p>that support, What you would assume is, is them learning and them accepting</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:38</time>
<p>and coming what we today would So</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:49</time>
<p>we've had the privilege of delving deep into the life and legacy of John Wayne,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:53</time>
<p>right from the heart of Winterset, Iowa, where it all It's incredible how</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:32:58</time>
<p>a small house in a quiet town can be the birthplace of a Hollywood legend.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:03</time>
<p>As we've explored the life of John Wayne, we also uncovered the deep</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:06</time>
<p>connections between his early years and the unforgettable characters portrayed</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:10</time>
<p>on the We hope you've enjoyed this journey through time and cinema as</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:15</time>
<p>we've enjoyed it bringing it to you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:17</time>
<p>If you found this episode as fascinating as we did, please take a moment to</p>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:20</time>
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<time>00:33:24</time>
<p>friends, family, and fellow . History.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:26</time>
<p>and film And remember the John Wayne Birthplace Home in Winterset, Iowa is</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:30</time>
<p>not just a It's a symbol and testament to the power of dreams, determination,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:36</time>
<p>and the enduring appeal of storytelling.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:39</time>
<p>Thank you for listening to the Talk with History podcast.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:41</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:44</time>
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<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:49</time>
<p>We'll talk to you next</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:50</time>
<p>next time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:33:50</time>
<p>Thank</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:33:51</time>
<p>you.</p>
<p></p>
<p></p>