Civil War Book & Road Trip | Trumbull County Boys With Chris Mowery - Talk With History

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All right, so we are joined by Chris Mowery here on Talk With History, you

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guys as Jen, if you haven't watched our video yet and you're coming onto

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this podcast video a little bit later, um, Jen jokingly says in a video where

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she's recording with Chris at Shiloh.

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She jokingly introduces vlogging through history and she says, you probably

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know vlogging through history, you're probably just learning about us.

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So again, you probably know vlogging through history from his channel on

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YouTube and, and our kind of our history content creator circle that we are in.

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We're on, uh, each other's videos every once in a while.

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Very happy to have Chris.

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We had the opportunity to go out and meet Chris, Jen did out at Shiloh.

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So we live in Tennessee, the Memphis area.

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Chris is doing some kind of final wrap up research and, uh,

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a tour,

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a tour, uh, out at Shiloh, but also took the opportunity to, to

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go out there and show Jen where a couple of his ancestors are buried.

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So Chris, thank you so much for joining us here on Talk With History, our podcast.

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Um, so tell us a little bit about yourself.

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You don't have to talk too much about vlogging through history.

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Again, hopefully this is your audience watching, watching

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our video and our, our audience already who already knows you, but.

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Tell us about, a little bit about your channel, kind of what drove

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you to write this book that's possibly available right now.

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I know you have some more details on that, and then the, the trip out to Shiloh.

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Yeah, so, um, I, uh, majored in history in college, but ended up

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going into youth ministry instead.

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Um, I know you're a PK yourself, so Yeah,

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yeah, yeah,

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yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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My kids can relate to you having grown up in that.

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But, uh, I, uh, I didn't youth ministry for 14 years.

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Full time.

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And then I actually for the last 10 years have been a speaker for an organization

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called Rachel's Challenge, which uh, uh, was founded by one of the con victims.

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And we share Rachel's story.

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Uh, she was a person who was known for going out of her way to show

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kindness and compassion to people.

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And so we share her story as a way to encourage students to do that.

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And since I was kind of traveling.

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Like part of the year, but then only for about nine months every year I was

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looking for something else to do and I fell back to my history background and,

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uh, started making gaming videos, uh, on a channel called The History Guy.

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And I would talk about the history behind whatever game I was playing.

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And, you know, I was playing a game about Gettysburg.

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I talk about the Battle of Gettysburg, that kind of stuff.

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That morphed into doing a channel that was dedicated to like what you

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guys, you go to a historic site, talk about what happened there.

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At least that was the plan part of vlogging through history and

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right about the time I set up that channel, COVID happened,

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and so now I wasn't traveling and

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mm-hmm.

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You know, when you're speaking to large audiences in a confined space for a

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living, that's not happening during COVID.

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So someone suggested that I start.

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Doing reaction videos from my home to other people's history content while

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we waited for travel to open Olympics.

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So I did that and it became super popular and, you know, hit a hundred

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thousand subscribers in like three months and haven't looked back.

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Been doing it full time ever since.

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Uh, over time I started thinking about other things I could be doing

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that I was working for myself and the idea of a book up and I decided to.

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Fall back onto another thing that I, uh, am very comfortable

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with, which is family history.

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And so I decided to write a book initially about, uh, the 20th Ohio volunteers

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because that was a regiment that my, I had an ancestor in my fifth great grandfather

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and they were in all the major battles and we theater under Grant Sherman.

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And then as I started digging into the story, I realized there was

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so much there that I could really.

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Zero in on one single company.

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And so I wrote just about Sam's Company, Sam, my ancestor, Sam Hughes, uh,

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and, and wrote a whole 500 page book, just about one company of 130 guys.

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And that's how we got here.

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No, I, I love it.

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And that's one of the things you know, is just before we started the recording

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here, you know, Jen was telling you, Hey.

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Chris just heads up, Scott's not the history guy.

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Right?

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Um, so Jen's got her her graduate degree in, in history.

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But one of the things as I've been on this journey in diving deeper

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and deeper into, into history with, you know, folks like obviously with

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Jen and with folks like you, is.

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How much there is to learn about one unit, one company, one battle.

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I mean, they, there's whole channels and podcasts and industries just around

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Gettysburg, you know, and that's one of the things that I found so fascinating.

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So the fact that you wrote a 500 page book, you know,

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just on, on this, this unit.

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Yeah.

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I'm not surprised by what I've learned as I've kind of just been diving deeper

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down the, the history rabbit hole.

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Yeah, so interesting.

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Just to give you an example of what's out there when you start digging into

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a topic is, uh, when I looked, looked at the 20th Ohio, and you look at their

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regimental history, it has this one entry where it says that they did Garrison, duke

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Boulevard, Tennessee for a couple months.

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Right?

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So you guys know it's not too far from you.

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Yeah, and that's all it said.

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It just said they were Garrison.

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But as I dug into that.

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I found this incredible story about a day that a 6,000 man Confederate cavalry

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raid threatened the union supply lines at Bolivar and the 20th Ohio, along

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with elements of two other regiments.

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About a thousand guys went out.

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Fought for seven hours against 6,000 cavalry, six to one odds

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and And won and drove them off.

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Wow.

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And none of that was in the regimen history.

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It just said Garrison duty at Boulevard.

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But in that sentence, there was all these incredible stories about stuff

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that was going on during that little fights that nobody knows anything about.

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So that's one of the things that I'm able to do with this book is to expand

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on those sentences and turning them into entire chapters of the book, telling, like

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you said, stories and been tapped into.

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And that's so you could do this a thousand times over and still not

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scratch the surface of the civil War.

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Yeah.

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So Chris, when did you first hear about this ancestor of yours?

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Like was this like a childhood story you grew up with?

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No, actually.

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Nobody in my family knew about him.

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Um, it, it was one of those things where I was a senior in high school and I got

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introduced for family history by my best friend's dad and I started, and because

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the war was one of my main interests, one of the first things I did or try

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to find out how many of my ancestors fought in the Civil War, and I have

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this kind of absurd number compared.

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You know, I've researched the family histories of hundreds of people.

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Wow.

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And I've never found anyone who had as many Civil war direct ancestors as I do.

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I'm talking like great-great-great grandfathers right after 13.

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Yeah.

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Uh, that's

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a lot.

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Yeah.

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My ex-wife has one one.

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Oh, that's,

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I,

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that's a

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lot more normal.

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I think I have, I might have one.

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You probably have more.

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I may have.

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Oh my gosh.

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I may.

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But the thing is, and what people don't realize is that most of the

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men who fought in the Civil War.

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Didn't fight at Gettysburg, didn't fight at Gica, Maga, or mm-hmm.

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V or Vicksburg.

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They were, you know, in eastern Kentucky fighting against Confederate

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gorillas for the entire war, you know?

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Yeah.

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They were on Garrison duty at some port that never saw any action.

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Uh, yeah.

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So that's the, the story from o people.

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And so what drew me to Sam Hughes then was that he was one of those

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guys who was in all of those big battles in the Western theater.

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Um, he was at Shiloh.

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Vicksburg and Atlanta and, uh, Chattanooga and Ken Strong,

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and then the March to the Sea.

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So I think that was why I was on so much to his story, because he experienced a lot

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of what we learned about the Civil War.

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Yeah.

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He could be in a movie, make a movie outta him.

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Well, my friend jd, who I know you guys know from the history underground

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to keep wanting it to be turned into a TV series, but he hasn't

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read it yet, so he's gonna get his copy in a couple days in Gettysburg.

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Nice.

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I'm gonna bring you guys one too.

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Oh,

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thank you.

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Yes, yes.

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We're looking forward to seeing you.

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So tell me, Chris, like when we went to Shiloh, there was a group

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of the 20th Ohio buried at Shiloh.

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Is that the biggest group of the 20th Ohio in one location buried together?

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Yes, by far.

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Um, there are not, now that I've done the math, I think there are 40 guys from

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the 20th Ohio buried at that cemetery.

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Wow.

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And as near as I could tell, 39 of them died of disease.

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Yeah, one item, battle 39 of

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disease one.

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One was killed in the Battle of Shiloh.

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Uh, and, and over the course of the war, uh, the 20th Ohio

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had 360 deaths, which ranks it.

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One of the deadliest units in Ohio, Ohio had, um, per capita, more men serve

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in the Civil War than any other state.

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Uh, and the unit that had the most deaths had 365.

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There was one with 360 3 and then the 20th, Ohio was third out of 200 regiments

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with 360, 270 of those were from disease.

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Yeah.

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And that, that's the story of the Western Theater, though, especially.

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Yes.

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These units that were camped out at Shiloh for months, that that was a

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disease factory, that, that location, because you got the swamp there and, uh,

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it was just, it was miserable and, uh,

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miserable.

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Yeah.

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It ended up just killing more guys in that one place in the couple

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months they were there than did it.

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And more, more men will die from disease than battle in the Civil War anyway.

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Yeah.

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So it's just a good example of that,

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right?

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Yeah.

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And that, and that's kind of the standard two to one, three to one, uh mm-hmm.

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Disease deaths versus battle deaths.

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Company age, which is the company I wrote about, is this weird

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anomaly in that, in that Yes.

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Um, their battle deaths and their disease deaths are identical, which,

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yeah.

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And we talked about this on the video.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So,

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yeah.

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They, I did the math.

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They had 15% of the regiment's battle deaths.

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They had 5% of the regiment's, disease deaths.

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And I've got a lot of theories on that.

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One of which is that that company came from a different part of Ohio than all

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the other companies in the regiment.

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I don't know if there's something about bringing and their back.

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Sure.

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And that kind of, the other thing is that I know that a lot of those

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guys, when they got sick, that were sent home on furlough to recover.

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Mm. Instead of being kept in a military hospital.

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And I think maybe that helped too.

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I don't know if the other companies did that as much as the, as company H did.

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That's awesome.

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So 500 pages, what, there's always something that you're

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like, oh my gosh, this is amazing.

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So what was the thing that you like, oh my gosh, I have to tell this like this.

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Oh yeah, this makes the hair on my arm stand up.

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Like, tell me that.

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So when, when I first started researching the book, I found out

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pretty early that the primary.

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Behind the lines scout for the entire army of the Tennessee.

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The guy that Grant and Sherman used more than anybody was a guy

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in company age of the 20th Ohio.

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Oh.

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Name was Lorraine Ruges.

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And he wrote a book in 1865 about his experience.

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And it was, it had endorsements, uh, like, you know, letters of endorsement

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<time>00:11:17</time>
from Grant Sherman, Legett mc person.

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All these guys that in high command who basically said, if we had a tough job,

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Ruggles is the guy we asked to do it.

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Holy

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cow.

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Um, and he wrote all of these incredible, like, little stories that

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<time>00:11:31</time>
would've been impossible to tell about this company if I hadn't found it.

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Like, uh, he tells a story from Camp Chase or from, uh, camp King, which

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<time>00:11:39</time>
is where they were stationed up outta Kentucky in, uh, the winter of 61,

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62, about this woman who rides by, in a carriage, a civilian shouts out the

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window at them or offer Jeff Davis.

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And here they are defending Northern Kentucky and this woman's cheering

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for the Confederate president, so

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mm-hmm.

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Uh, Ruges tells the story about some unknown unidentified union soldiers

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who that night showed up at her house, stole all her chickens, and he heavily

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implies that it was him and a group of guys from company H that did it.

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But.

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He never admitted to.

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Yeah.

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He's like,

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I

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don't

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know.

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I heard through the

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grapevine that,

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that's awesome.

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Yeah, and he, and he tells the story about manning force, who was at the

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time, their lieutenant colonel who showed up the next day and this woman came to

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camp to complain, showed up and was like inspecting all their tents and looking for

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chicken bones and rug was basically said.

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The people, whoever did it, did a great job of hiding because

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there was no evidence whatsoever.

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And so little stories like that.

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And he tells a story about one time that he was behind enemy lines and

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he was trying to get his hands on a confederate colonel's uniform.

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And he found the body of a Confederate colonel.

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And when he lifted it up to try and take the, uh, the uniform off, he let out this

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when this air released, freaked him out.

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And he said that.

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Last time I tried to get a Confederate Colonel's uniform.

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Oh my gosh.

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Oh my gosh,

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that's so

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crazy.

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Like little things like that that just really add life to the story of company

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H that I wouldn't have been able to find and, and finding that book and I

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have it on my shelf, was just a treasure that really made all the difference.

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That is a treasure now.

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He's your, almost like your dick winters.

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Yeah.

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'cause you have so much about him.

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Um, where's he buried at?

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So

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Lorraine Ruges is buried in Michigan of all places.

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Really?

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Oh wow.

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Uh, there's a lot of these guys who ended up in the west.

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I mean, there's guys buried in like Nebraska and, uh, California and Oregon.

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Um, even my, in my own family.

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Uh, so my fifth great grandfather who unfortunately we don't know

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<time>00:13:44</time>
where he's buried, he's in an unknown grave here locally somewhere,

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died in 1868, right after the war.

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Uh, his son was the last living.

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Survivor of company H and he died in Oregon in 1935.

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So yeah,

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all that westward.

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He was the drummer expansion after the war.

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Yeah, he was a drummer.

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<time>00:14:01</time>
Very cool.

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Well, and and it's, that's so neat to hear you say that too, that you kind of found,

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you know, Ruges and kind of all, all these short stories that he wrote because

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we've had the opportunity to interview a few book authors, you know, over the

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<time>00:14:12</time>
course of the past couple years and.

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That's actually like a semi common trend behind books that make it to light.

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<time>00:14:20</time>
It's somebody who discovers this little treasure trove of information.

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That then you're like, oh my gosh, this is amazing.

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I need to, I need to help share these stories and this is gonna help

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<time>00:14:29</time>
me create the context around this other story that I had started with.

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And I discovered this other thing.

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I think it was the Jeep Show.

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Mm-hmm.

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One in, uh, there was some enlisted kind of entertainment specialist

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that was traveling with Mickey Rooney back in the day, during World War ii.

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And he had written down a bunch of his experiences and all that stuff.

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And that was one of the, one of the.

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A book that he put together that he gave to his family, that his daughter

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published, and then this guy found it and he wrote a book about it.

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And so similar thing that you're doing with starting off with this story of,

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you know, this unit out of Ohio, and then you discover, you know, hey, they

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<time>00:15:03</time>
were just on guard duty over here.

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Nope.

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There was a whole lot more, you know, behind that for, for their garrison duty.

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Oh, and by the way, here's this scout that everybody.

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Relied on and oh, I discovered, you know, all this stuff that he's writing.

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And so that to me, that's a, that's a hallmark for those listening or

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<time>00:15:20</time>
watching of what's bound to be a good book because there's, that's

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<time>00:15:24</time>
primary source material right there.

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<time>00:15:26</time>
Yeah.

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Like life is so often stranger than fiction and more exciting.

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And that's a, that's a good note, right?

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I mean that's, to me, that's, that's gonna be, I think something that

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<time>00:15:36</time>
really brings your book to life.

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Yeah.

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<time>00:15:39</time>
And that's.

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Primary source material is what really is the bulk of this book.

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Uh, one of the other things Edward down to was the captain who commanded

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the company for a good bit of the war.

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Wrote letters home to the local newspaper all the time, and I've got

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<time>00:15:56</time>
all of those letters from the newspaper.

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<time>00:15:57</time>
Other guys, enlisted men, wrote letters home to the newspaper.

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<time>00:16:01</time>
I ended up finding letters that are in existence.

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<time>00:16:05</time>
Like that are owned by family members that I was able to track down

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<time>00:16:08</time>
and, and get just little details.

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<time>00:16:10</time>
Like there was a guy, Franklin Rickard, who wrote a letter on New

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<time>00:16:15</time>
Year's Day 1862 home, giving all the details about what they were eating

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<time>00:16:20</time>
in camp and what the experience was like, and he died three months later.

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<time>00:16:24</time>
He wrote that letter and so,

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<time>00:16:26</time>
wow.

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One of the things that I tried to do is, you know, we all love Band of Brothers.

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<time>00:16:31</time>
I think what attracted people to Band of Brothers was that element of.

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It's not telling the story of the whole war from the top down, talking about

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<time>00:16:39</time>
generals and divisions moving on a map.

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It's a single company of guys that we followed from the time they started

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<time>00:16:45</time>
training through the end of the war.

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And we were even interested in learning what they did after the war because

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<time>00:16:51</time>
we got connected to these guys and we wanted to know their stories.

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When one of 'em died, we felt it.

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<time>00:16:56</time>
Yeah.

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<time>00:16:56</time>
And that's what I wanted with this story.

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<time>00:16:58</time>
And so for example, in the chapter about their training in campaign.

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<time>00:17:02</time>
Franklin Rickard is very heavily involved because of that letter that

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<time>00:17:05</time>
he wrote and I'm introducing them.

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And then the next chapter, boom.

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<time>00:17:07</time>
Oh by the way, he died, uh, at Shiloh.

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<time>00:17:10</time>
Uh, you know, he was one of those guys who died of illness, uh, in

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<time>00:17:13</time>
late March at Pittsburgh Landing.

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Uh, and so right away it's like that gut punch of uh, uh, getting connected

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<time>00:17:18</time>
to this guy and reading this letter he wrote to his parents, and oh, he

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<time>00:17:22</time>
died before he ever fired a shot.

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<time>00:17:25</time>
Oh, man.

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Um, and one of the other people who I relied on walk was a guy

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named Henry Dwight, who was.

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He was born in Constantinople, Turkey.

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<time>00:17:34</time>
Oh, wow.

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His parents were missionaries.

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They were New England missionaries, and he came home in 1860,

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had never been in the us.

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Grew up in Turkey, comes to Ohio in 1860 to attend Ohio Wesleyan University to

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get a a degree, and the war breaks out.

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And he enlists in the 20th Ohio.

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He is a sergeant within a month.

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And within a couple months after that, it's right around the time of

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Fort Donaldson, he gets a Battlefield Commission to Second Lieutenant and he's

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transferred in company H And not only did he keep a journal during the entire

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war, but he also did hundreds of sketches and had photographs in his journal.

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<time>00:18:13</time>
Oh wow.

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And so, for example, I'll just show you one of them right here.

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Yeah.

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Um, this is a sketch.

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I don't know how clear it's gonna get.

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Lemme try to zoom in and then, um, it's kind of hard to see, but Yeah.

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Um.

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There you go.

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Uh,

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<time>00:18:27</time>
gotta buy the book.

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So this is a sketch that he made of the confederate bodies piled

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up in front of their earthworks after the Battle of Atlanta.

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Oh my gosh.

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And, um, I'll give you another one here from, or Donaldson, their first experience

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with the war comes when they are called into the field for the Battle of Fort

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Donaldson, and they're coming down on the.

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By the way, here's Lorraine Les.

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We talked earlier.

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Oh, cool.

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Oh, cool.

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Try to Yeah.

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Give you a little view of him.

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I know.

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There we go.

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There we go.

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Yep.

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Oh, that's

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<time>00:19:06</time>
awesome.

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Um,

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definitely an actor could play him.

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He's got a Christian,

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they're coming down on these Steamboats, uh, down the river, uh,

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<time>00:19:12</time>
the river or up the river toward where Donaldson, they hear the gunfire,

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but they don't see anything, and then they come around the corner.

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Around the bend in the river and they see the gunboats firing on Fort Donaldson and,

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<time>00:19:22</time>
and Dwight do a scratch of that moment.

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<time>00:19:25</time>
Oh my gosh.

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<time>00:19:26</time>
Yeah.

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<time>00:19:26</time>
So these, these little things like that that, you know, you can

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<time>00:19:30</time>
try and imagine in your mind what they saw, or I can just show you.

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<time>00:19:33</time>
Here's a guy in the company who drew what they saw, and it just brings

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<time>00:19:37</time>
it to life in a really cool way.

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<time>00:19:38</time>
I think.

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<time>00:19:39</time>
Oh, Chris, you got such great.

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<time>00:19:42</time>
Sources.

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<time>00:19:43</time>
I,

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I, I really looked out, not, like I said, when I started I was gonna

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<time>00:19:46</time>
write on the whole regiment and then I found all that stuff and I was like,

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<time>00:19:49</time>
no, I can do this on one company.

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<time>00:19:51</time>
Yeah.

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<time>00:19:51</time>
I've got two guys who have journals, one of 'em writing all kinds of sketches.

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<time>00:19:55</time>
I've got like 10, 10 or 12 guys who wrote letters that we have copies of.

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<time>00:20:01</time>
Uh, and, and even guys in other companies who wrote letters that I

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<time>00:20:05</time>
was occasionally able to lean into.

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Two weeks before I sent the book off for publishing, I found a letter from a

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guy in another company that completely changed a whole chapter of the book.

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Oh, wow.

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Um, because he was writing about, because I knew that their Lieutenant Colonel Major

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had both resigned around the same time.

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And I thought it was weird that the lieutenant Colonel, as soon

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as he finally got command of the company just up and resigned.

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Yeah.

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And the records don't say anything about why he resigned.

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And then I found this letter from a guy in another company.

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Who described how this lieutenant colonel was perpetually drunk and that even one

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time they showed out that you like a dress parade in front of everybody, and

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he couldn't even lift his sword straight because he was so drunk on the field.

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Oh my gosh.

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He was quietly encouraged to resign before he led the men in combat and that, that I

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had no idea about the alcoholic connection with that particular lieutenant colonel.

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And I found that letter two weeks before I published the, uh, the book.

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So who knows what I'll find that I wish was in there.

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Yeah.

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Well, and, and it's one of those things you kind of always, you

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know, you're, you're never complete.

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You're just kind of done.

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Right.

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You kind of, eventually you just have to send it off.

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And that's so amazing because one of the things that I always like to ask

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folks when we talk to book authors is, is there anything that you kind

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of started off believing that as you did your research that you were then?

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Oh, I was like, oh, I was proven wrong and.

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For good, for better or for worse.

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Right.

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You started off with, I think this is what happened, and then as you did

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your research again kind of akin to, to what you were just talking about.

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You were, you were proven, you were proven wrong.

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I was like, I just, I didn't know that.

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Was there anything else like that as you went through this book?

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There was one thing that really shocked me, and this is really kind of a macro

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view of the Civil War, that when I took that micro view of a single company that

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I understood a lot better, which was that.

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You know, just how much, when you look at the muster rolls for a regimen

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and you see, for example, okay, they've got 70 guys in the company.

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That doesn't mean that there were 70 of 'em fighting when they went

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into battle at any given time.

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Out of those 70 guys in the company, maybe half of 'em were available for

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action in battle because there were guys that were on duty as crooks and wagoners.

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Detached on guard duty for a while, or, you know, things like that.

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When, when company H went into the expert campaign, their

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captain wasn't even with them.

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They went into one of their deadliest battles, the Battle of

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Raymond, without their captain.

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'cause their captain was left back at Milliken's Bend in Louisiana,

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guarding the supplies for the division.

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He was in command of the guards program.

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And when you look at the roster of the company, it shows that he was on there.

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And so I just assumed he was at the Battle of Raymond, for example.

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But then I Oh wow.

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Dig into his military roles at the National Archives and I find out, no,

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he was on detached service and you know, so I tried to reflect that as

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much as I could and get an accurate feel for where these guys were.

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So, the one guy who was the company Wagoner, I do a whole section, uh, in

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one of the chapters just talking about.

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What his job would've been as a wagoner, what that would've entailed.

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And, and specifically, there's this battle, it's part of IOA

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in northern Mississippi there.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yep.

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Um.

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When the Confederates briefly take I uca, and then they're marching away,

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the union tried to inter step the Confederate army and cut them off and

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try to surround them and destroyed them.

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And so they moved these guys rapidly into position and they're fighting this

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battle and they're running outta ammo.

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And so they send a message back that they need ammunition to keep this battle going.

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And so the 20th Ohio is the unit that is deployed to deliver the ammunition

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front, and they're 28 miles away.

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Oh my

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gosh.

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And they cover 28 miles in six hours with the ammunition for an entire army.

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And so I, I look a marathon at that story.

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Through the lens of Colgate Busty, who was the company Wagoner?

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'cause he would've been the guy driving the wagon that's bringing all this

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ammunition and how difficult that was because they were covering 28 miles

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in six hours, when normally you would cover about half that distance and

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six hours with a loaded way because of all the things that can go wrong.

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Just talked about him taking care of the animals and all the things and the

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ways in which his life would've been different than average guy on the line.

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So I tried to give a very complete picture.

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Of what a Civil War company goes through, just the private fighting on the.

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That's amazing.

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I mean, that's almost like a marathon because

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it's Yeah, it's totally a marathon.

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I mean, obviously they'd do it in two hours, but Yeah,

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yeah, yeah.

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Well, I mean, I can't run it.

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I ran my marathon in like five, so they're like, which is great.

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I mean,

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that's cool.

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Am music.

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Yeah.

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I was like, wow.

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An hour more.

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And they went, uh, two more miles than me and they had ammunition.

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Wow.

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Jen, you're really outta shape and

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wearing wool uniforms.

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Yeah.

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In the south.

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Exactly.

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Wool carrying all their stuff.

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Oh my gosh.

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Well, I hear you say you went to the National Archives.

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I hear you say, you know, you're, you're writing families and you're

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getting newspaper, uh, you know, newspaper copies and letter copies.

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How long did all of this research take and where's the farthest place

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you went to, to gather information?

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So I spent three years doing the research.

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Um, wow.

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I, I am a researcher by nature.

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I, you know, I've been doing genealogy research professionally

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for almost 30 years.

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So I, I leaned very heavily on online resources for a long time.

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There's a lot of stuff that's digital.

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One of the things that's frustratingly not digitized for Ohio, that is for most

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of the country are the military records.

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Um, so you have what are called the compiled military service records,

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the C CSRs, which are these, um, try to show you a picture they look like,

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um, but they're like the muster rolls.

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They're the enlistment forms there.

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Any, like if a guy had a leave pass copy of the leave path in his

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military record, that kind of stuff.

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I was holding in my hands.

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For example, a leave pass that had been passed up to chain of command.

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And so it was signed by General mc first and General Legget in

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General Force, you know, the company commander and the regimental

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commander all on one piece of paper.

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Um.

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Almost all of those military records are digitized and on a website

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called fold three.com, except for Ohio, New York, and Pennsylvania.

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Oh geez.

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Sent the most, uh, to the Union Army.

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So you have to go to national to get 'em.

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Um, and in this case you're talking about.

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They'll bring out the Hulk part with the entire 20th Ohio.

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And so I've got military service files for 1500 guys.

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Wow.

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And then I gotta dig through for the 130 that were in company

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h uh, throughout the war.

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And then each one of those is gonna have 25 or 30 pages in

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it with all of the records.

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And so, um, here we go.

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So here's the cart that had,

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oh my gosh.

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All of the, uh, my gosh, that's the entire 20th Ohio.

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And so for, for our listeners who are listening to this podcast, so he just

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showed us basically what you would see, like a library cart, like, like a library

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cart with just big boxes of files.

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And then this is, so this is the envelope that has Dan Hughes military

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and, and inside of that are like 25 cards with all the information.

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And it tells me if he was.

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And the hospital's sick at some point.

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It tells me when his promotion was, tells me how tall he was and what

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he did for a living before the war, and what eye color and hair color

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and all these physical descriptions.

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And I, I work a lot of that into the book too.

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You know, when a guy's six feet tall and he's one of the

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tallest guys on the regiment, I try to describe that, you know.

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Yeah, when a guy is a blacksmith by trade and he gets detached to work

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at company headquarters, I know he is probably working on the horses and

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things like that, you know, so just those little details that you can only

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find by going to the national archives and sitting in a room for eight or

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10 hours just flipping through pages.

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Yeah, so let, talk to me about that.

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So you, first of all, you have to send a request in, right?

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So they know what you're coming in for.

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So you can request those.

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To be sent to you, but it's like $80 for a single one and it takes several months.

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Yes,

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yes.

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Uh, so I can go to Washington, you know, four and a half hour drive, and I

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can walk in and I can fill out a form.

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So for those records, it's one form.

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I fill it out and they bring me the cart.

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With the entire 20th Ohio, you can request an entire regimen at once.

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Okay.

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For the pension files, which can often be a hundred pages or more.

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And I got into some of those.

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Um, those, you have to fill out individual forms and you can

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only get about 20 of them a day.

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Um, and, and you could spend all day going through 'em.

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I mean, I, I, you know, in single day I got through half of company H'S military

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files and to go through all their pensions would take me probably a week.

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Oh my God.

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But there's so much there, you know, there's little details.

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Amos Wright, who was a private, is describing.

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The night, uh, they spent between the two days of the Battle of Shiloh on

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the side of a hill, uh, in sight of the enemy, so we couldn't have fires.

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And he's talking about how there was sleet falling down.

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And he says, alls I have was this rubber blanket to lay on

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the ground and try to sleep.

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And none of us got any.

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And that was in his pension file.

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And he was talking about how stick he got from his service and he

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talked about this 18-year-old named Theodore Nurnberger was a German kid.

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From northeast Ohio, who from on the march to Shiloh, got rheumatism.

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And he said his feet gave out and he could never walk after that

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and he ended up being discharged.

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Uh, so those little details are in pension files?

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<time>00:29:28</time>
Yes.

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So you have to re So basically you have to research all of that.

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Yeah.

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You have to take all that time.

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That means you gotta stay there.

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For all those hours, get a hotel.

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Like, it's a lot.

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It's a, I I know when you research it's a lot.

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It's a, it's an experience.

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<time>00:29:42</time>
It's almost like you rode your, yeah.

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And, and you asked about distance wise.

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I mean, I, I tried to go to as many of the battlefields where they fought as I could

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<time>00:29:49</time>
because as you know, you understanding the place changes when you visit that place.

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Yes.

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Uh, great example for listeners that I always use with people

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is, um, if you go to Deley Plaza where President Kennedy was shot.

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I dunno if you've ever been,

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we haven't done it yet.

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Yeah,

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we still

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need to go

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in

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Dallas.

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We haven't done, well completely change your perspective on that event.

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When you go there, it's so small and the distance between like the school book

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depository window and where Kennedy was hit is so much closer than I realized.

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It was the distance from where Zapruder was standing when he filmed

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and where Kennedy was standing.

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Was so close.

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It was like 50 feet.

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It was so close.

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Yeah.

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Oh my gosh.

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You know, seeing the videos and watching it, you don't get that perspective.

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And then standing there, you understand it going to Shiloh.

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Mm-hmm.

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And seeing how broken the terrain is and seeing how uphill the

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confederates were attacking helps you understand that battle a lot better.

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Yeah.

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You know, just, I had to try and see those places as many as I could anyway.

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So what's the furthest one you went to?

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The furthest place I went that the 20th went was South Carolina,

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Charleston, South Carolina.

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And that was, that's another area that people don't talk about.

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'cause there weren't really any big battle fought during what they call

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the Carolinas campaign until they got into North Carolina and fought at

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Bentonville near the end of the war.

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But some of the most difficult days for the 20th Ohio was marching through the

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swamps of South Carolina in January.

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Oh wow.

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Where there are waste.

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Sometimes chest deep in water, holding their guns for hours,

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walking through these swamps and having to camp in those areas.

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And there's a description other place when, when they're in Louisiana, across

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the river from Vicksburg, where they're describing how they couldn't even eat

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their food because the bugs were so bad.

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That you opened your mouth and you flew in.

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Oh

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my gosh.

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So they would do these things where they would surround a campfire.

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They would sit around the campfire, and then they would surround behind them

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with cotton bales and they would light 'em on fire and try to use the smoke.

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The smoke, yeah.

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To protect them so they could open their mouths long enough to eat.

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Just little things like that.

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That's, that's wild.

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And, and one of the things that I thought was kind of neat that you talk about

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going to the location, kind of really understanding it that much more is when

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you and Jen went out to Shiloh, the park service was doing some controlled

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burns, and so there was, it was smokey, like it was smokey everywhere.

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And so I'm watching the footage.

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I didn't, I didn't have the opportunity to go.

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But I was watching the footage and Jen, I remember Jen coming home and

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she said, you know, it was smokey.

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They were doing all these controlled burns, and both of you

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guys commented like, we were both

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excited.

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I was like, that you guys were both excited because this is must have

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been what it looked like, right?

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Yeah.

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When they're firing these cannons and the smoke off in the air and all this stuff.

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And even just from me watching back some of the footage of, of you guys, you

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know, chatting and, and walking around some of the cemeteries, um, was, was

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really neat to, to see some of that.

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Yeah.

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It, uh, another one of those things you don't think about is that this is the

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era of before they had smokeless powder.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so couple thousand guys firing off a couple ies and pretty

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soon you can't see anything.

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Yep.

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And you can understand how quickly command and control can break down.

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You can understand how friendly fire incidents can become much common.

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You know, there's even description by some of the 20th Ohio guys

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after a long march, their uniforms looked gray just from all the dust.

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Sure.

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And then if you go into battle like that.

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You know, so stuff you don't think about.

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Yeah.

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Now one of the other things, so you guys, you on, on the video that where

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Jen and, and you were, were talking together, you went to where the 20th Ohio

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was, but you also went off to another area where you had, I believe another.

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Ancestor there.

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Was it, uh, the only part of the name that I can remember was

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Rob Robert Duval was last name.

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Oh

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Andrew Jackson Duval.

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Yeah.

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Andrew Jackson Duval.

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So can you tell us about him?

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So, Andrew Jackson Duval is from, uh, area right around Steubenville, Ohio.

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So it's about an hour south of me, but he was the, he was a brother

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to my third great grandfather and

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Okay.

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Um, he come from a military family.

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His father, Maureen Duval, uh, was.

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A colonel in the war of 1812, and he is a relative of Robert Duval.

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They, they have common ancestry.

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That's so cool.

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Um, but Andrew Jackson Duval is a really tough looking dude who, um, I'll try

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<time>00:34:04</time>
to pull up the picture for you, at least for the people that we want here.

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<time>00:34:07</time>
Uh, who was in the 77 Ohio and was killed, uh, on April 8th, 1862.

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So this would've been what they call the.

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The Battle of Fallen Timbers, which was this little skirmish with Nathan

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Bedford Forest right after, yeah.

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The Battle of Shiloh, the 77th Ohio was involved in.

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And here's him.

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He's a, I just think he's kind of a tough looking dude.

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Yeah.

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He, he looks like he could, uh, he could do some damage.

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Yeah.

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He was a sergeant and I did his pension file years ago, and when I

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got into his pension file and I opened up, there was a letter he wrote to

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his parents in the pension file.

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And I thought, why on earth their son was killed early in the war?

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Why would they give up this letter?

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And the reason why is because a lot of these guys were sending their money home

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to their families, to their parents,

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to support

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them.

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And in order to get a, for your child who was killed, you had to prove that

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they were financially supporting you.

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Gotcha.

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And so they sent this letter into the government because he wrote in there, here

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I'm put the money to help you guys out.

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<time>00:35:13</time>
And so they had to prove that.

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<time>00:35:14</time>
So there was this letter written a week before he was killed.

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<time>00:35:18</time>
Wow.

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<time>00:35:18</time>
That I'm holding in my hand.

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<time>00:35:19</time>
And it was like, it was brand new because it had been in this folder for 160 years.

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<time>00:35:23</time>
It was amazing.

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<time>00:35:23</time>
God, that's

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<time>00:35:23</time>
amazing.

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That's that's so, that's so cool.

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I mean, that's amazing.

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Like, that's just amazing.

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<time>00:35:27</time>
The sources are there, right?

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<time>00:35:29</time>
They're there for you.

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<time>00:35:30</time>
You just have to go find, find him.

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<time>00:35:31</time>
That's so much out

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<time>00:35:31</time>
there.

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Yeah.

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Like I always say like, people, you know, we're history content creators and, and

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<time>00:35:36</time>
people are always more content creators are coming and they always ask me, well.

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<time>00:35:40</time>
I feel like it's saturated.

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<time>00:35:41</time>
I'm like, yeah, but there's still a lot of history that needs to be seen and done.

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There's so much.

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<time>00:35:45</time>
So you're fine.

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<time>00:35:46</time>
Don't worry.

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<time>00:35:47</time>
Right, right.

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So, um,

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and I think that's one of the things, and you, you guys know this too, is

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<time>00:35:52</time>
you try to find the angle that hasn't

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<time>00:35:55</time>
mm-hmm.

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<time>00:35:56</time>
Been given or you know, the lens through which to view.

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Because even at the big events that everybody talks about, there are still

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<time>00:36:01</time>
unique ways to tell those stories.

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<time>00:36:04</time>
Oh yeah.

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You know, so I'm telling the story of Vicksburg, which lots of people

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<time>00:36:07</time>
have written books about Vicksburg, but I'm looking at Vicksburg

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through the lens of one company.

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<time>00:36:12</time>
And their experience was different than other companies.

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<time>00:36:15</time>
Uh, you know, they were on the, they were right in the center of the line,

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<time>00:36:19</time>
and I was all excited to tell the story of them witnessing the surrender,

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because the surrender happened right in front of their position.

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<time>00:36:26</time>
If you go to the spot where the 20th Ohio was positioned at Vicksburg.

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<time>00:36:31</time>
You can see the, the marker for the surrender site.

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<time>00:36:33</time>
Yeah.

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<time>00:36:34</time>
But they weren't there anymore researching the book.

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<time>00:36:37</time>
I found out that two weeks before the surrender, there was a rumor that

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<time>00:36:41</time>
Joe Johnston was back in Jackson, Mississippi gathering an army.

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<time>00:36:45</time>
Mm-hmm.

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<time>00:36:45</time>
And so they put together this group called the Army of Observation to

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<time>00:36:49</time>
go keep an eye on Johnston so they didn't attack them from the rear.

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<time>00:36:52</time>
And the 20th Ohio was, was the only regimen in there.

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<time>00:36:55</time>
Division that was pulled out of the line to go be a part

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<time>00:36:58</time>
of this army of observation.

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<time>00:36:59</time>
Oh gosh.

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<time>00:36:59</time>
So they didn't even get to see the surrender.

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<time>00:37:01</time>
Oh.

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<time>00:37:01</time>
Oh man.

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<time>00:37:01</time>
So, you know, before I wrote the book, I didn't know that.

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<time>00:37:04</time>
I just went there.

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<time>00:37:04</time>
I saw the marker for where they were stationed and assumed they saw

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<time>00:37:07</time>
the whole thing and they didn't.

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<time>00:37:08</time>
Yeah.

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<time>00:37:09</time>
And everybody's experience was different.

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<time>00:37:11</time>
That's so cool though.

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<time>00:37:12</time>
So, so tell me, what's the title of the book?

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<time>00:37:14</time>
How can we Get It?

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<time>00:37:16</time>
I wanna know all about this.

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<time>00:37:17</time>
I, I can't wait

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<time>00:37:17</time>
to hear it.

<cite>Speaker:</cite>
<time>00:37:17</time>
Yeah, so it's, uh, Trumbull County Boys and I'll, I'll show a picture here.

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<time>00:37:20</time>
This is my, um.

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<time>00:37:22</time>
My art, my like author's copy.

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<time>00:37:24</time>
And so like yeah.

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<time>00:37:25</time>
You know, there's a line in the middle of it says Be not, which won't be there in

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<time>00:37:28</time>
your copy

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<time>00:37:28</time>
can buy

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<time>00:37:29</time>
it.

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<time>00:37:29</time>
Yeah.

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<time>00:37:29</time>
In this, this picture for those who are watching, uh, the video, um, is actually

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<time>00:37:34</time>
a picture of four sergeants from the company in Company A. It was taken in

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<time>00:37:37</time>
Memphis, ah, in uh, January of 1863.

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<time>00:37:42</time>
Uh, and uh, this guy here, uh, this is William Downs, who was the first

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<time>00:37:46</time>
sergeant, ended up in Andersonville.

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<time>00:37:49</time>
Nine months.

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<time>00:37:49</time>
Oh my gosh.

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<time>00:37:49</time>
The war was captured in Atlanta.

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<time>00:37:52</time>
Um, and then this guy up here, uh, this is Zer Kraken book who has an amazing

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<time>00:37:58</time>
name, and he was actually Mortally wounded at the Battle of Atlanta.

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<time>00:38:02</time>
Um, so yeah, him and his, his nephew both were, um, sergeants in the company.

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<time>00:38:07</time>
They were the same age, but I called, called Trump County Boys because, um.

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<time>00:38:12</time>
The re the company was raised in Trumbull County, which is,

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<time>00:38:14</time>
I grew up in Trumbull County.

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<time>00:38:16</time>
Um, and Edward Downs, the company commander who wrote a lot of

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<time>00:38:21</time>
these letters home, often refer to them as the Trumble County Boys.

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<time>00:38:25</time>
It was what he called them.

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<time>00:38:27</time>
And so I just thought it was the perfect name for, uh, for it, even though they

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<time>00:38:30</time>
didn't all county, most of them did.

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<time>00:38:33</time>
That's how they got referred to in letters.

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<time>00:38:35</time>
Um, it trumbull county boys.com is the website.

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<time>00:38:40</time>
You can actually get an autographed copy of the book,

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<time>00:38:42</time>
hardcover copy of the book there.

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<time>00:38:43</time>
Now, um, it also has a sample chapter of the book you can read.

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<time>00:38:49</time>
It has a breakdown of every chapter of what you'll be reading

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about in each chapter, so you can see what the whole story is.

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Uh, and then I've got photos as many of the guys as I found

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photos for from the company.

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So you can kind of learn, you know, get this their faces and learn

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who these guys were a little bit.

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Um, it's also gonna be available on Amazon.

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Uh, the release date is April 6th.

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So by the time people watch this, there is a chance that

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it's available on Amazon already.

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Um, uh, both hardcover and uh, paperback.

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But if you wanna get that signed copy, you can do that now on trumble account

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voice.com or just watch for on Amazon.

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Very cool.

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And of course, vlogging through history.

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You can still see you on YouTube and, uh, we will have a

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collaboration video coming out soon.

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Yes.

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So people will learn about me.

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No, I'm joking.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I obviously.

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I want as many people as possible to, to follow you guys.

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And one of the things I just love, uh, Jen in particular for you, is

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that I, I say this all the time.

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We need more women doing history.

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Thank

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you.

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Uh, we don't have nearly enough women.

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You know, my channel, I look at the demographics, my channel's

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92% male, the audience.

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Uh, so we need women telling these stories from a woman's perspective.

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And of course, you guys both have the military perspective as well.

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Yeah.

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Which gives you a unique lens through which.

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To view all of this and, uh, I just, I think it's needed and, and I love what you

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guys do and I love watching your channel and I love that we're gonna get to hang

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out, uh, all of us, uh, the three of us plus some other friends in Gettysburg.

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Yeah, I'm super excited.

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Thank you, Chris.

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I mean, that's one of the things I love about being a history content creator.

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We've all helped each other.

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Because I think historians like the, again, the authenticity of your book,

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the authenticity of real people's lives being there, what they went through, what

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they ate, what they saw, what they drew.

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We understand even telling these stories, the authenticity of it.

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And so I think we see like kindred spirits in each other.

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And so, um.

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Yeah, working together is always a treat, and I was very excited to be

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able to meet you and to tell this story, and I'm looking forward to the book

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and then seeing you next weekend too.

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Yeah.

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Well, for our listeners and our watchers, um, again, thanks

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for, for hanging with us.

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If you guys wanna find the book, remember it's called Trumble County

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[email protected], where you can look it up on Amazon.

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I encourage you guys to go check it out because again, as the

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non-story nerd, uh, in this part, in the part of this conversation.

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One of the things I enjoy is learning about those stories and those amazing

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stories and uncovering this stranger than fiction real life stories,

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these just amazing things that, that, uh, the researchers and the

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historians in the room, which is not me, but that you guys uncover.

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And so I sounds to me like there's gonna be plenty of those in this book.

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So that's Trumble County Boys.

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Head over to trumbull county boys.com and uh, I'll include

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links in our show notes and we'll, we'll talk to you guys next time.

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Thank you.

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Thank

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you.

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Awesome.

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Thank you.

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