Gettysburg 1863: The Untold Civilian Story (with Bo Brinkman & Samuel Roukin)

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<p>'cause people kept going, you know, when are we gonna make</p>
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<p>another Gettysburg movie?</p>
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<p>And I'm like, we've already, we already have, you know, it, everybody</p>
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<p>lines up, shoots at everybody.</p>
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<p>I mean, you know, we've already done that.</p>
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<p>What about the, the civilians and what they went through?</p>
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<p>They went through their own battle.</p>
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<p>Wow.</p>
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<p>That's a great idea.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>I think when you understand, uh, what it cost to have something,</p>
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<p>uh, it changes how you value it.</p>
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<p>And I thought.</p>
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<p>I think the house needs to be a witness as well.</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>And it was witness to the first day battle.</p>
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<p>You know,</p>
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<p>we've all seen the grand sweeping shots of the high ground, the lines of blue and</p>
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<p>gray clashing at the peach orchard, the smoke-filled chaos of Devil's Den and the</p>
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<p>iconic, tragic surge of Pickett's charge.</p>
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<p>But while the history book's focus on the movements of generals and the</p>
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<p>clatter of Musketry, there was another battle happening simultaneously.</p>
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<p>It was happening behind the heavy oak doors, in damp basements, and</p>
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<p>through the frantic eyes of children peering out of their home windows.</p>
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<p>It was the battle for the town of Gettysburg itself, fought by the</p>
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<p>civilians who suddenly found the most famous conflict in American</p>
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<p>history, literally on their doorsteps.</p>
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<p>Today on Talk With History, we are bringing you a very special conversation</p>
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<p>While we read the Gettysburg Film Festival, Jen and I had the incredible</p>
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<p>opportunity to sit down with two men who are bringing a fresh, visceral</p>
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<p>perspective to the Civil War.</p>
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<p>We're talking with Director Bo Brinkman, a man who is no</p>
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<p>stranger to this battlefield.</p>
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<p>You might recognize him from his work in the 1993 Classic Gettysburg,</p>
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<p>and who is now directing the upcoming film, Gettysburg 1863.</p>
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<p>Alongside him is actor Samuel Roukin, who you may know is the</p>
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<p>villainous Captain Simco from the hit series Turn Washington Spies.</p>
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<p>In this joint interview alongside our fellow creators from history with</p>
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<p>waffles and salvaging history, we dive deep into why this film chooses to look</p>
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<p>through the windows of the town's homes rather than just the sight of a rifle.</p>
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<p>We will discuss the miracle of finding a 9-year-old lead actress who could carry</p>
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<p>the emotional weight of a ransacked home, the haunting reality of seeing 160</p>
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<p>year old bloodstains still visible on the floors of local farms in Gettysburg.</p>
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<p>And why Samuel a New American himself found the cost of this earned history.</p>
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<p>So moving this movie isn't just about July 1st, second, and third.</p>
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<p>It's about the entire year of 1863, the before, the during,</p>
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<p>and the long painful aftermath.</p>
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<p>I'm your host, Scott, and today we're stepping off the battlefield and</p>
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<p>into the homes of Gettysburg with a cast and crew of Gettysburg 1863.</p>
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<p>Well, I, I'll start.</p>
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<p>Okay.</p>
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<p>I love.</p>
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<p>The trailer and the minute it showed, I got teary-eyed because I</p>
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<p>loved your point of view and your urban warfare, which I haven't seen</p>
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<p>depicted with Gettysburg before.</p>
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<p>And I love that because I'm an Iraqi war veteran.</p>
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<p>Um, and I was a helicopter pilot, so I've done a lot of that myself.</p>
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<p>And to see that from that point of view was really great.</p>
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<p>And I loved it from the woman point of view.</p>
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<p>So a lot of my videos here in Gettysburg, I try to take the different lenses Yeah.</p>
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<p>And do it from a women's point of view.</p>
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<p>I</p>
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<p>love it.</p>
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<p>Um, you talked about Tilly Pierce.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>She was 15 years old.</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>And you used her documentation, but you wanted a 9-year-old.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>So why were you looking for a younger girl to be depicted?</p>
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<p>Because I wanted to, one of the, I, uh, said earlier, um, I, I wanted like when</p>
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<p>her mother explains to her about slavery.</p>
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<p>It may, it, it has so much more gravity when you're telling a child.</p>
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<p>Sure.</p>
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<p>Because they have to, they're listening and they wrap their</p>
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<p>brain around what you're saying.</p>
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<p>'cause it's, it's foreign to them.</p>
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<p>Although she grew up in that.</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>She still doesn't get it.</p>
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<p>'cause she's nine, you know, she still has this child view of, of the world.</p>
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<p>I, I really wanted a young girl that, um.</p>
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<p>It has a different perspective than the two older ones.</p>
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<p>Sure.</p>
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<p>You know?</p>
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<p>Um, and there's more raw emotions, I think with the little kid as</p>
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<p>well.</p>
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<p>Well, and I saw that too with your point of view because they're</p>
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<p>dealing with adult situations.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>Soldiers right outside the window.</p>
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<p>Right.</p>
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<p>Like that's a harsh realization for a child.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>And to hear slavery at nine years old, like it's another harsh realization that</p>
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<p>you feel like you have to tell them Right.</p>
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<p>Then.</p>
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<p>So I liked how you depicted that.</p>
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<p>Um, also there's a scene where, you know, their house is, you know, ransacked.</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>Rebels come in and they're down in the basement.</p>
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<p>I, I wanted a, a child's through a child's eyes to, to experience that with that,</p>
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<p>that character, um, all the way through.</p>
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<p>So that was, I really wanted it like a 9-year-old.</p>
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<p>I didn't want a 12-year-old.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>I, and I kept saying to the customer, I, she's gotta be eight, nine years old.</p>
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<p>You know, that can also act.</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>Which,</p>
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<p>yeah,</p>
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<p>40 auditions later.</p>
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<p>Um, we found her.</p>
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<p>She's incredible.</p>
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<p>But this,</p>
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<p>this young actor is really special.</p>
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<p>Steven Lang did his first, uh, season, uh, uh, scene with her and he turns</p>
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<p>around to me, like, gets to my pieces.</p>
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<p>Where the hell did you find her?</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>She's a seasoned pro.</p>
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<p>That's</p>
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<p>awesome.</p>
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<p>I'm like, yeah, no kidding.</p>
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<p>She's amazing.</p>
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<p>Now my next question is for you, Samuel.</p>
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<p>Okay, now your father.</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>Do you think it's easier to portray a father being a father, or do you</p>
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<p>think when you're acting and you're not a father, you're not, is it</p>
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<p>hard to ca to capture that until you actually know what that feels like?</p>
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<p>It's a really interesting question.</p>
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<p>I was just starting to think, have I played a father before I was a father?</p>
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<p>Um, I think I did act as a, a great at pretending to be</p>
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<p>anyone if they're a good actor.</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>So I don't, I don't think it, it's, uh, it's.</p>
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<p>Uh, a necessity, but I will say that there's a, a shorthand that</p>
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<p>you have with other parents.</p>
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<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
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<p>Right?</p>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
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<p>Like an understanding, like, you know, Shannon, uh, Lucio,</p>
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<p>who plays, um, Rebecca, yeah.</p>
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<p>Um, Lieutenant Kelly's wife in this, um, you know, with both parents of young kids.</p>
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<p>And it was very, very easy to drift into this family environment because.</p>
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<p>We both understand what that is.</p>
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<p>And you know, I I, I do always say like, there's, there's the one you can imagine</p>
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<p>all of the things, but the one thing that only parents have lived through</p>
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<p>is that kind of sleep deprivation.</p>
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<p>Actually maybe you do in the military, but like, but like that sleep deprivation</p>
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<p>is, is a particular flavor of being tired.</p>
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<p>Hundred percent.</p>
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<p>And to your point, I used to say it was easier flying combat over Iraq than being</p>
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<p>a mother because I knew where my enemy was and I got eight hours of crew rest.</p>
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<p>Yeah, that's right.</p>
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<p>Right.</p>
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<p>When I had little kids, it was like I didn't know where they were coming</p>
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<p>from and I was exhausted all the time.</p>
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<p>That's</p>
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<p>right.</p>
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<p>And wait until they become 16.</p>
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<p>All of a sudden you're the enemy.</p>
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<p>Oh yeah.</p>
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<p>It's like, what happened?</p>
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<p>I used to be the hero, now I'm the enemy.</p>
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<p>Right, right.</p>
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<p>I love that.</p>
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<p>Well, I'll move on if you guys, and I'll come.</p>
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<p>Alright.</p>
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<p>So.</p>
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<p>Why, why do we always come back to Gates for what makes this place so powerful and</p>
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<p>special, important, other than the battle to be able to tell these types of stories?</p>
<p></p>
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<p>There's so many people that come in and out of this town, and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>they come back again and again.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Why?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:07:48</time>
<p>Hey, I'm a, I was a frequent flyer for 30 years.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Um, I discovered it doing rehearsals for, you know, Gettysburg and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>I came back every couple years.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It's something about what happened here.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah, if you go onto the battleground, you feel it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I feel it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Um, I kept coming back and I, you know, had got a lot of friends and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>then now I live here part-time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It's just something, it, it's hard to explain.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And I noticed that about tourists as well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:08:20</time>
<p>They, once they come, they come back.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:08:23</time>
<p>A lot of 'em come back every year, you know?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:08:26</time>
<p>Um, I've met so many that it's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:08:29</time>
<p>That's what they do now, you know?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:08:31</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:08:31</time>
<p>They just, every summer here they are a lot of return visitors.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Samuel, for yourself, do you have a special story or something that's tied</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:08:40</time>
<p>to this battlefield now that you've been here and you've been involved in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>that role that you can relay to us?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Um, I'm always really moved by, uh, cemeteries.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Um, so when I was here, um, I went off for a few hours and just kind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:08:55</time>
<p>of walked around the cemetery here.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Um, and you know, I think it's connected to why people come back.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It's the, the human experience and knowing what the humans that were</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>in this specific place went through.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It's hard not to be moved by that and to, to have a reverence for it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And so I, I, I love exploring where people are laid to rest and, and, and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>looking at the ages is always a thing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And the, the plaque, there's so many plaques you never get round</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>them all in, um, in Gettysburg.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:09:31</time>
<p>But it is, it is really fascinating.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>But for me it's, uh, so that was a really great day when I just, I walked, I just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:09:37</time>
<p>walked and walked and walked for hours.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I found it very moving.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I also, you know, when I walked, you know, obviously there's, there's so many</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>monuments on the battlefield and so spread out, which is why there's a driving tour.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>But I was on my feet, so I was just walking through some of them and I, I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>looked at it, it was the, the vastness of that landscape was something</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I hadn't quite comprehended, had the same experience, um, a similar</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:01</time>
<p>experience when I went to Normandy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:03</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:03</time>
<p>You know, on the, on the, the beaches.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Like until you stand on the beach and you see the, the, the depth and, and,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:12</time>
<p>and where the battlements you, you can't get, your brain doesn't comprehend</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:16</time>
<p>really how brutal that must have been and how exposed you were and if you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>made it through that, like how that must affect you for the rest of your life.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>How you, you know, but, and so it's hard not to go to those</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:33</time>
<p>places and physically stand.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:35</time>
<p>Where those people stood and not be moved by it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:37</time>
<p>So I think Gettysburg with such a rich history like that, it's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>just keeps people coming back.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>I know, I, I mean we, I'm, I'm here with my wife and we've been</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:45</time>
<p>talking about coming back with our kids very soon because Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:49</time>
<p>Because it's, it's like what a better way to teach history, right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Than to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:53</time>
<p>for</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:53</time>
<p>sure walk where other humans have walked.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:10:56</time>
<p>You mentioned being in these places of power and, and now that you say you're,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:00</time>
<p>you're a New American, essentially.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:04</time>
<p>The comment you made about being in these places and understanding and, and figuring</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:07</time>
<p>out that this is, this was earned to me.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:11</time>
<p>That was a very powerful Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:12</time>
<p>And moving moment there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:13</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:13</time>
<p>I think when you understand, uh, what it costs to have something,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:17</time>
<p>uh, it changes how you value it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So that's where that came from.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:21</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:22</time>
<p>I'm glad that resonated.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:23</time>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:23</time>
<p>I love that too with me as well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:24</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:26</time>
<p>Oh, so you also talked about a little bit about how at, at some point you have to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:30</time>
<p>kind of put away the research and, and just kind of dive into the character.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:33</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:33</time>
<p>So did you guys ever get any chance to maybe pour over some leathers or some</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:38</time>
<p>primary source material that at least give you a sense of what certain individuals</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:42</time>
<p>felt like and to kind of bring a little bit more to the human element to things?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:45</time>
<p>So, like I mentioned, I, you know, I watched the, the Ken Burn documentary.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:49</time>
<p>I read some stuff.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:50</time>
<p>The, one of the more interesting things was something that I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:52</time>
<p>happened across by accident.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:54</time>
<p>So when we were in holding at one of the houses, when we were shooting</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:11:58</time>
<p>at the, at the Schreiber house.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:00</time>
<p>Mm. Um, there was a, a photo album in there and was looking through these photos</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:08</time>
<p>and then there were photos of, um, bodies discovered in like, around the corner,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:15</time>
<p>you know, and, uh, all of these like photos that could only have been taken</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:20</time>
<p>by regular people, just, you know, like.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>You know who, I've already had a camera of course, but like, but like this,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:27</time>
<p>like, it, it, it was witnessing, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:33</time>
<p>And I, I all through my career when I've been like, I, I love photography.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:39</time>
<p>I think it's, it's incredibly evocative and powerful and helpful, you know, to</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:42</time>
<p>have images in your head as an actor.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:44</time>
<p>Um, and so that, that was like an accidental bit of research</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:49</time>
<p>for me that that really hit home.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:51</time>
<p>Um, because this was happen was on their doorstep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:54</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:55</time>
<p>You know, which is what's so great about looking out through the window Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:58</time>
<p>Into the street.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:12:58</time>
<p>It's like, that's what it was.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:01</time>
<p>You know?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:01</time>
<p>That's how you saw it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:03</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:03</time>
<p>And, you know, have you ever been, did you, you, you, you saw the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:06</time>
<p>attic at the Shriver house, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:08</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:08</time>
<p>Okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:09</time>
<p>So Nancy, one that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:11</time>
<p>Kinda rebuilt it, um, and sold it to, to the Hi Gettysburg History.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>She had a forensics.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Do y'all know about this?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Um, I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>know the story.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:19</time>
<p>You know the story?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:19</time>
<p>Yeah, I do.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:20</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:20</time>
<p>Um, she had a guy that did forensics and they did luminol in there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:26</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:27</time>
<p>That attic was a blood.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:29</time>
<p>Oh wow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:30</time>
<p>I mean, yeah, he put the black light on.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:32</time>
<p>Yeah, it was sprayed everywhere.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:35</time>
<p>They did, there were some sharp shooters up there and they knocked the brick</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:38</time>
<p>out so they could not be in the window.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:41</time>
<p>They still got shot.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:42</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:42</time>
<p>And, uh, there's just blood everywhere.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:45</time>
<p>And there's another one at the, uh, the Daniel lady.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Have y'all been to the Daniel Lady Farm?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:50</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:50</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:51</time>
<p>Oh my gosh.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:51</time>
<p>Did you see the blood imprints?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:53</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Human.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Print.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:13:55</time>
<p>I mean, like there's what you can see the body outline.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>He's laying on this floor.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>He's laying on his side and yeah, you can see it just, it's there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:04</time>
<p>It's, they, they did the same thing there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:06</time>
<p>They, they went in with forensics and sprayed it down.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>It just, the whole place lit up, you know?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:12</time>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:12</time>
<p>And that really gives you like, this really happened.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:15</time>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:16</time>
<p>I mean, wow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:19</time>
<p>Yeah, it just, and it happened over many, many square miles,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:24</time>
<p>I mean, in so many houses.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:27</time>
<p>And</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:28</time>
<p>now on the other hand, in the same holding area, we also found a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:31</time>
<p>book that was, um, ghost Pictures.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
<p>Oh</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
<p>yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:35</time>
<p>So like photographs of supposed ghost.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:39</time>
<p>Pretty</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:39</time>
<p>popular in Getty Bird.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:41</time>
<p>Created, uh, no, no End to Joy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:46</time>
<p>So everywhere we went, we ended up shooting into the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:49</time>
<p>night and it got a bit spooky.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>And we were like, is that a ghost?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>Is that a, and it kind of, it was like a nice little touchstone for us as</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>a family throughout the rest of the shoot once we'd seen that book too.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>So, well,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
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<p>you know,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:14:59</time>
<p>you never know what you're gonna find them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:00</time>
<p>Oh man.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:01</time>
<p>You know, and that was not an industry in the nineties when we were here,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:04</time>
<p>that it was happened afterwards in the late nineties, I believe,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:07</time>
<p>is when the ghost thing came in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:09</time>
<p>But we, um, snuck on the battlefield and drunk as hell one night, me</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:14</time>
<p>and a bunch of actors, and you know where the sharpshooter was?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:17</time>
<p>Yeah, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:18</time>
<p>Devil's den</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:18</time>
<p>it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:19</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:19</time>
<p>And Devil's den the photograph and all that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:23</time>
<p>Uh, I laid in that spot and we got a Ouija board and candles.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:28</time>
<p>Oh man.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:28</time>
<p>And tried to drum up a ghost.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:31</time>
<p>No joy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:32</time>
<p>No.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:32</time>
<p>It</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:32</time>
<p>wasn't like See you trying too hard.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:34</time>
<p>You just trying too hard.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:35</time>
<p>You had to pretend like I, I don't care if you show up or not.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:38</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:38</time>
<p>I'm definitely not coming.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:39</time>
<p>Now.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:39</time>
<p>Your trend.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:41</time>
<p>So was this your first time ever in Gettysburg filming this movie?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:44</time>
<p>Was this your first time?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:44</time>
<p>It was,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:45</time>
<p>yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:45</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:46</time>
<p>Very cool.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:46</time>
<p>Yeah, it was very cool.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:47</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:47</time>
<p>That's sweet.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:48</time>
<p>And I love that you're doing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:50</time>
<p>The, the mother point of view, the child point of view, and how much</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:54</time>
<p>they're holding things together, especially with the, the patriarch gone.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:15:57</time>
<p>Um, how much did you deviate from.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:01</time>
<p>The, for your fictional characters, like a real character, but how</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:04</time>
<p>much did you deviate from the real history to create that story?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:07</time>
<p>It was a kind of in and out, you know, I, I just had a, a con, a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:11</time>
<p>flow of consciousness when I was writing it after I did the research.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:16</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:17</time>
<p>And, uh, Chris and I did a lot of research, um, and, uh, she's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:22</time>
<p>the one that said, I, I want you to write something about the.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:26</time>
<p>The aftermath</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:27</time>
<p>mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:28</time>
<p>Of the civilians.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:29</time>
<p>'cause people kept going, you know, when are we gonna make</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:31</time>
<p>another Gettysburg movie?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:32</time>
<p>And I'm like, we've already, we already have.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:34</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:34</time>
<p>You know, it, everybody lines up, shoots at everybody.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:37</time>
<p>I mean, you know, we've already done that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:39</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:39</time>
<p>And you can't finance it today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:40</time>
<p>There's no way.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:41</time>
<p>Right.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:42</time>
<p>So, you know, she, she brought up a good point and, and you know,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:45</time>
<p>like, wow, that's a great idea.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:48</time>
<p>What about the.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:49</time>
<p>The civilians and what they went through.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:51</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:51</time>
<p>They went through their own battle and, uh, so I, I wanted to do it from a woman's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:16:57</time>
<p>perspective because there weren't a lot of men in town and they were all fighting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:00</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:01</time>
<p>Um, so I, that's, that's kind of where it started, you know, through</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:05</time>
<p>the Shriners and the Tilley P story.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:08</time>
<p>Um, and I just kind of gleaned from that a little bit and got my own ideas.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:12</time>
<p>Sure.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:13</time>
<p>And then I just wrote it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:15</time>
<p>Now, are you gonna depict Jenny Wade?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:16</time>
<p>Are you gonna pick Elizabeth Thorne?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:18</time>
<p>No.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:18</time>
<p>No.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:19</time>
<p>Mm oh, so you're really, you're, I mean, those are the ones that everyone knows.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:22</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:22</time>
<p>So I like that you're going, because the so many women don't get this story told.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:26</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:26</time>
<p>And that's what I love about Gettysburg, what we do.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:29</time>
<p>This is still stories that have to be told.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:31</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:31</time>
<p>You're,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:31</time>
<p>there's so many, there's just so many things that people don't,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:33</time>
<p>haven't been discovered yet, or.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:35</time>
<p>Some pe there's a lot of soldiers who were unknown.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:38</time>
<p>They, they, they couldn't, um, identify them, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:41</time>
<p>So no one knew what happened to their president or their father or things like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:44</time>
<p>that, and their stories don't get told.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:46</time>
<p>So I think it's great that, you know, looking, um, at another point of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:50</time>
<p>view, I really think that's great.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:51</time>
<p>Do you, is it true to say that like, when you are writing something like this, that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:17:56</time>
<p>It's less deviations from truth, but it's taking pieces of truth and feeding</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:01</time>
<p>them into the, so it's to the story you're telling, I always say there's a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:04</time>
<p>grain of truth in everything I write.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:06</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:07</time>
<p>There's a grain of truth or otherwise it, it doesn't feel real, you know, you can</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:12</time>
<p>tell,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:12</time>
<p>you can tell, you can feel it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:13</time>
<p>It's manufactured, you know.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:15</time>
<p>Um, so I always write with a grain of truth.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:19</time>
<p>And so, especially with this story,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:21</time>
<p>' cause it might not have all happened to the.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:22</time>
<p>To the one person you're talking about, but they happened to someone.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:25</time>
<p>Someone, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:25</time>
<p>Yeah, yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:26</time>
<p>And, and many at, at the same time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:28</time>
<p>That's good.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:28</time>
<p>Same experience.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:29</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:29</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:30</time>
<p>So,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:30</time>
<p>so what was, what went into the decision to, to feature a lot of the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:34</time>
<p>point of view through that window?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:36</time>
<p>Was that something you had in mind when you took the project or that?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:39</time>
<p>'cause I think that's,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:39</time>
<p>yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:40</time>
<p>When I, I just started ruminating it, just thinking about it every day and I thought.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:45</time>
<p>I think the house needs to be a witness as well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:48</time>
<p>Mm-hmm.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:48</time>
<p>Not just the girls, but the home.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:50</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:51</time>
<p>And it was witness to the first day battle, you know?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:55</time>
<p>And I thought, wow, what if we did that through the window and then, uh, the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:18:59</time>
<p>passage of time also through the window.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:02</time>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:03</time>
<p>You know, it's very neat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:04</time>
<p>So, um, yeah, that was, that was kind of cool.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:07</time>
<p>It, um, came out of the universe there, you know.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:10</time>
<p>Well, we're so excited for it, especially two 50, like, you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:14</time>
<p>know, coming out this year.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:14</time>
<p>It's so great.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:15</time>
<p>So we're excited.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:16</time>
<p>It looks great.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:18</time>
<p>Thank you guys.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:18</time>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:19</time>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:19</time>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:19</time>
<p>Was so meet you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:27</time>
<p>As we wrap up our time here with the interview while we were sitting</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:30</time>
<p>in Gettysburg, it's hard not to look at the streets differently.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:35</time>
<p>Historians have spent years talking about the movements of the 20th Maine</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:39</time>
<p>or the tragedy of the peach Orchard.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:41</time>
<p>But after speaking with Bo and Samuel about the witness of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:44</time>
<p>the home, it feels just as.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:48</time>
<p>Whether it's the haunting realization that the Daniel Lady Farm still</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:51</time>
<p>holds the physical imprints of those who fell there, or the power of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:19:55</time>
<p>seeing a 9-year-old child grapple with the reality of slavery and war.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:00</time>
<p>Gettysburg 1863 is bound to remind us that history isn't just something</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:05</time>
<p>that happened out there on a field.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:07</time>
<p>It happened in the kitchens, the attics, and the very hearts of the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:12</time>
<p>people who called this town home.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:15</time>
<p>Samuel Roan said it best.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:17</time>
<p>When you understand what it costs to have something, it changes how you value it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:22</time>
<p>Standing in Gettysburg among the monuments in the modern day bustle,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:26</time>
<p>that cost feels more tangible than ever.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:31</time>
<p>We wanna thank Bo Brinkman and Samuel Roukin for giving us a glimpse behind</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:34</time>
<p>the curtain of this incredible project.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:36</time>
<p>Be sure to look for Gettysburg 1863 this fall.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:40</time>
<p>It is a film that doesn't just ask you to remember the battle, but to witness</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:43</time>
<p>the year that changed America forever.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:48</time>
<p>For Jen and our fellow history creators at history with waffles</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:51</time>
<p>on YouTube and salvaging history on Instagram, thanks for listening.</p>
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<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:55</time>
<p>We'll see you at the next window into the past.</p>
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<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:20:58</time>
<p>Talk to you next time.</p>
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