Historic Jamestown History and Travel Tips

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<p>Sorry, you just gave me such a hard time about asking that yesterday.</p>
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<p>Welcome to Talk With History.</p>
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<p>I'm your host, Scott, here with my wife and historian, Jen.</p>
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<p>On this podcast, we give you insights to our history inspired world travels,</p>
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<p>with the curious, the explorers, and the history lovers out there.</p>
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<p>Now, Jen, we're recording this a couple of weeks before it's going to</p>
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<p>be released, but a couple of days ago, it looks like we just got a new review.</p>
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<p>We got a five, five star review from someone, and we were talking about</p>
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<p>this just before we hit record.</p>
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<p>Cause I, I've said multiple times, Hey, leave me a five star review,</p>
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<p>whether it be positive or negative, I'll take a five star review.</p>
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<p>And someone left us a negative five star review.</p>
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<p>And so I'm going to read it here real quick.</p>
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<p>I won't, their, their handle is someone61450.</p>
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<p>You can go and see it if you're curious and you can look it up in Apple Podcasts.</p>
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<p>But the, it's five stars, so thank you for that.</p>
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<p>The title is Misstep.</p>
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<p>So I guess this person had listened to our Loretta Lynn podcast episode.</p>
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<p>It says, Loretta Lynn builds hurricane mills, not hills.</p>
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<p>So this person commented, The background music is very overwhelming</p>
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<p>and not relatable at all.</p>
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<p>It mentions something about a trumpet, which I'm, I'm kind of</p>
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<p>confused because we use a lot of bluegrass music in, in that episode.</p>
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<p>So I'll go back and re listen to it.</p>
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<p>You do a fabulous job with the history and a five star podcast, but this</p>
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<p>episode falls very, very short for me.</p>
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<p>There's a lot more Loretta that is missed and having just</p>
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<p>gotten home from this area.</p>
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<p>I'm unsure if you can do the Hatfield McCoy's justice, if</p>
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<p>this is all you produced for her.</p>
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<p>So that's, I'll always take all sorts of feedback, you and I were just joking</p>
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<p>that you get all sorts of feedback when it comes to the YouTube channel</p>
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<p>a lot, so you're getting used to it.</p>
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<p>But this person kind of brings up a good point that we didn't, not a good</p>
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<p>point, but a point that we didn't go deep into the Loretta Lynn history.</p>
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<p>and I want to stress.</p>
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<p>If that's what you're looking for, yeah, that's a, that's a fair review</p>
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<p>because we don't go into Loretta Lynn history, we, and we won't talk</p>
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<p>specifically about Loretta Lynn's career.</p>
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<p>This podcast is a location, historical location podcast.</p>
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<p>So we're going to go into the history of the location.</p>
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<p>So we talk about Loretta Lynn's birthplace, we talk about her in</p>
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<p>where she grew up and then getting married and then leaving the area.</p>
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<p>So we really don't go much into her career because her career really</p>
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<p>wasn't started anywhere in the area where her with her cabin is.</p>
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<p>And he's right.</p>
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<p>She does build a ranch in Tennessee.</p>
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<p>And I must have mispronounced it.</p>
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<p>But that the ranch Hurricane Mills is, the ranch she builds in Tennessee.</p>
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<p>And that's the longevity of her career.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>the things, too, is the, it's not that we haven't gone into depth</p>
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<p>on certain people, but it's oftentimes when we go to a location, like a</p>
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<p>museum, John Wayne Museum, Abraham Lincoln Museum, that is a location</p>
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<p>fully about the history of that person.</p>
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<p>And so that's, those are the times when we typically will dive deep into a person's</p>
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<p>Sure.</p>
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<p>And we, we center it more on the artifacts in the museum.</p>
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<p>So we'll talk about their life with that artifact.</p>
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<p>Or if I'm going to talk about Washington crossing, I'm going to talk about</p>
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<p>George Washington at the time in 1776.</p>
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<p>So I'm not going to talk, I never will talk entirely about one person's life.</p>
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<p>I will not talk about George Washington's entire life, but if I'm at a location,</p>
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<p>Mount Vernon, I'll talk about the time span he spent at that location.</p>
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<p>And probably some lead up and some after, which is what we did for Loretta Lynn.</p>
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<p>And so I hope he gives us another listen.</p>
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<p>Please listen to Hatfield's McCoys.</p>
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<p>We are going to go location by location that we visited and some</p>
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<p>that we weren't able to make it out to because they were pretty far out.</p>
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<p>But we're going to give it.</p>
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<p>The location by location history as we go.</p>
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<p>And that's really what this podcast</p>
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<p>Yeah, and again, I just appreciate the someone reaching out via</p>
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<p>a, a podcast review that to me that's more valuable than anything else.</p>
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<p>And, and for whoever someone 61450 is I really do appreciate it, whether</p>
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<p>it's, and I'll go back and listen to the, to the episode again to kind</p>
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<p>of listen to the music because I can adjust that stuff after the fact.</p>
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<p>That's the one nice thing about podcasting.</p>
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<p>So positive or negative, it's a five star review.</p>
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<p>It's valuable, valuable feedback and we really do appreciate</p>
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<p>Yes, thank you.</p>
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<p>Situated along the banks of the James River in Virginia,</p>
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<p>Jamestown holds a special place in the tapestry of American history.</p>
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<p>Established in 1607, it was the first permanent English settlement in the New</p>
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<p>World, but visiting this living museum requires more than just a curious spirit.</p>
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<p>It demands a strategic approach and a keen eye for historical detail.</p>
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<p>So grab your tricorn hats and Buckle up your shoes as we embark on a virtual</p>
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<p>journey to Jamestown, uncovering the tips and tricks that will enhance</p>
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<p>your visit and transport you back to the dawn of American history.</p>
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<p>So, Jen, the title of this podcast episode is pretty obvious, so</p>
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<p>let's talk about Jamestown.</p>
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<p>So Jamestown It's part of that historic triangle here in Virginia,</p>
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<p>and so if you're here visiting Colonial Williamsburg or Yorktown,</p>
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<p>you're going to want to hit Jamestown.</p>
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<p>It's part of that nice little triangle.</p>
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<p>They have a Colonial Parkway that connects all three, makes it easy</p>
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<p>for you to drive to, and it is a big part of American history.</p>
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<p>So you're getting the very first permanent English settlement at Jamestown.</p>
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<p>And then of course you're going to get Yorktown for the American</p>
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<p>revolution and you're going to get Colonial Williamsburg that kind of</p>
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<p>is the gap between the two of them.</p>
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<p>So you're getting a nice part of the birth of America in this historic</p>
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<p>Yeah, and it really was one of the first places because we</p>
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<p>live, less than an hour away that we ventured out to when we were, when</p>
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<p>we moved here a couple years ago.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>So we did not know what.</p>
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<p>You're visiting when you're visiting Jamestown and when you put things into</p>
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<p>the GPS Jamestown Two locations pop up and we thought they were the same thing.</p>
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<p>So Jamestown Settlement will pop up and Jamestown Visitor Center will pop up.</p>
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<p>And a lot like Williamsburg, which we had been to before, we thought,</p>
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<p>Oh, the Visitor Center must just be the place you go visit before</p>
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<p>you go to the Jamestown Settlement.</p>
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<p>So we thought they were in conjunction with each other and they are to</p>
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<p>some extent, but they are really.</p>
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<p>two entirely separate locations and you do want to go to both.</p>
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<p>and they actually even and we'll talk about this more later that we found</p>
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<p>out because we just visited last weekend they actually just kind of even separate.</p>
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<p>I'll say separated just a smidge more.</p>
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<p>So there's actually a little bit more.</p>
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<p>It's brand new as of 2024.</p>
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<p>Brand, brand new things that you need to consider when you are visiting because</p>
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<p>it's different even than the, the first time we went, about three years ago.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>So the national park service, and we'll get more into the</p>
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<p>used to run the visitor center.</p>
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<p>And so if you had a national park pass, just like going to Yorktown,</p>
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<p>you could get in for free and you could walk into the whole.</p>
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<p>preservation site, the archeological site, the original site of the</p>
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<p>Jamestown colony, the James Fort.</p>
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<p>Now it has been separated into a Preservation Virginia group that has</p>
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<p>basically circumvented the whole original site because they are actively digging.</p>
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<p>And because they are actively digging, they are asked, they</p>
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<p>require an entrance fee, which is pretty steep for family five.</p>
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<p>And even though they, they really push that their nonprofit, which I 100 percent</p>
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<p>agree that they probably are, they do need those funds to fund their dig.</p>
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<p>So we'll, we'll go back into that site a little bit more.</p>
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<p>If we were going to tell someone, recommend to someone,</p>
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<p>hey, where should we start?</p>
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<p>Well, let's, let's start there as far as recommending.</p>
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<p>If, if you're listening to this and you want some tips and tricks to</p>
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<p>visit, where should someone start?</p>
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<p>Definitely, if you only have one day and four hours or three</p>
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<p>hours, go to the Jamestown settlement.</p>
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<p>That is the museum, it is the recreation, it is the place where you can walk through</p>
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<p>what that original colony look like, and what the original Powhatan village</p>
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<p>looked like, the original first peoples that the English colonists encountered.</p>
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<p>And it has a recreation of all three ships that came over.</p>
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<p>Plus, it's an amazing museum with artifacts and tells a great story.</p>
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<p>really good.</p>
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<p>It's incredibly kid friendly.</p>
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<p>There's lots of stuff both indoors and outdoors and we'll talk</p>
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<p>a little bit more about that.</p>
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<p>So when you're putting it into the, your maps app of choice, you're putting in</p>
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<p>Jamestown Settlement.</p>
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<p>Settlement.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>And that's the museum.</p>
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<p>That's the museum.</p>
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<p>So the Jamestown Settlement is the museum you want to go</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>So in 1957, it was the 350th anniversary of Jamestown.</p>
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<p>Think, they landed in 1607.</p>
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<p>So they decided to put all this money into building a site to educate people on what</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:08</time>
<p>Jamestown was and, and what it looked like and what those original ships look like.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:13</time>
<p>So that's when they built everything, the museum.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:17</time>
<p>The recreation of the James Fort, the recreation of the Powhatan Village,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:22</time>
<p>and the recreation of the three ships.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:23</time>
<p>And so for that anniversary, Vice President Nixon was</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:27</time>
<p>there, Queen Elizabeth II came.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:29</time>
<p>That was a big deal.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:31</time>
<p>And, they, the fort is amazing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:34</time>
<p>If you ever saw the Jamestown miniseries that they had made for</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:37</time>
<p>a while, it looks just like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:38</time>
<p>It recreates what that fort looked like from 1607 to 1614.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:43</time>
<p>So just a few outbuildings that they had, the church, that recreation of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:49</time>
<p>that church there is the second church from 1610 that Pocahontas is married in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:55</time>
<p>Oh, so that's, that's the recreation</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:57</time>
<p>the recreation of that church that we stand in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:00</time>
<p>in the other</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:01</time>
<p>at the other spot, the actual archaeological site.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:03</time>
<p>We stood there, we have a picture of us standing there, but that's a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:07</time>
<p>recreation of where they were married.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:09</time>
<p>So you can see what it would have looked like.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:11</time>
<p>Yeah, and I will say at the Jamestown Settlement, again, this</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:14</time>
<p>is the, where we are recommending you would start if you, if you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:17</time>
<p>had to pick one, pick this one.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:19</time>
<p>Going into the museum itself, it is, it is full blown, almost,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:25</time>
<p>Disney level type experience.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:28</time>
<p>It's, it's very, very good.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:30</time>
<p>Very worth going.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:31</time>
<p>And it walks you through the way the land has changed since being settled.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:38</time>
<p>So from 1607 on how it's kind of trend, the colony has transformed</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:43</time>
<p>and building and the the different types of crops planted and what</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:47</time>
<p>has happened to the people there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:49</time>
<p>And it had, they have interactive games you can play with your children,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:53</time>
<p>which I really appreciated with the kids, kind of kept them involved.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:56</time>
<p>And then you can walk through recreations of what a street in London looked like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:01</time>
<p>that the, the, the colonists were leaving or What the houses look like that they had</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:06</time>
<p>built there, what a typical house would look like for a plant or a farmer, what a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:10</time>
<p>typical house would look like for a power 10 first people, what a typical house</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:14</time>
<p>would look like for an enslaved person.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:16</time>
<p>So you got to see those, those three different home styles</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:20</time>
<p>and then lots of artifacts.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:23</time>
<p>And that was really nice to see how they lived and what was going on because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:30</time>
<p>this is the first permanent settlement.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:33</time>
<p>So this is 1607.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:34</time>
<p>We've done Roanoke, which is 1585.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:38</time>
<p>So you kind of think 20.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:40</time>
<p>20 plus years later, they're trying this again.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:43</time>
<p>They keep coming over and it's just not</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:46</time>
<p>Yeah, they're like, there's land there, we're gonna figure this out.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:50</time>
<p>And this is the time it actually works, but they actually</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:53</time>
<p>go through another starving period.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:54</time>
<p>And we'll, we'll talk more into that where they almost don't make it again,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:58</time>
<p>but this time it actually sticks.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:59</time>
<p>And what is really cool is they have the three ships.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:10</time>
<p>So when the ships came over, there was three with, they had the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:14</time>
<p>hundred and four colonists, all men.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:18</time>
<p>came over on the Susan Constant, the Godspeed and the Discovery.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:23</time>
<p>And they've recreated those three ships so you can see them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:26</time>
<p>You can walk on</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:27</time>
<p>You can walk on board and they're fantastic.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:30</time>
<p>I mean, our kids, again, they didn't really remember too</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:32</time>
<p>much from their first visit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:33</time>
<p>So they wanted to kind of go do all the stuff again.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:35</time>
<p>And we tend to, we've each time we've gone, we've kind of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:38</time>
<p>gone, it's a little bit cooler.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:39</time>
<p>But even, even in the wintertime, it's still nice enough that for</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:43</time>
<p>the most part, you can go out there and the ships are great.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:46</time>
<p>They're good size or recreated.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:47</time>
<p>Well, I think the one guy was telling us like, they still kind of take them out</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:51</time>
<p>They still sail them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:52</time>
<p>They're still seaworthy and they, they recreate what it</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:55</time>
<p>was like to sail in the 1600s.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:57</time>
<p>So they're going to leave London 20th, 1606.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:04</time>
<p>And then they take the Southern route.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:07</time>
<p>Through the West Indies, basically all, the Virgin Islands, the, what</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:10</time>
<p>we know today is the Caribbean.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:11</time>
<p>And then they come up the Southern part of America and then settle in Virginia.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:16</time>
<p>I remember the Spanish are in Florida.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:18</time>
<p>So they, that's kind of why that route is kind of the favored route, plus</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:22</time>
<p>with sea currents and things like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:25</time>
<p>And they're going to pick the, the area to Jamestown.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:31</time>
<p>settlement May 14th, 1607.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:33</time>
<p>So it takes about five months.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:36</time>
<p>And so you can imagine these three ships, the, the Susan Constance, the big</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:41</time>
<p>one, it has about 70 colonists on it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:44</time>
<p>And John Smith is on that ship.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:48</time>
<p>And, and it's not as big as you would think.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:51</time>
<p>not, when you think of 70 men on there, I mean, the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:55</time>
<p>captain's Christopher Newport.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:56</time>
<p>So when you think of Newport News,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:57</time>
<p>don't remember how long it was, but it wasn't like, it wasn't a very long</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:02</time>
<p>No, it's not.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:03</time>
<p>And they're,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:03</time>
<p>Like it's, it's, I guarantee you, if you're listening to this podcast,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:07</time>
<p>picture a ship in your mind that you think they sailed across the ocean.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:10</time>
<p>It's probably 20 feet shorter than that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:12</time>
<p>yeah, it was, the keel length is 55</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:17</time>
<p>Yeah, so that that is not long at all like when I was in college I did kind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:22</time>
<p>of some summer training stuff that the Navy kind of had us do and so I I I picked</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:27</time>
<p>You know being on a 44 foot sailboat and I was on there with I think eight</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:31</time>
<p>people and it was still pretty cramped</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:33</time>
<p>They say from bow to stern, it's 116 feet.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:37</time>
<p>Yeah, now they do have it's It's much kind of deeper and more</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:43</time>
<p>much more built up than you know The sailboat that I was kind of hanging</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:45</time>
<p>out on for a couple weeks when I was in college But 70 men and it's men only</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:50</time>
<p>only</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:50</time>
<p>And I think the women came over how much later</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:01</time>
<p>they had servant women come over relatively quickly after.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:06</time>
<p>so it wasn't like multiple years</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:09</time>
<p>women came over.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:12</time>
<p>Pretty much right away, probably within the next year, but they didn't</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:14</time>
<p>have, they didn't, they weren't coming over in a capacity to be wives.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:20</time>
<p>They didn't have wives come for another five years where they</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:23</time>
<p>actually sent women over to marry the colonists and be their wives.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:28</time>
<p>So they came over as wives like pick them pick one and let's start</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:32</time>
<p>to have kids like so they were settling they're settling the area.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:38</time>
<p>So they had women come over as servants, right and and Maids and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:43</time>
<p>cooks and things of that nature.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:45</time>
<p>So you do get women there in that capacity, but not You know not a lot of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:51</time>
<p>yeah, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:53</time>
<p>Again, the ships are great.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:54</time>
<p>That's one of those outdoor things.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:56</time>
<p>Now, to get to the ships,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:58</time>
<p>So you go to the museum and you do have to pay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:01</time>
<p>It is, it is a museum that you, you pay to get in and for family five, it wasn't too</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:07</time>
<p>I think it's 50</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:07</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:08</time>
<p>And then again, it's walking you through the years and it's very interactive.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:12</time>
<p>Then you walk outside and you're going to walk through the Powhatan village first.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:16</time>
<p>So the first people they encounter.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:18</time>
<p>And usually there's a couple reenactors in there and you get to see their</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:22</time>
<p>huts, how they built their huts with the wood that they would bend</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:27</time>
<p>And these, these are full scale.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:28</time>
<p>scale.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:29</time>
<p>And then they show you how they weave together the cat tail</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:32</time>
<p>spines and made kind of like.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:36</time>
<p>And the mats laid over the wood and that's how they made their housing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:41</time>
<p>And I mean, they have people kind of in kind of a full Native American</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:45</time>
<p>regalia sitting by a fire and they're either cooking something or they're making</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:49</time>
<p>something like they're, and you can go up there and kind of interact with them just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:52</time>
<p>like you would at Colonial Williamsburg.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:54</time>
<p>Ask them questions.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:55</time>
<p>And how, what did you eat?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:56</time>
<p>What did you do?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:57</time>
<p>What, what jobs did you have?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:59</time>
<p>And they have a big kind of cooking center where the big fire would be in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:02</time>
<p>the middle and they have kind of store places where they had like goods stored.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:06</time>
<p>And they even had a game section where the kids and I could throw basically</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:10</time>
<p>arrows without a point on it through hoops and from there you walk to Fort James</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:16</time>
<p>or James Fort and the James Fort again is from 1607 to 1614 so that early fort</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:22</time>
<p>If you're listening, picture, think you're reading a history</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:25</time>
<p>book in high school and picture the fort with kind of wooden fence all</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:29</time>
<p>around it and the buildings inside.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:31</time>
<p>That's what it looks</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:32</time>
<p>yeah and for protection and then Just a couple buildings, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:38</time>
<p>You have the church, you have a storehouse, and you have a baker,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:45</time>
<p>a big bakery, a big blacksmith location, and then basically it's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:49</time>
<p>just housing, lodging for people, but again, reenactors and reenactors.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:54</time>
<p>They have animals out there, chickens.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:56</time>
<p>My kids were very excited about the chickens.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:58</time>
<p>And they show you how they cooked and how they, what they ate.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:02</time>
<p>And you can walk into the church and see what that would have looked like.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:06</time>
<p>was really</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:06</time>
<p>It actually was really cool.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:08</time>
<p>And you get to see how they stored their goods and what</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:11</time>
<p>kind of goods that they have.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:12</time>
<p>So that's really neat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:13</time>
<p>And then from that path, it leads you to the three ships because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:17</time>
<p>it leads you to the waterway and they're, they're pulled off.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:19</time>
<p>They're pulled out off beside the pier.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:25</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:26</time>
<p>Again, very family friendly.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:29</time>
<p>You know visit kind of morning or afternoon you could do a full day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:34</time>
<p>I think it's more of a half day type thing</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:36</time>
<p>That's what I think.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:38</time>
<p>Honestly, really no matter what time of year unless it's like snowing</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:40</time>
<p>or raining but indoor activities outdoor activities The kids love the whole</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:45</time>
<p>Powhatan area because these are full sized It's kind of huts that they've,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:49</time>
<p>they've built and so you can go in, it's like a little fort and then you go on the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:53</time>
<p>ships and the kids are climbing around.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:55</time>
<p>So it's a really great area.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:57</time>
<p>Highly recommend visiting this place first.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:00</time>
<p>and they have a great food court.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:02</time>
<p>So for the kids to grab a snack and have a really great gift shop.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:06</time>
<p>So two cool things that kind of gifts that you wouldn't find everywhere else</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:11</time>
<p>and looking for very nautical themes or early American history kind of themes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:17</time>
<p>It was very cool.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:23</time>
<p>Now from, from here we can go to the actual site.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:29</time>
<p>We would say if you're going to do a full day in the Greater Jamestown</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:32</time>
<p>area, you go to the settlement where the museum is kind of first, and then</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:38</time>
<p>you're going to go to the visitor center.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:39</time>
<p>And this visitor center, this is the one this is the National Park one.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:43</time>
<p>Yes, this is historic.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:44</time>
<p>Jamestown visitor center.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:46</time>
<p>And the reason why it's not as much to see there, they do have a museum.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:52</time>
<p>It's not as large as the Jamestown settlement.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:55</time>
<p>It's not It's kid friendly, interactive, it's more traditional, but it's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:00</time>
<p>cool to see, to be in the actual space of the recreations you just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:05</time>
<p>Yeah, they've got a lot more actual artifacts</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:07</time>
<p>Yes, and they're, they're finding the real artifacts to tell the story.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:12</time>
<p>And so, It's not as fun for the kids, although they have the cool statue of John</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:17</time>
<p>Smith there and it is right on the water.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:19</time>
<p>So that's kind of neat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:19</time>
<p>But that is the actual site run by the National Park Service.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:23</time>
<p>So if you were looking for your junior ranger badge like Madison or your stamps</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:26</time>
<p>for your stamp book, those are all there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:28</time>
<p>They also have a gift shop too.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:29</time>
<p>It's not as, not as many items in there as the one at Jamestown</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:33</time>
<p>settlement, but still cool.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:36</time>
<p>I definitely.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:37</time>
<p>If you just want to go to the National Park Service side, which is visiting</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:44</time>
<p>that visitor center and seeing Jamestown later years, which is like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:51</time>
<p>1700s on another side of the site,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:56</time>
<p>it Newtown.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:58</time>
<p>you can visit that all for free.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:59</time>
<p>With your national park pass or the small entrance</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:03</time>
<p>Yeah, but the, but the,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:04</time>
<p>but you're not seeing the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:05</time>
<p>seeing the actual location.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:07</time>
<p>So the actual location, it probably covers what Maybe a couple acres,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:11</time>
<p>and it's right on the water</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:13</time>
<p>It's right on the water and it's the actual site of the fort.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:17</time>
<p>It's where they actually built that fort.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:19</time>
<p>It's where they actually built that church.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:21</time>
<p>It's if you want to actually stand where Pocahontas married John</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:25</time>
<p>Ralph, like that is the location.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:27</time>
<p>If you,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:28</time>
<p>they have active digs going on there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:29</time>
<p>So if you've got kids that are really into that, it would be, that would</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:34</time>
<p>be one thing that's pretty cool.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:41</time>
<p>it was designated at the historic site in 1940.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:44</time>
<p>So again, these things are relatively mid 1900s, where they really</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:49</time>
<p>started to take notice and, and want to preserve their history.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:54</time>
<p>They have had, active digs.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:56</time>
<p>They have an active dig now.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:57</time>
<p>As I said before, this is the first permanent English</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:59</time>
<p>settlement, May 13th, 1607.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:02</time>
<p>From 1609 to 1610, they had this lack of food and supply, so</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:06</time>
<p>they call it the starving time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:09</time>
<p>And only 60 colonists survived the starving time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:12</time>
<p>And so what you find there is they have found the graveyards.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:16</time>
<p>They have found where these bodies have been buried.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:19</time>
<p>And in one of these archaeological digs, they found basically a trash chute.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:24</time>
<p>And in that trash chute, they found bones.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:26</time>
<p>And some of the bones were of a young girl, 14 year old girl, who they could</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:31</time>
<p>tell from the markings on her bones that her body had been used to, for as food.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:40</time>
<p>It had been cut in a way with a knife or something that they could tell</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:44</time>
<p>that they were trying to preserve the flesh or the food of her body.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:49</time>
<p>And so they were able, because they found her skull and her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:53</time>
<p>I think one of her leg bones.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:54</time>
<p>They were able to facially reconstruct her face.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:57</time>
<p>And so her, they call her Jane and her face is in the museum.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:02</time>
<p>So there is a little walk through museum there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:05</time>
<p>And it's built over the state house, one of the original state houses there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:08</time>
<p>So you can look through the glass floor and see some of the.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:13</time>
<p>dig that they had found there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:15</time>
<p>And so they have the recreation of Jane's face in there, along with the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:19</time>
<p>bones that they found, along with other little artifacts and things</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:23</time>
<p>that were left behind, that they're able to piece together this story.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:27</time>
<p>It's very interesting if you're into archaeology, if you're a historian,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:31</time>
<p>if you want to see these actual artifacts from the first colonists.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:37</time>
<p>The issue is it's just not as kid friendly and it's, that's a difficult</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:41</time>
<p>story to tell children if, they're not quite ready to hear stuff</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:46</time>
<p>Yeah, I mean, I don't think we really got into it with our kids,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:49</time>
<p>they were kind of running around.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:50</time>
<p>It's close to the water.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:51</time>
<p>So there's some rocks there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:52</time>
<p>And then there's the big John Smith statue that's right there kind of overlooking the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:57</time>
<p>And that's pretty cool.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:58</time>
<p>So there's a big statue of John Smith since he's first governor comes over.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:02</time>
<p>It was put up in 1909.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:04</time>
<p>There's a Pocahontas statue there too.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:06</time>
<p>That was put up in 1922.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:08</time>
<p>So again, these things are relatively newer.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:11</time>
<p>And but it is neat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:13</time>
<p>You and I took a picture standing in the church where Pocahontas was married.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:16</time>
<p>If when you're over at the Jamestown settlement standing in the recreation</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:20</time>
<p>of that church, that is the actual spot where that church was.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:25</time>
<p>So it's neat to put the story together with the two locations</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:29</time>
<p>and to be like, this is where I just was in a recreation of it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:32</time>
<p>This is where it actually was.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:34</time>
<p>How neat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:35</time>
<p>This is where those ships actually were.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:37</time>
<p>This is where they actually touched ground.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:39</time>
<p>And so.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:40</time>
<p>That's a neat story because we all have heard the Pocahontas</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:43</time>
<p>story, the John Smith story.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:45</time>
<p>And so to be able to put it all together and stand there and to, stand</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:49</time>
<p>in the place of giants of history, it's really, that's really cool.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:53</time>
<p>So if you wanted to do both and, and kind of, again, marry that experience together,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:59</time>
<p>that's kind of how the two locations work.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:02</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:02</time>
<p>And I will say, if you want to do a full day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:05</time>
<p>doing Jamestown.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:06</time>
<p>You can put both those together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:08</time>
<p>You could, if you didn't want to pay kind of basically a second full fee to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:12</time>
<p>go see the actual archaeological site, you can go over to the New Town site and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:16</time>
<p>there is more stuff to do over there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:17</time>
<p>We didn't do it on our most recent visit, but I was looking on some of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:20</time>
<p>the maps and it looked like there might be some more kind of interactive stuff</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:23</time>
<p>for the kids in, in that New Town area.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:25</time>
<p>So there's, there's plenty to kind of make a full day of it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:28</time>
<p>If, if you are interested in going over to the.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:30</time>
<p>The Jamestown Historic</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:31</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:32</time>
<p>And then the 400th anniversary happened in 2007 and President Bush came there</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:39</time>
<p>and Queen Elizabeth II visited again.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:41</time>
<p>Oh, that's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:42</time>
<p>So it's kind of neat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:42</time>
<p>She got to see all the changes and things.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:44</time>
<p>So it is again, if you want to see these important places of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:49</time>
<p>American history, again, this is the first English settlement.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:53</time>
<p>So not the first settlement of America from Europe, but the first</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:58</time>
<p>English settlement is Jamestown.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:00</time>
<p>It was very, very fun.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:02</time>
<p>Highly recommended, but do the, the settlement first and the visitor center</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:07</time>
<p>second, if you really want to do that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:16</time>
<p>From immersive exhibits to architectural marvels, we talked about some of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:22</time>
<p>the must see landmarks and hidden gems that make Jamestown a time</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:27</time>
<p>capsule waiting to be explored.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:30</time>
<p>Whether you're a seasoned history buff or a first time visitor, this episode</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:34</time>
<p>has you covered with Insider Insights that will make your experience truly</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:38</time>
<p>unforgettable, at least we hope.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:41</time>
<p>So tighten your bonnet straps and prepare to navigate.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:44</time>
<p>and travel the sites of historic Jamestown.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:47</time>
<p>Avoid the crowds and capture that Instagram worthy shot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:51</time>
<p>Consider this episode of Talk With History your personal guide to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:54</time>
<p>unlocking the past of Jamestown.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:57</time>
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<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:59</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:01</time>
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<time>00:28:02</time>
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<time>00:28:05</time>
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<time>00:28:09</time>
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<time>00:28:10</time>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:12</time>
<p>We rely on you, our community, to grow and we appreciate you all every day.</p>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:28:17</time>
<p>We'll talk to you next time.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:28:18</time>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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