Bob Hope - Married to two women at the same time?

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<p>wife and historian Jen uh on this</p>
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<p>today Jen we are talking about Bob Hope</p>
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<p>yes best known for as like the Larger</p>
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<p>than Life TV radio personality best</p>
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<p>known probably for the 1950s and 60s but</p>
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<p>really he got his start in the 30s so</p>
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<p>um so why are we talking about Bob Hope</p>
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<p>today</p>
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<p>well</p>
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<p>first off I I wanted really understood</p>
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<p>that I I love Bob Hope especially what</p>
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<p>he did with the Uso and I just always</p>
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<p>thought he was so</p>
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<p>personable and funny but we found</p>
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<p>ourselves living in Erie Pennsylvania</p>
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<p>for the last two years before we moved</p>
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<p>here to Virginia</p>
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<p>and one of the urban legends of Erie</p>
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<p>Pennsylvania is that Bob Hope was</p>
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<p>married in Erie PA</p>
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<p>and there was more to the story</p>
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<p>um</p>
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<p>that he also claimed to be married there</p>
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<p>a second time to his wife that he was</p>
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<p>with for 69 years</p>
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<p>and the story went that there was really</p>
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<p>no</p>
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<p>documentation to back up that second</p>
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<p>marriage</p>
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<p>so there's documentation for the first</p>
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<p>marriage as a marriage license it's on</p>
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<p>file at the Erie County Courthouse</p>
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<p>but there is no documentation of the</p>
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<p>second marriage even though they both</p>
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<p>always claim that they were married in</p>
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<p>Erie Pennsylvania as well so so how did</p>
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<p>you find out about that how did you hear</p>
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<p>about that I think I was just looking</p>
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<p>through you know when you moved to a new</p>
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<p>location you're searching Facebook and</p>
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<p>looking for local things to do in local</p>
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<p>stories and I think I there was a eerie</p>
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<p>like Memories page or an ear you know</p>
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<p>and they were talking about things that</p>
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<p>had changed in Erie or you know just</p>
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<p>bringing up old memories of Erie and</p>
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<p>someone had brought up that story and so</p>
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<p>I had read about it I just found it so</p>
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<p>interesting yeah so so why don't you if</p>
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<p>someone hasn't watched the video</p>
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<p>um why don't you talk a little bit about</p>
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<p>Bob Hope and and why especially for that</p>
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<p>era I mean he was just a massive Global</p>
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<p>figure yeah so Bob Hope</p>
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<p>he has a very much an American story so</p>
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<p>he's born in 1903 in England and his</p>
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<p>parents come over to America when he's</p>
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<p>four and they come through Ellis Island</p>
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<p>and they settle in Cleveland and he's</p>
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<p>one of seven boys</p>
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<p>and he's born Leslie T hope that's his</p>
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<p>name when he's born and</p>
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<p>I think to entertain his brothers</p>
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<p>probably get a word in edgewise he turns</p>
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<p>to dancing and singing and he gets his</p>
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<p>start in Vaudeville which most young</p>
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<p>actors in the 30s are going to start in</p>
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<p>Vaudeville and that's where you do</p>
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<p>it's a variety show of singing and</p>
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<p>dancing and little monologues on a stage</p>
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<p>kind of like a traveling show kind of</p>
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<p>like a circus Traveling Show without all</p>
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<p>the animals and Oddities right and</p>
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<p>that's how he kind of gets to start and</p>
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<p>if you</p>
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<p>think about geography Cleveland is only</p>
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<p>an hour and a half away from Erie it's</p>
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<p>to the West also on Lake Erie and then</p>
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<p>Buffalo is an hour and a half to the</p>
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<p>east of Erie so Erie always is on a</p>
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<p>circuit because it's so close to these</p>
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<p>major cities and back in that day it was</p>
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<p>on the circuit yes and and it is even</p>
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<p>today when even when tours</p>
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<p>um sure they come up from Pittsburgh</p>
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<p>Cleveland or Buffalo or something like</p>
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<p>that it's just easy to hit that town</p>
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<p>and so he had performed an area a couple</p>
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<p>times and</p>
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<p>and so then in the 19 actually in the</p>
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<p>1930s 1933 he has a Vaudeville partner</p>
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<p>named Grace who he marries</p>
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<p>at the Erie County courthouse and that's</p>
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<p>the one that they have the paperwork for</p>
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<p>they have the record of the paperwork</p>
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<p>for was January 25th</p>
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<p>1933 and they have the marriage license</p>
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<p>he uses his name Leslie</p>
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<p>and um and I think he he claims to be</p>
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<p>not Vaudeville I think she's a secretary</p>
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<p>and he's something else on the marriage</p>
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<p>license but it's filed and and they get</p>
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<p>married and somehow you know it doesn't</p>
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<p>work out</p>
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<p>but his second wife Dolores Reed who is</p>
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<p>his wife that most people will know for</p>
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<p>69 years and he will adopt four children</p>
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<p>with they both claim that they're</p>
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<p>married February 19 1934 so a little</p>
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<p>over a year later yeah so it sounds like</p>
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<p>that first year went really well for Bob</p>
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<p>Hope exactly so he must have met you</p>
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<p>know Dolores in that time they were in a</p>
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<p>play together called Roberta in 1934 I'm</p>
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<p>in they get married they claim to get</p>
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<p>married in February 1934 so</p>
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<p>January they meet so yeah him and Grace</p>
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<p>must not have hit it off very well I</p>
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<p>know in the divorce decree which is was</p>
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<p>is found by a historian</p>
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<p>filed in Cleveland</p>
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<p>DeForest isn't granted till November</p>
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<p>1934 which is after when he says he was</p>
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<p>married exactly he claims to have</p>
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<p>married Dolores February 1934 but the</p>
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<p>divorce isn't granted till November 1934</p>
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<p>and he claims gross neglect and</p>
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<p>um I think it's like a mean disposition</p>
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<p>or disagreeable disposition you know so</p>
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<p>who knows what that means exactly so I</p>
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<p>think that's what any man would put on</p>
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<p>divorce papers exactly yeah but him and</p>
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<p>Dolores always hold to the story that</p>
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<p>they were married in Erie</p>
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<p>February 19 1934 when really if you look</p>
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<p>at papers he was in New York on Broadway</p>
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<p>at that time now it's not saying you</p>
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<p>can't drive to Erie and get married you</p>
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<p>can</p>
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<p>but that's a good seven or eight hour</p>
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<p>drive by today's standards by today's</p>
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<p>standards and Erie seems to be so</p>
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<p>proud that they kept the original</p>
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<p>marriage license and kept the paperwork</p>
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<p>that they they say that they would have</p>
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<p>kept</p>
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<p>second paperwork if it actually would</p>
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<p>have been filed</p>
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<p>now</p>
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<p>that's not to Clay say that dolorison</p>
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<p>Bob were never really married because</p>
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<p>you will find celebrities sometimes use</p>
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<p>initials or they'll use</p>
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<p>different names pseudonym if they get</p>
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<p>married and maybe they had done that and</p>
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<p>maybe they had gotten married in another</p>
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<p>city in another place however they</p>
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<p>always claim February 19 1934 in Erie</p>
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<p>when he's still technically married to</p>
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<p>Grace still</p>
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<p>yeah now back then with information not</p>
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<p>traveling as quickly as it does today</p>
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<p>was that more common or was that still</p>
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<p>usually people back then would wait</p>
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<p>until divorce was final</p>
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<p>and then actually get married or was it</p>
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<p>just kind of like uh yeah follow the</p>
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<p>paperwork and you know she's mean so I'm</p>
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<p>gonna go somewhere else yeah I think</p>
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<p>it's a lot like that I think today DNA's</p>
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<p>technology is so fast</p>
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<p>and so</p>
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<p>documentation is so easy to check and to</p>
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<p>verify back then not so much and you</p>
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<p>could make up a story you could claim a</p>
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<p>story and you could stick by a story and</p>
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<p>who's going to actually verify it who's</p>
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<p>actually going to take the time to do</p>
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<p>that unless you're a big star like he</p>
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<p>was but I think they claim a small town</p>
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<p>like Erie because they can claim oh</p>
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<p>maybe they lost it or it wasn't filed</p>
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<p>correctly or something like that and</p>
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<p>since they knew Erie he'd already been</p>
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<p>married in Erie he could kind of talk</p>
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<p>about what the courthouse look like or</p>
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<p>sure you know give good verifying</p>
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<p>evidence did he perform in in Erie yes</p>
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<p>he did at the Warner Theater and I on</p>
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<p>the walk with history video we go there</p>
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<p>to the Warner Theater it's under</p>
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<p>construction in the video and because it</p>
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<p>was coveted at the time so they were</p>
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<p>taking the time to</p>
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<p>rehab it was a it's an older theater it</p>
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<p>was built by Warner Brothers</p>
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<p>um but yeah he had performed in Erie</p>
<p></p>
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<p>many times so saw a place he would know</p>
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<p>pretty well</p>
<p></p>
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<p>but</p>
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<p>no one's ever found any evidence of that</p>
<p></p>
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<p>second marriage and and I mean like I</p>
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<p>said Dolores and and Bob Hope were</p>
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<p>married for 69 years they had one of</p>
<p></p>
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<p>those marriages that people really look</p>
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<p>to</p>
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<p>as like a golden standard of Hollywood</p>
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<p>marriage now</p>
<p></p>
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<p>you will always hear stories of Bob</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Hope's philandering we don't I don't</p>
<p></p>
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<p>really talk about that but he was yeah</p>
<p></p>
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<p>there's a lot of that well he traveled</p>
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<p>quite a bit didn't he quite a bit Uso</p>
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<p>shows I think as we say it in the walk</p>
<p></p>
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<p>with history video but from 1941 to 1991</p>
<p></p>
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<p>he did 57 tours with the Uso oh my gosh</p>
<p></p>
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<p>so</p>
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<p>I think most every Leading Lady</p>
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<p>had some kind of affair with Bob Hope</p>
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<p>and they they openly admit to it and I</p>
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<p>think his wife Dolores was just</p>
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<p>accepting of it</p>
<p></p>
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<p>and I don't know if this story has</p>
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<p>anything to do with that because</p>
<p></p>
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<p>they're technically not married I mean</p>
<p></p>
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<p>common law depending on how long and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>what state you're in</p>
<p></p>
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<p>and what's interesting about that as</p>
<p></p>
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<p>well and I say this in the walk with</p>
<p></p>
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<p>history video</p>
<p></p>
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<p>is his first wife Grace</p>
<p></p>
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<p>he maintains a financial</p>
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<p>situation with her he takes care of her</p>
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<p>children by her second marriage and he</p>
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<p>pays for her funeral</p>
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<p>and even after he passes away Dolores</p>
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<p>still keeps up that Financial connection</p>
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<p>to Grace's children</p>
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<p>so</p>
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<p>I'm just</p>
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<p>telling you that truth I don't know what</p>
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<p>that Financial connection was all about</p>
<p></p>
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<p>but it seems like there's more</p>
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<p>there more there yeah now you mentioned</p>
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<p>connection now I actually have yeah the</p>
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<p>family connection uh in you know Six</p>
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<p>Degrees of Bob Hope</p>
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<p>um but so so once you talk about my</p>
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<p>family connection because you were</p>
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<p>actually more excited about my family</p>
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<p>connection and Bob Hope than I than I</p>
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<p>was when I found out about it so I I</p>
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<p>married a true Californian I married a a</p>
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<p>man with Hollywood history</p>
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<p>your great-grandfather Dwight Thompson</p>
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<p>was a prop master and I think he worked</p>
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<p>for Paramount and for Universal he did</p>
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<p>Ten Commandments he did The Greatest</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Show on Earth he did Some Like It Hot</p>
<p></p>
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<p>with Marilyn Monroe and Tony Curtis and</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Jack Lemmon</p>
<p></p>
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<p>he did rear window and in our home we</p>
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<p>have a picture a rear window the movie</p>
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<p>with Alfred Hitchcock and Jimmy Stewart</p>
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<p>I'm sitting here looking at it right now</p>
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<p>and he has placed the name cards under</p>
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<p>the windows so if you ever see the movie</p>
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<p>Jimmy Stewart and Grace Kelly kind of</p>
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<p>name every window they give him kind of</p>
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<p>like a cute name based on how they're</p>
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<p>acting or what they see and he actually</p>
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<p>has those name cards under the windows</p>
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<p>as he's setting curtains or</p>
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<p>props that you would see in the</p>
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<p>background like what's on the table or</p>
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<p>The Pianist on his the composer on his</p>
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<p>piano and things like that so we have a</p>
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<p>picture of him with Yul Brenner and Ten</p>
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<p>Commandments yep and we have a picture</p>
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<p>of him setting the basket in Moses yeah</p>
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<p>no and and just for for the audience</p>
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<p>right I was vaguely aware growing up</p>
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<p>right so in my youth I would drive from</p>
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<p>Central California down to Southern</p>
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<p>California to visit my grandparents and</p>
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<p>in the garage yes I always remember</p>
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<p>seeing so he used to work this set of</p>
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<p>Bonanza yes all of he did all of the</p>
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<p>episodes he did every single at the All</p>
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<p>Seasons all the episodes and all that</p>
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<p>stuff right so so that was his regular</p>
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<p>job and I always remember seeing in my</p>
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<p>childhood I would that's where we would</p>
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<p>go down and we would play Nintendo and</p>
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<p>then the adults would be in the other</p>
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<p>rooms like hoping that we didn't come</p>
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<p>bother them but I always remember seeing</p>
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<p>the the three main characters</p>
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<p>from Bonanza with their signatures to my</p>
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<p>great grandfather yes and it's just it's</p>
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<p>in my I can picture it right now but</p>
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<p>just above the light switch in my garage</p>
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<p>just down the stairs off to the right</p>
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<p>that's where the picture would just hang</p>
<p></p>
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<p>it might still be there I'm like Michael</p>
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<p>Landon yep</p>
<p></p>
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<p>um the Ponderosa right the ranch see we</p>
<p></p>
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<p>we don't even I our parents would know</p>
<p></p>
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<p>better than us yeah but um</p>
<p></p>
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<p>but so your connection is your</p>
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<p>grandmother so his daughter</p>
<p></p>
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<p>your grandmother has a picture with Bob</p>
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<p>Hope and it's it's signed to her and</p>
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<p>dedicated and it looks like a very</p>
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<p>familiar picture yeah she was she looks</p>
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<p>like she was probably 16. she's a</p>
<p></p>
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<p>teenager yeah and it looks like she's in</p>
<p></p>
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<p>a home with him or like it doesn't look</p>
<p></p>
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<p>like she's at some kind of signing thing</p>
<p></p>
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<p>it looks like she's like oh he probably</p>
<p></p>
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<p>brought her to work one day because he</p>
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<p>did a movie with him he did fancy pants</p>
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<p>with him and Lucille Ball it's on his</p>
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<p>IMDb page if you ever look up Dwight</p>
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<p>Thompson and</p>
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<p>maybe he had brought her</p>
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<p>that's your grandmother his daughter</p>
<p></p>
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<p>maybe he had brought her to the set one</p>
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<p>day or something like that yeah but</p>
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<p>that's how we have uh that family</p>
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<p>connection to Bob Hope yeah which which</p>
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<p>I have through marriage now yeah yeah so</p>
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<p>it's it's been really interesting and</p>
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<p>again for for those listening and for</p>
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<p>those who haven't seen the video</p>
<p></p>
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<p>um we talk a little bit about in my</p>
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<p>family connection but it's it's fun to</p>
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<p>talk a little bit more about it here</p>
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<p>because you really Dove more into</p>
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<p>my family ties with Bob Hope and the</p>
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<p>movie industry and I started finding out</p>
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<p>about my family history in the in</p>
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<p>Hollywood through you because you were</p>
<p></p>
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<p>asking my father and yes he had all</p>
<p></p>
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<p>these records and old things we've got</p>
<p></p>
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<p>movie scripts sitting in our house now</p>
<p></p>
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<p>yes we got the call sheets to um The</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Greatest Show on Earth with Charlton</p>
<p></p>
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<p>Heston and Jimmy Stewart</p>
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<p>CeCe DeMille movie which was um</p>
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<p>same thing as Ten Commandments and then</p>
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<p>we have a call sheet from Some Like It</p>
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<p>Hot with the Marilyn Monroe going to set</p>
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<p>at the hotel Dell yeah so it was</p>
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<p>interesting doing this video because it</p>
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<p>let us explore not just Bob Hope and his</p>
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<p>two supposed marriages and the</p>
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<p>interesting kind of secret there that</p>
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<p>not a lot of people know about but if</p>
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<p>you're from Erie yeah it's kind of a</p>
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<p>part of you know the in these small</p>
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<p>towns Erie is about a hundred thousand</p>
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<p>people yes and for for I would call it a</p>
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<p>smaller City in the greater United</p>
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<p>States</p>
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<p>someone a big character like that that's</p>
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<p>a that's a kind of a point of Pride</p>
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<p>there yeah it's a big deal I mean Bob</p>
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<p>Hope</p>
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<p>we were trying to think about who would</p>
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<p>be the equivalent to him today and we</p>
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<p>can't really think of someone because he</p>
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<p>was a larger than life figure he did</p>
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<p>like 54 feature films he did a ton of</p>
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<p>things with Bing Crosby he went he was</p>
<p></p>
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<p>one of those actors who transitioned</p>
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<p>from Radio to feature film and then he</p>
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<p>hosted the Academy Awards forever yeah</p>
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<p>so I was trying to think about it and at</p>
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<p>first I was like well maybe Jay Leno</p>
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<p>right The Tonight Show but he did Jay</p>
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<p>Leno didn't travel all over the world</p>
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<p>going to Uso show so I think if you</p>
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<p>combined like Billy Crystal Jay Leno and</p>
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<p>you know take someone from Radio</p>
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<p>put them all together yeah that was Bob</p>
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<p>Hope I mean Bob Hope was the larger than</p>
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<p>life host I mean he was the Hollywood</p>
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<p>host that's how I would describe him for</p>
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<p>the 50s it was a huge influence on the</p>
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<p>Uso he it's because of him that Marilyn</p>
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<p>Monroe went on the Uso tours and Ann</p>
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<p>Margaret like he was the the pull for</p>
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<p>all that I mean he was</p>
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<p>he was his comedic timing they say his</p>
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<p>comedic timing is one of the best in</p>
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<p>history although I I will say one thing</p>
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<p>when I was researching stuff for the the</p>
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<p>YouTube video and I encourage folks to</p>
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<p>go watch it if you're listening because</p>
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<p>it is very interesting and I find some</p>
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<p>old Uso clips and and the clips and the</p>
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<p>jokes that he tells overseas to these</p>
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<p>GIS overseas he would not be able to</p>
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<p>tell today they don't stand up in time</p>
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<p>no yeah I mean I would say probably 40</p>
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<p>of them don't he was pretty clean it's</p>
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<p>not like he was cursing like no it was</p>
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<p>just the cultural it was the more</p>
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<p>cultural references that like back then</p>
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<p>people didn't think about today he would</p>
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<p>get canceled totally get canceled he um</p>
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<p>he was self-deprecating of course he</p>
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<p>would definitely make fun of himself and</p>
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<p>his one-liners are great and so funny a</p>
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<p>lot like Billy Crystal right does</p>
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<p>um</p>
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<p>but yeah he definitely was a larger than</p>
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<p>life character and</p>
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<p>the marriage</p>
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<p>like the the marriage story is just a</p>
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<p>very very interesting story and that's</p>
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<p>why we kind of have the thumbnails kind</p>
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<p>of of him saying like shh be quiet</p>
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<p>because it's kind of like a secret yep</p>
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<p>that he never really married</p>
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<p>I mean there's no documentation that he</p>
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<p>ever really married Dolores</p>
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<p>and I don't know if I actually</p>
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<p>convey that very well in the video</p>
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<p>because it is one of our early videos</p>
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<p>yeah and I'm trying to say it but that</p>
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<p>that's the whole point is he a bigamist</p>
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<p>or did he lie</p>
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<p>about his</p>
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<p>um second marriage yeah well and this</p>
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<p>was our third video I think that we had</p>
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<p>done so right then if we transition over</p>
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<p>to talking about how we're filming and</p>
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<p>how we're trying to figure this out like</p>
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<p>we had literally this was our third one</p>
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<p>filming right you were still getting</p>
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<p>used to yes the handling the camera and</p>
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<p>talking to the camera and I was getting</p>
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<p>used to trying to how to tell these</p>
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<p>stories which is difficult to do when</p>
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<p>there's lots of information and you're</p>
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<p>trying to tell a story about a true per</p>
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<p>you know a real person true events and</p>
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<p>still keep it interesting yes</p>
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<p>um so that so that was difficult so you</p>
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<p>know it's one of our earlier videos I</p>
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<p>would say more recent videos If folks</p>
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<p>are interested they can go watch but um</p>
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<p>it was still just a very interesting</p>
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<p>because he is he is Americana he is</p>
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<p>embodied so um people know that profile</p>
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<p>absolutely it's yeah absolutely now</p>
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<p>there was uh</p>
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<p>I mean Bob Hope was kind of a jokester</p>
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<p>all the way</p>
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<p>basically until his deathbed oh yes</p>
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<p>so um do you remember what he said to</p>
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<p>his wife</p>
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<p>um when she asked him where where would</p>
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<p>you like to be buried do you remember</p>
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<p>what he said to her I don't he said</p>
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<p>surprise me he said surprise me so so if</p>
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<p>you think about that right here's Bob</p>
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<p>Hope you know knowing that he's probably</p>
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<p>gonna pass uh before too long and his</p>
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<p>wife says hey where do you want to be</p>
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<p>buried and he just says surprise me yeah</p>
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<p>um he dies at 100 in 2003 so it was a</p>
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<p>hundred it's a hundred oh my gosh well</p>
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<p>so</p>
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<p>again this this was a very interesting</p>
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<p>video and it was fun to make because not</p>
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<p>only do we live in Erie</p>
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<p>and that Erie had ties to Bob Hope and</p>
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<p>his first marriage and supposedly his</p>
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<p>divorce and second marriage which no one</p>
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<p>was able to ever confirm so that's what</p>
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<p>we point out in the video is hey was he</p>
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<p>technically married to two people at the</p>
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<p>same time</p>
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<p>um</p>
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<p>and then from there Not only was there</p>
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<p>that in here in Erie but then I go on to</p>
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<p>find out through you through my family</p>
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<p>that I have personal ties we have family</p>
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<p>ties now to Bob Hope through my family</p>
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<p>and my great grandfather who worked in</p>
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<p>the Hollywood Hollywood industry he was</p>
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<p>a prop Master for many old movies yes in</p>
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<p>the uh 60s 70s 50s all that stuff so</p>
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<p>um again thank you Jen for kind of</p>
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<p>taking us through an interesting fact</p>
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<p>that a lot of people don't know about</p>
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<p>Bob Hope who was a larger than life</p>
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<p>character for those who were listening I</p>
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<p>I we thank you for listening please feel</p>
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<p>free to share this podcast with your</p>
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<p>find this kind of these kinds of topics</p>
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<p>fun to listen to you can reach out to us</p>
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<p>on Twitter at talk with history and tell</p>
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<p>us where in the world you're tweeting</p>
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<p>from and I want to know if you guys know</p>
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<p>of any other interesting uh facts about</p>
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<p>Bob Hope for those listening if you on</p>
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<p>Twitter or you can just reach out to us</p>
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<p>through our website talk with</p>
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<p>history.com let us know if you know</p>
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<p>anything else interesting about Bob Hope</p>
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<p>absolutely are you rediscovering him now</p>
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<p>through us or did you know who he was</p>
<p></p>
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<p>yeah so thank you again and we will talk</p>
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<p>to you guys again soon thank you</p>
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<p>foreign</p>
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<p>[Applause]</p>
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<p>[Music]</p>
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