Paris Cemetery Road Trip | Visiting Oscar Wilde & Jim Morrison's Graves

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<p>and more appropriate for older ears, but still has historic value, especially</p>
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<p>since I saw the sexiest grave in Paris.</p>
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<p>So now you were at, remind me of the name of this cemetery in France.</p>
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<p>That is one of the most visited cemeteries in the entire world.</p>
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<p>Pierre Lachaise.</p>
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<p>Pierre Lachaise.</p>
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<p>So this is, if you've seen our video, and of course I will link our video</p>
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<p>in the show notes, this is a massive, massive cemetery, very historic,</p>
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<p>smack in the middle of Paris, France.</p>
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<p>the largest cemetery in Paris, France at 110 acres,</p>
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<p>and it gets more than 3.</p>
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<p>5 million visitors a year.</p>
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<p>It's absolutely gorgeous.</p>
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<p>It's one of the most visited cemeteries in the world.</p>
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<p>It is beautiful, and it has notable Figures in the art world buried there, and</p>
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<p>that's who we visited, but the monuments are just beautiful and the statues and</p>
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<p>because they allow all different religions and all different backgrounds and all</p>
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<p>different classes, there's different things you can afford, of course.</p>
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<p>And so different people will have different monuments.</p>
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<p>There are sculptures made and they're so elaborate and beautiful that it really is</p>
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<p>when you walk around just walking in art.</p>
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<p>And for me, I had never really thought about going to Pierre Lachaise before,</p>
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<p>but I was with my friend Courtney and she really wanted to go to Pierre Lachaise.</p>
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<p>And so I was like, yep, let's do it.</p>
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<p>It's a walk to get to.</p>
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<p>And then once you're there, It takes a huge part of the city and there's</p>
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<p>a lot of entrances to get into it, but there is only one main entrance.</p>
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<p>And you'll know that when you walk in because you'll see</p>
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<p>the office building there.</p>
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<p>the administration office is right in the front part of when you first walk in.</p>
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<p>And I think the road that is on is Port Principal.</p>
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<p>it should be relatively easy to find if you're in Paris, France.</p>
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<p>you can probably get an Uber there.</p>
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<p>And you guys went there because there's very famous English</p>
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<p>figures that are buried there that, I mean, the non French folks.</p>
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<p>Yeah, well, we went there mostly.</p>
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<p>I mean, I wanted to see Oscar Wilde.</p>
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<p>But Jim Morrison, he's huge.</p>
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<p>And that's I think a lot of people go to see him.</p>
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<p>I think that is one of the most visited graves in that</p>
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<p>Yes.</p>
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<p>And but like I said, you can because it's so big, you can get into all these</p>
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<p>little nooks and crannies around it.</p>
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<p>It's the walls are open to different walkways up inside, but you're not</p>
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<p>really going to know where you are.</p>
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<p>They have one kind of rudimentary map when you walk in.</p>
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<p>And even that was difficult for me to navigate</p>
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<p>it's all in French.</p>
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<p>So if you know the person's name They do have a kind of like an</p>
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<p>English translation just for a little history part of it, nearly</p>
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<p>10, 000 funeral ceremonies each year.</p>
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<p>And there's over 70, 000 graves there.</p>
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<p>So it goes into a little bit of the history.</p>
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<p>It wasn't designed until 1804.</p>
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<p>So when we talked about Lafayette previously and the Reign of Terror,</p>
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<p>this is all before Pilachet even opens.</p>
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<p>So Pilachet was one of those places that needed to answer that call of,</p>
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<p>unsanitary burials that were happening.</p>
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<p>And so they got this large green space in Paris and actually it was Napoleon who</p>
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<p>was really established the cemetery and</p>
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<p>started to get, put it into use.</p>
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<p>And one of the things that I didn't really learn until after I had</p>
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<p>made the video because you had gotten your footage there, but you were</p>
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<p>wrapping up your trip so you didn't get to spend nearly the amount of time</p>
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<p>there to cover everything that's there.</p>
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<p>You had some very specific graves you were visiting but some of the unique</p>
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<p>Graves and statues and monuments that are there are so very french and I had</p>
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<p>showed them to you after I was done making the video And there's some very</p>
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<p>interesting ones like there's a grave.</p>
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<p>It looks more like a like a Like a tomb right it's it cuz this the box</p>
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<p>above ground but there's a statue and it's you could tell it was bronze</p>
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<p>because it has that green patina to it And it makes it look like</p>
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<p>someone is climbing out of this box.</p>
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<p>And that's the statue It was just so interesting and there's another one</p>
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<p>of some figure laying down Classic kind of laying in repose, but also</p>
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<p>holding like another mask, which looks like another face facing their face.</p>
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<p>It was just, I was like, this is so French looking at these pictures.</p>
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<p>Yeah, I mean, they're very emotional.</p>
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<p>There's one of a woman like crying on a grave, a body like a look like an older</p>
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<p>woman laying on a grave crying on it.</p>
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<p>There's like a stairway and a looks like death climbing the stairway,</p>
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<p>very artistic.</p>
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<p>artistic.</p>
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<p>I mean, it's France.</p>
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<p>Now, what's interesting, this was the first crematorium in France.</p>
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<p>it was at the cemetery.</p>
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<p>It's still operational</p>
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<p>So it's like the first of its kind.</p>
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<p>First of its kind.</p>
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<p>So because there's so many people buried there, what happens is you can,</p>
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<p>you can still be buried there today.</p>
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<p>It's difficult.</p>
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<p>They have these rules to be buried there.</p>
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<p>You have to have lived in Paris.</p>
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<p>It's strict.</p>
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<p>You have to have died in Paris, but, and they give you just</p>
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<p>the size of a coffin area.</p>
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<p>That's what Jim Morrison has in a way.</p>
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<p>But then you can reuse that grave.</p>
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<p>Very French, very New Orleans when you think about it, which</p>
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<p>is a very French concept.</p>
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<p>So what will happen when we see like Edith Piaf's grave?</p>
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<p>You'll see seven names on that grave.</p>
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<p>And it's only the size of a tomb.</p>
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<p>So you're like, what's going on here?</p>
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<p>Well, they just keep digging down and they'll just put the call, the</p>
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<p>coffin before you has more than likely collapsed and disintegrated.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>So they'll just shove the new one down on top of it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:27</time>
<p>And basically they're just packing you in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:31</time>
<p>and that's really how it is in New Orleans with above ground</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:34</time>
<p>tombs is they Pack your bones in.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:36</time>
<p>Yeah, you're all mixed with your family, and that's exactly</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:39</time>
<p>what they're doing more or less</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:41</time>
<p>Your whole family can be in one tomb, but they'll just</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:43</time>
<p>keep shoving the coffins down.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:46</time>
<p>So that's how they reuse space and make use of space there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:50</time>
<p>There are so many and they're so close together.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:54</time>
<p>And when you're navigating, it's just very difficult the roadways</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:58</time>
<p>and trying to walk in between.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:09:59</time>
<p>And when you see Jim Morrison on the video, like he's like behind another,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:04</time>
<p>Tucked in this corner.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:05</time>
<p>yeah, he's behind a big.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:07</time>
<p>significant grave that's tall.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:10</time>
<p>So you have to go behind it and look and go, Oh, there it is.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:14</time>
<p>And I had spoke, one person had mentioned on the channel, it was their guard there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:18</time>
<p>So I guess when she had gone previously, they would have a guard standing, but</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:23</time>
<p>there wasn't a guard when I was there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:24</time>
<p>Jim Morrison was a singer.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:26</time>
<p>He was a lead singer of the doors.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:28</time>
<p>He dies relatively young.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:29</time>
<p>He's 27 years old.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:31</time>
<p>He died July 3rd, 1971 in Paris, France.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:34</time>
<p>So that's one of the reasons why he's buried at Pierre Lachaise.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:37</time>
<p>Plus the fact that he loved the French culture and he loved being there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:40</time>
<p>But I think he died from a drug overdose, if I'm not mistaken.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:45</time>
<p>and so he just had such an influence on music and the art world.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:50</time>
<p>People still love The Doors today.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:10:51</time>
<p>It was a great movie with Val</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:53</time>
<p>Yeah, well, and he's one of those classic rock star died young</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:10:56</time>
<p>and just had the look and just became this rock pop culture icon.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:02</time>
<p>I had actually looked up a couple of little interesting tidbits about him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:05</time>
<p>So he was actually a published poet and I guess known at one point as the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:09</time>
<p>lizard king But he supposedly had an iq level of 149 which would have put him</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:16</time>
<p>in like the genius category Anything above I think 130 Is essentially you're</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:21</time>
<p>in the top one or two percent, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:23</time>
<p>Because the average person I think is somewhere in right around 100, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:27</time>
<p>But you know very interesting and makes sense for somebody like that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:31</time>
<p>That's just probably highly intelligent But probably might have a screw loose,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:11:35</time>
<p>so and that oftentimes that makes artists</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:39</time>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:39</time>
<p>And he was, he's found dead in a bathroom at 6am.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:43</time>
<p>Official cause of death was heart failure, but no autopsy was performed.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:47</time>
<p>And there's conspiracy theories around his death, that it could have</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:51</time>
<p>happened at, some say at a heroin overdose in a club's bathroom at 2am.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:56</time>
<p>And then his body was taken away by two men who were the drug dealers</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:11:59</time>
<p>to hide in his house in the tub because it was no autopsy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:03</time>
<p>There's, it leads it open to conspiracy theories.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:06</time>
<p>Now his death is approximately nine months after Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:11</time>
<p>So he's in that same kind of magical genre of those amazing artists who</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:17</time>
<p>were taken very early by drugs.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:19</time>
<p>And we never know what else they could have contributed to the art world.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:24</time>
<p>But what we got of them was just so amazing and magical that even today,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:29</time>
<p>like I was just singing Janis Joplin in the car the other day, like even</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:32</time>
<p>today, we still love their music.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:34</time>
<p>You mentioned on the video that his father was I think like</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:12:38</time>
<p>an admiral or something like that,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:41</time>
<p>in Florida, 1943.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:43</time>
<p>And just like you said, 27 years old and such a loss at such a young age.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:47</time>
<p>And if you haven't seen The Doors.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:49</time>
<p>Movie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:50</time>
<p>I think it does a really good job of Val Kilmer and I think it's Meg</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:53</time>
<p>Ryan, who plays his girlfriend.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:55</time>
<p>Really good movie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:56</time>
<p>So it was neat to go there because I think they actually show the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:12:58</time>
<p>grave at the end of the movie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:00</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:00</time>
<p>And like you said, you watch our video and you can't get all</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:02</time>
<p>the way up to it 'cause you were respecting the IES that they put up.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:05</time>
<p>But there is a ton, you could tell there's tons of people that visit there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:09</time>
<p>So they have a picture of him and his youth.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:11</time>
<p>Like some of those classic Jim Morrison pictures that are still</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:14</time>
<p>popular posters to this day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:16</time>
<p>And there's trinkets and all sorts of stuff that's all kind of all covering his</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:20</time>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:21</time>
<p>And so another grave that's probably very visited and so much so that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:25</time>
<p>they have plastic guarding the grave is Oscar Wilde, who I adore.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:31</time>
<p>That's who I wanted to see more than anybody.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:33</time>
<p>I love his poetry.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:34</time>
<p>He's an Irish poet.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:36</time>
<p>We actually, I think we're in Dublin and we were sitting at a</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:39</time>
<p>cafe and I looked over and there was a statue of him at that park.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:43</time>
<p>Remember?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:43</time>
<p>And I said, Oh my gosh, it's Oscar Wilde</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:13:45</time>
<p>Oh, okay.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:46</time>
<p>And he trains at Trinity College in Dublin, but he goes on to Oxford and he</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:51</time>
<p>writes some of the most amazing poetry.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:52</time>
<p>books like The Picture of Dorian Gray, and The Importance of Being Earnest.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:56</time>
<p>And I just think he has such a wit.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:13:59</time>
<p>I just adored his writing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:01</time>
<p>Now Oscar Wilde gets caught up in this Victorian era</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:05</time>
<p>libel case for homosexuality.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:08</time>
<p>Because his lover is the son of a very powerful aristocrat and that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:15</time>
<p>aristocrat goes after Oscar Wilde,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:14:18</time>
<p>it Lord Alfred Douglas?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:20</time>
<p>And he's found he's found guilty of gross indecency.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:24</time>
<p>And because of that, he goes to prison and he's forced two years</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:28</time>
<p>of hard labor from 1895 to 1897.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:32</time>
<p>And hard labor then.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:34</time>
<p>If you see there's a really great movie about Oscar.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:37</time>
<p>It's basically just walking on a Stairmaster, but like a rock one that you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:42</time>
<p>have to push the rock to step up onto the next step, and you have to keep it going.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:48</time>
<p>And it's just exhausting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:50</time>
<p>And that's what you do all day.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:51</time>
<p>And it does nothing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:53</time>
<p>And it's not it just it really just wears on your psyche because you're not doing</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:14:59</time>
<p>anything, but you're working so hard</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:01</time>
<p>I have never heard that before.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:03</time>
<p>And that was his punishment for two</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:05</time>
<p>So like literally they would make you do hard labor.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:08</time>
<p>That was completely pointless.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:10</time>
<p>It's not even breaking up big rocks in the little rocks.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:12</time>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:13</time>
<p>And it disheartened him so much that he never wanted to go back to England.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:18</time>
<p>And that's when he goes to Paris and he dies in Paris in 1900 at age 46.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:24</time>
<p>So also very young.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:26</time>
<p>And his tomb is also something that gets people want to a trinket from.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:34</time>
<p>It's a very interesting looking tomb for him because it's very Egyptian.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:37</time>
<p>It is very Egyptian looking.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:39</time>
<p>It's almost like a pharaoh kind of</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:43</time>
<p>a Pharaoh Sphinx type deal.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:45</time>
<p>But and realize Oscar Wilde was a huge traveler like he came to America,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:15:49</time>
<p>he did a whole tour here.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:51</time>
<p>And so it it has that kind of feeling around it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:15:55</time>
<p>it looks about the size of a coffin, but built up and then</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:00</time>
<p>it's engraved all around it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:03</time>
<p>Yeah, there was a neat kind of poem I guess that whoever made it</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:07</time>
<p>that was inscribed on the back that you read in the videos, I liked it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:10</time>
<p>Yeah, it was really neat.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:11</time>
<p>it's all protected by this plastic on every side because of so much people who,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:19</time>
<p>vandalize it and take pieces of it off.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:22</time>
<p>He was initially buried in another cemetery in Paris, but in 1909 his remains</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:27</time>
<p>were moved to Pierre Lachaise and his tomb was designed by Sir Jacob Epstein.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:33</time>
<p>It's a modernist angel and it's supposed to depict the relief on the tomb</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:38</time>
<p>originally complete with so again, history after dark, we'll get more into</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:45</time>
<p>talk more about</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:46</time>
<p>more into that, but just know that it's a very atomically correct grave.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:52</time>
<p>So don't be surprised when you go there and if you see</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:54</time>
<p>that, but again, that's what.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:16:56</time>
<p>gets broken.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:16:57</time>
<p>And one of the other things that was interesting that I think must be</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:01</time>
<p>a tradition at that particular grave is women like left kisses all over</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:05</time>
<p>the kind of glass surrounding of it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:07</time>
<p>And it, I read that they even did that before they put that up</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:10</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:10</time>
<p>And I would have had lipstick.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:11</time>
<p>I would have done that too, because I just love Oscar Wilde so much.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:15</time>
<p>And again, it's just, it's one of those graves, like you'll, you'll</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:18</time>
<p>know when you see it cause it stands alone and it's so unique.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:22</time>
<p>of the things I had looked up about him, obviously they're talking</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:24</time>
<p>about his wit and humor, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:25</time>
<p>That that's what his writing was known for.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:28</time>
<p>And one of his many quotes, where he said, I can resist everything except temptation.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:17:33</time>
<p>So that kind of speaks to his writing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:36</time>
<p>And I love, he would say be yourself.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:37</time>
<p>Everyone else has taken, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:39</time>
<p>He was always just, he was so quick witted in simplicity.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:45</time>
<p>that I love that about him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:47</time>
<p>So I, that's who I really wanted to see.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:50</time>
<p>And I was very happy to see him.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:51</time>
<p>He is in the middle and hard to find.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:54</time>
<p>And again, that that rudimentary map that they give you, it's difficult to figure</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:17:57</time>
<p>it out, but because he's so well traveled, if you see people walking around there,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:03</time>
<p>if you just follow them, most people are</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:05</time>
<p>they're going to Jim Morrison, Oscar Wilde.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:07</time>
<p>Now the next one is actually another American</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:11</time>
<p>tied to gone with the wind.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:18:12</time>
<p>So who'd you who'd you at least try to find next?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:15</time>
<p>Olivia de Havill, Dame d'Olivia de Havill, is de Havillan,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:20</time>
<p>is from Gone with the Wind.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:21</time>
<p>She plays Melanie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:23</time>
<p>She's Scarlet's nemesis, I guess you could say, but famous actress.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:28</time>
<p>She was in many other movies.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:29</time>
<p>She's Academy Award winner.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:31</time>
<p>She lives to be 104.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:33</time>
<p>She dies in 2020.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:35</time>
<p>She's just one of those people that she was in The</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:38</time>
<p>Adventures of Robin Hood, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:39</time>
<p>She plays Mary Marion with Errol Flynn.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:42</time>
<p>Like she's just in all of these famous movies, the snake pit, the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:46</time>
<p>heiress that she wins back to get nominations for best actress for those.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:51</time>
<p>Like she's just one of those women that is in all of these timeless movies.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:18:54</time>
<p>And of course, Gone with the wind and she was the last surviving person</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:00</time>
<p>from gone with the wind and she lived in paris the end of her life</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:04</time>
<p>and you say she's she's american.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:06</time>
<p>She's like british american and french.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:08</time>
<p>she holds all of those citizenships</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:12</time>
<p>Okay</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:13</time>
<p>She dies in Paris, and she's cremated, and she's</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:19</time>
<p>buried at Père Lachaise.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:20</time>
<p>Now, we went looking for her, but they don't think that they have</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:25</time>
<p>put her ashes into the crematorium area, they haven't put up her body.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:30</time>
<p>marker yet.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:31</time>
<p>So we walked through the crematorium and you can see in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:33</time>
<p>the video, it's very large walls</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:19:37</time>
<p>there's a lot there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:37</time>
<p>and they're very small, probably like eight by eight</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:40</time>
<p>squares with these large walls that have different people's names.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:43</time>
<p>So you really have to look and read and you don't know where the new ones are.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:47</time>
<p>So we just walk through the crematorium area and looked at those</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:50</time>
<p>walls and she's in there somewhere.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:53</time>
<p>She will eventually be marked with her name.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:19:56</time>
<p>For me, like I love Gone with the Wind and I love her portrayal in that movie.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:03</time>
<p>Plus, I just think she's a great actress.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:06</time>
<p>there's a movie called, I think it's the Snake Pit, where they first term,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:11</time>
<p>gaslighting, they first used that term.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:14</time>
<p>where she's starting to, she sees things and she's trying to tell</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:19</time>
<p>somebody this is what's happening and the person is doing it to her</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:23</time>
<p>to make her feel like she's crazy.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:26</time>
<p>So he keeps saying, that's not what you're seeing.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:29</time>
<p>You're not, and so that's, and she's holding a gas light.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:32</time>
<p>as she's asking the questions and she's No, I see this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:35</time>
<p>I see this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:36</time>
<p>And he's No, you're wrong.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:37</time>
<p>You're completely wrong.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:38</time>
<p>Something must be wrong with you.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:40</time>
<p>Oh,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:41</time>
<p>And so that that's where the term gaslighting comes from, because</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:44</time>
<p>she's holding a gas light in her hand as he's doing that to her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:49</time>
<p>That's so interesting because, I mean, really, it's been in the past,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:52</time>
<p>I'd say, ten years that, that term has really come back and surfaced</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:56</time>
<p>because of all the online stuff.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:20:58</time>
<p>How interesting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:20:59</time>
<p>1940s.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:00</time>
<p>Olivia de Havilland, like she's just, she's one of those.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:04</time>
<p>silver screen movie stars that really did put Hollywood on the map.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:09</time>
<p>Well, and I read too that she was, so much like a hollywood industry</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:13</time>
<p>figure at one point she was this legal pioneer for women and actresses and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:18</time>
<p>actually successfully sued warner brothers in 1943 and it led to basically</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:24</time>
<p>reducing the power that film studios had Over actors' careers, her success</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:30</time>
<p>in this legal case that she won.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:33</time>
<p>So she sounds once I was learning more about her, just this staple and pillar</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:38</time>
<p>of Hollywood for many, many years.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:21:40</time>
<p>And plus a very, very successful and talented actress.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:43</time>
<p>Yeah, it says she went to Academy Awards and she's one of the</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:48</time>
<p>first people to method act as well.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:55</time>
<p>. You have to remember, Pielicei, when Napoleon started Pielicei, his whole</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:21:59</time>
<p>premise was anyone could be buried here regardless of class and religion.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:04</time>
<p>So it was one of the very first places to have a Muslim section, a Jewish section</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:09</time>
<p>and So much so that there used to be a cross when you walked into Père Lachaise,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:13</time>
<p>they took the cross down, but there are religious symbols throughout the cemetery.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:18</time>
<p>Anyone can put up their own religious symbols on their own graves.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:21</time>
<p>And so you'll see a lot of strong Christianity or Judaism as you</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:26</time>
<p>walk through the cemetery because anybody from any religious background</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:30</time>
<p>or class could be buried there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:32</time>
<p>And that was radical at the time in the early 1800s to do that.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:36</time>
<p>Interesting.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:37</time>
<p>that's neat about Père Lachaise.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:39</time>
<p>One of the things that I kind of love about this specific</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:41</time>
<p>episode, especially for Famous Graves in Paris, France, it's all</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:46</time>
<p>artists and writers and singers.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:50</time>
<p>and I love that because when you think of Paris, France, that's who you think of.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:54</time>
<p>Yeah, when you go to France, it's very much the lover, the dreamer,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:22:58</time>
<p>The artists.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:22:59</time>
<p>of course, we're going to end the episode with Edith Piaf.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:03</time>
<p>She sings to me to my favorite French song, La Vida en Rose.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:09</time>
<p>Now La Vida en Rose, roughly translated is like looking through</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:13</time>
<p>life in rose colored glasses.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:16</time>
<p>Yeah, so if I'm going to play just a quick snippet of that</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:19</time>
<p>song and you'll, when you hear it, you will recognize it immediately.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:23</time>
<p>La Vie en Rose: my dear, I'm all done I'm all done for the day</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:30</time>
<p>So that is La Vie en Rose.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:32</time>
<p>And so I don't think there's a person on this planet that doesn't hear</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:36</time>
<p>that song and think of Paris, France.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:37</time>
<p>Yeah, she's.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:39</time>
<p>regarded as French, France's greatest popular singer and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:43</time>
<p>one of the most celebrated performers of their 20th century</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:46</time>
<p>And she actually wrote that song.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:48</time>
<p>gosh.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:23:48</time>
<p>I didn't know</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:49</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:49</time>
<p>So she actually wrote that song and her stage name of PF actually means Sparrow</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:23:55</time>
<p>in French in Parisian slang and it's because she was only like four foot eight.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:00</time>
<p>So she was very short.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:24:01</time>
<p>And so that's how she got that name.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:03</time>
<p>Well, there's a great movie made about her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:06</time>
<p>I think Marion Collard plays her and it's called La Vita Rose and you see</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:11</time>
<p>her life like she was born in a brothel.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:14</time>
<p>She's a daughter of a prostitute and she lives in that brothel until she's in</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:18</time>
<p>her like early, teens, but she's blind.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:22</time>
<p>She's born blind and she's blind until she's I think eight or nine years old.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:25</time>
<p>And her mother takes her To a relic, basically a French relic that people</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:30</time>
<p>will touch and pray and miracles will happen and they did and she could see</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:36</time>
<p>I, it is crazy, but that's what happens.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:39</time>
<p>And then she's always malnourished and she's always sickly and</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:45</time>
<p>that they attribute to her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:47</time>
<p>She never grows very tall and she dies very young.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:50</time>
<p>She's 47.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:51</time>
<p>She never really is a robust.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:53</time>
<p>healthy person.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:54</time>
<p>Now she also succumbs to alcoholism and she has a very rough lifestyle, I</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:24:59</time>
<p>would say, but her voice is magical.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:03</time>
<p>And like I said, La Vita Rose means life in pink or life in rose,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:07</time>
<p>life with rose colored glasses.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:09</time>
<p>to me, it's one of the most beautiful French songs.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:11</time>
<p>But when we found her grave there's a lot of her family is in one tomb.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:17</time>
<p>basically think of a top of a tomb there's names written around it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:23</time>
<p>And you'll see if you see in the video, it's nice.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:27</time>
<p>It's a nice marble tomb and they put pictures</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:29</time>
<p>and you can tell people visit it because there's pictures of her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:32</time>
<p>And it's off the beaten path and these very, very thin walk arounds,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:37</time>
<p>but you can walk around it and see it.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:40</time>
<p>And it was just to me another person I really wanted to see</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:25:43</time>
<p>because I loved, I love that song.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:46</time>
<p>and I love that Louis Armstrong remade the song because this is probably</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:51</time>
<p>where I first heard this version of it,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:25:58</time>
<p>which is just beautiful as, as you listen to this.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:02</time>
<p>And there's something to be said about people like that who will make</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:06</time>
<p>their mark even with one song and it's just this lightning bolt moment.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:11</time>
<p>she was a very popular singer, right?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:13</time>
<p>and cultural icon at the time.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:15</time>
<p>But for something like that, I mean, that song defines.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:20</time>
<p>It's in the definition of Paris, France.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:26:22</time>
<p>And so it was really cool that you got to go visit her.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:24</time>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:25</time>
<p>Her last words were every damn thing you do in life, you have to pay for.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:29</time>
<p>And she dies of liver cancer from the drinking.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:32</time>
<p>So again 47 years old and she dies in 1963 and she's buried at Père Lachaise.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:38</time>
<p>Her grave is among the most visited.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:42</time>
<p>So for me to go there, it was something I hadn't thought of doing before.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:47</time>
<p>Courtney really dragged me there, And it was just fantastic</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:50</time>
<p>to be able to see all of them.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:51</time>
<p>And then I knew Olivia de Haville had recently died, and she</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:55</time>
<p>was going to be buried there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:26:56</time>
<p>So for me to walk around there and just see to see it and to experience</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:00</time>
<p>it with people and tourists.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:04</time>
<p>And you'll see in the video, this is cats.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:06</time>
<p>This is cats there.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
<time>00:27:08</time>
<p>Like it really is a part of the Paris lifestyle.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:12</time>
<p>I can see, I can absolutely see people who live in that area.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:16</time>
<p>just going there to go walk around.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:18</time>
<p>it's just beautiful.</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
<time>00:27:19</time>
<p>You can just get lost in it and just wander around and see all the</p>
<p></p>
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<p>different interesting graves and tombs and statues and all that stuff.</p>
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<p>And it's just beautiful.</p>
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<p>So if you're in Paris, France there's not only famous American</p>
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<p>graves there, there's also famous French, very, very famous French</p>
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<p>people that are buried there as well.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>Sure.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>I mean, you're going to see if there are people, a lot of historians</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>asked me, did you go see Proust?</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>Did you go see, Marcel Marceau?</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>And I'm like,</p>
<p></p>
<cite>Scott:</cite>
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<p>I think like Balzac, like he was a French writer.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>Chopin, Chopin is there there's just very, very famous people.</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>And it is the place if you want to know someone who influenced</p>
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<p>France or French writing or French painting or French media, they're</p>
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<cite>Jenn:</cite>
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<p>probably buried in Pierre Lachaise.</p>
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<cite>Scott:</cite>
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<p>yeah.</p>
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